Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: allwaysfishin on July 14, 2005, 06:18:59 PM
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reports are coming in that "many" anglers are fishing above the triangle boundary signs at scale bar.
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT..... is the area above the markers not closed all the way to the hope bridge?????
Yesterday 6 springs were hooked well above the boundary, in closed waters, the springs were landed below the boundary signs and then killed. DFO had a member present, watching for incidental sockeye catch, and when other anglers spoke directly with him about this he said that he did not have the authority to act, even though he did WITNESS and recognize that these fisherman (poachers in my book) were indeed fishing in a closed area AND KILLING FISH HOOKED IN A CLOSED AREA!!!!!!!
If you are one of these "POACHERS" beware, honest ethical anglers are watching and if DFO won't act, the can of bearspray may just settle the problem. I know these are strong words but believe me...... we will be watching and acting.
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honest and ethical fishermen , whats ethical about threating poachers with bear spray , if theres a dfo guy there he should get some one there with authority to bust these wankers ,and why doesnt he have the authority
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because thats not what his job is :P
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because thats not what his job is :P
If not, then what exactly is their job ? ???
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how do you get to scale bar i wna try it out? its walk in acess right?
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because thats not what his job is :P
If not, then what exactly is their job ? ???
To monitor fishing pressure, catch rates and whether or not people are fishing selectivly.
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o.k. point taken about the bear spray , i was pretty hot when typing this post. :D but good grief, what the hell is going on when people can't obey simple boundary signs and the DFO folks won't act..... blows my freakin mind
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trust me alwaysfishing....we feel your pain!
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hi ,alwaysfishin,i can feel for you,but dont take it in your own hands,thats illegal too.Just get the information and report,lets get the dfo do their works
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lol can someone plese help me out with some direections to scale bar?
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I dunno its reely scarey there........ :D
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reely reely scary....... it's cursed you know :o
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Does anyone know WHY that area is closed?? I dot like the fact that people fish above that boundry sign but there are much worse thing DFO should be watching.
That boundry sign was put there to deter fishermen from using that piece of beach which boarders on private property. There was complaints of litter, fishermen uninating and deficating in the bushes behind that run (which is private property), people were crossing thru private property to get to the run, not to mention the fights. All the hot heads seemed to jam up into the fast deep seem at the top of the run (for the springs).
I think that if these guys break one law they propably are more likely to break another so I am disappointed that the officer didnt do what they tell us to do: OBSERVE, RECORD, REPORT!
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CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT..... is the area above the markers not closed all the way to the hope bridge?????
Nope. The immediate triangle area above triangles is closed - up to the southern end of Croft Island, not all the way to the bridge. It was initially upto the bridge, but year later they reopenned the Croft Island.
As for the bar itself, it's still good in open area and producing nice chinooks (albeit more whites this year as reds) and we have met a couple of DFO officers yesterday at the bar - a very positive sign.
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reports are coming in that "many" anglers are fishing above the triangle boundary signs at scale bar.
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT..... is the area above the markers not closed all the way to the hope bridge?????
Yesterday 6 springs were hooked well above the boundary, in closed waters, the springs were landed below the boundary signs and then killed. DFO had a member present, watching for incidental sockeye catch, and when other anglers spoke directly with him about this he said that he did not have the authority to act, even though he did WITNESS and recognize that these fisherman (poachers in my book) were indeed fishing in a closed area AND KILLING FISH HOOKED IN A CLOSED AREA!!!!!!!
If you are one of these "POACHERS" beware, honest ethical anglers are watching and if DFO won't act, the can of bearspray may just settle the problem. I know these are strong words but believe me...... we will be watching and acting.
Um I'm all for following regulations, and obviously wouldnt fish in a closed area either. But you are indeed very pationate about protecting the residents back yard??? the only reason the top part of the scale bar is closed is because, the very top end in the bushes is privatley owned and the owner complained about the litter and trespassing. Again, obviously I would follow the rules and not fish there either. But usually fisherman save the bearspray threats etc for infractions causing a little more of an effect on our fishery, not for someone trespassing on someones back yard...
Of course the top part of the scale bar is the most effective place to fish for springs, but this is NOT why it is closed. Thrtr are many more productive bars, and you dont see the most productive sections shut down.
Just something to think about, again not condoning what they did. Just pointing out that, that section is not closed for conservation reasons, more for land reasons.
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The next day....
Bob, "So I read on FWR last night that there were a group of poaches fishing in a closed area on the Fraser!"
Ken, "Really?! That's rediculous!"
Bob, "Ya, but it sounds like there was a DFO staff around but he said he couldn't do anything!"
Ken, "What?! That's stupid."
Bob, "Ya, we should go do something! The guys on there will be carrying bear sprays from now on so those poachers better watch out! I bet they were probably using barbed hooks."
Ken, "Ya, they should be worried!"
The day after the next day....
Ken, "So Bob told me yesterday that he read on FWR about some poachers in a closed area on the Fraser, and they were keeping fish left and right, and using barbed hooked too!"
Steve, "What the heck?! Where are the DFO officers when you need them?!"
Ken, "Well, apparently there were DFO officers while this was happening but they didn't do anything!"
Steve, "Damn them, I guess we have to do something to stop all this madness. These poachers are everywhere on the Fraser."
Ken, "Ya, hey you wanna come? I'm shopping for bear spray this afternoon."
Don't worry, Ken, Steve and Bob are my imaginary friends. ;)
I understand we are all frustrated and outraged when we see people not obeying to the regulations that govern our sport out there. The best thing to do is to simply phone in and report what you see. Too often, as demonstrated above, both on the internet or personal interactions, misinformation are passed on all the time. Not saying your source is not valid Thomas, but as the information becomes third, forth, fifth hands, the story is usually not the same anymore. ;) Just be a little careful on what is being posted. The best thing is to remind readers what the ORR phone number is, where the fishing boundaries are and what people should do when violations are witnessed.
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these are not officers at the scale ba(ocassionaly conservation officers go down there but usually it is just DFO surveyors)r, but the guy that goes down that works for DFO is just a surveyor. He has no more authority over the illegal fisherman than you or I do.
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how do you get to scale bar
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trust me you dont want to go there :P.
Its on the south side of the river near hope. Park near the weigh scale (believe it or not) and look for the trial down to the river. Its about a 15 minute walk down.
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Nice.
The types that made that area get closed down are at it again, most likely engaged in non-selective angling method to boot. :(
The observer should have taken notes and the likes of these guys. Us common folk are supposed to ORR so why cant they do it too?
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if he's employed by the dfo , he has a duty to report any illegal practices .
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if low returns persist at this point the way they have, at this point, we will be lucky if any of us get fishing for much longer...and since there may be just no fishing...it'll be open season on poachers--not by me..but the commoner walking past you.
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if low returns persist at this point the way they have, at this point, we will be lucky if any of us get fishing for much longer...and since there may be just no fishing...it'll be open season on poachers--not by me..but the commoner walking past you.
The reds are started to come up - finally! ;D ;D
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is it off the highway one? the weight station
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Scale bar isn't up there..... ;)
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scalper66... you have mail
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thnk you
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Dropped in for a couple hours yesterday. boy-o-boy are guys really pushing the limit when it comes to the boundary sign. It seamed every time I lloked up to the top, every one has progressed up towards the top 10 feet at a time. Many guys fishing restricted waters in my view.
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waas anyone catching anything
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Most poachers are meat hunters. They are not into the enjoyment of seing the rod bounce up and down during a fight or how the fish is peeling lines off the reel. They are not into how you utilize your skills to entice a fish to bite.
All they want is MEAT...MEAT...MEAT