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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on January 26, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
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It happened on the Ranger Run, check the Fraser Valley Salmon Society FB page for pictures. Thanks for the report and pictures Tyler J.
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That photo looked nasty, it also completely wiped out a decent spot that was good to me for years.
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Don't have FB. Appreciate if someone could post the pics to the site. Would be interested in having a see. TYVM
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Thanks Rod. Reminds me of a line from “No Country for Old Men”
“Well it’s mess ain’t it” “If it ain’t, it’ll do till the mess gets here”
Is that pic taken from the right bank looking up at the slide and that’s standing water in the foreground, or is it taken from the left bank looking across and that water is the river?
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IT does not seem like it's much of a deal :
Fred's Custom Tackle
January 26 at 3:49 PM ·
There was a slide up at the Ranger Run. Current reports are that it has blocked off Petigrew Island, so the water will redirect around it. Shouldn’t cause too much of a problem with water clarity.
Fred's Custom Tackle
Yesterday at 12:30 PM ·
Slide Update: River's looking a bit silty since the slide up at Ranger Run. We've had slides in the past clear up in a matter of hours, others that have lasted for days. How long this will last is anybody's guess. Still seeing 🎣 weighed in #chilliwackriver #vedderriver
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It’s pretty bad. This is much bigger then anything we’ve seen the last 7-8 years. If it’s still bad after the blowout on friday then I predict it will take months to clear up. it will pose a big challenge for anglers and it will also wreck any chance the snorkelers have of seeing anything below this. It’s about 1-1.5 feet of vis with a heavy grey tinge. Fishable, but far from ideal.
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I guess any salmon eggs below the slide would be toast ? . Covered in clay silt ? .
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The coming "atmospheric river" in the forecast may bring a 10-year flood event or worse. Let's hope it doesn't create any more slides.
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Fred’s saying the slide won’t affect the water clarity is wrong. This slide is a bad one. The water above is clear, the water below is cloudy green with a foot of visibility.
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Its nasty. One of the worst slides ive seen that's for sure. Has there been bigger ones ? Yes but the water clarity is awful. Its shaping up to be a bad season for me. Normally I'd have a few hatchery at home but I haven't even hooked a single Steel on the Chilliwack this year. With the cold and now all this rain and slide ? Personally my worst season since I first started Steelheading.
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Fred’s saying the slide won’t affect the water clarity is wrong. This slide is a bad one. The water above is clear, the water below is cloudy green with a foot of visibility.
Fred's is worried about lost revenue due to lack of people on the river. It is even stated in the video clip posted about a previous slide.
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Fred's is worried about lost revenue due to lack of people on the river. It is even stated in the video clip posted about a previous slide.
Here is the video I produced and posted on another thread for those that may have missed it.https://youtu.be/su0bEzHvi4o
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Fred's Custom Tackle
3 hrs ·
Yesterday was a #bobberdown festival on the #chilliwackriver with 10 fish weighed into the #wallyhallderby. Here's a beauty 10.97lb #steelhead weighed in by Steve Rutherford. Check out the leaderboard for the latest updates at https://www.fredscustomtackle.com/derby1920
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Fred's Custom Tackle
3 hrs ·
Yesterday was a #bobberdown festival on the #chilliwackriver with 10 fish weighed into the #wallyhallderby. Here's a beauty 10.97lb #steelhead weighed in by Steve Rutherford. Check out the leaderboard for the latest updates at https://www.fredscustomtackle.com/derby1920
There are good days but mostly bad days. That was a small blip. How many people fish the Vedder on a daily bassis in the winter ? Lots. How many hatchery are retained on average these days ? Not many.
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This January run has actually been the strongest in the last 5 years. The cold snap followed by the clay slide has been the biggest issue with numbers of fish caught. That and 99% of steelhead anglers not knowing what their doing.
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This January run has actually been the strongest in the last 5 years. The cold snap followed by the clay slide has been the biggest issue with numbers of fish caught. That and 99% of steelhead anglers not knowing what their doing.
You have some stats to back up this being the strongest January in the last five yrs? So your saying out a 100 anglers on the river only 1 knows how to fish for Steelhead? Come on man. There’s a ton of good rods out there pounding away everyday.
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Yeah and their catching fish.... The Wally hall derby isn't the greatest reflection of numbers of fish. Lots of guys don’t weigh in fish and you get literally 0 info on numbers of wilds.
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You have some stats to back up this being the strongest January in the last five yrs? So your saying out a 100 anglers on the river only 1 knows how to fish for Steelhead? Come on man. There’s a ton of good rods out there pounding away everyday.
Honestly, the guys who fish every single day and keep journals are probably the most reliable info we have for numbers and trends. It appears that January has indeed been very good, and I know more than a few guys who have been killing and not posting or weighing in. There's a small demographic for people weighing fish in, and unfortunately, those people rarely do fall into that 10% of guys that actually know what they are doing.
The other thing you have to consider is if you're behind one of the really good rods, you're pretty much hooped for the day. You might get one or two on those days, but they got 6 (unless you just hit a bite time). The same goes for the island, there are guys that I message each weekend to see where they are going, because I definitely do not want to fish behind them (despite knowing a number of the rivers very well).
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Yeah and their catching fish.... The Wally hall derby isn't the greatest reflection of numbers of fish. Lots of guys don’t weigh in fish and you get literally 0 info on numbers of wilds.
The top rods are catching some fish. No big numbers to brag about to anyone. I agree many fish are not wieghed in. Why would you want to advertise good fishing over the internet? You have some intel on the amount of wilds getting caught? Last I heard there was only 4 fish tubed for the hatchery.
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The top rods are catching some fish. No big numbers to brag about to anyone. I agree many fish are not wieghed in. Why would you want to advertise good fishing over the internet? You have some intel on the amount of wilds getting caught? Last I heard there was only 4 fish tubed for the hatchery.
My buddy told me as of Friday they had 14
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You have some stats to back up this being the strongest January in the last five yrs? So your saying out a 100 anglers on the river only 1 knows how to fish for Steelhead? Come on man. There’s a ton of good rods out there pounding away everyday.
Honestly i would say that 1 out of 100 isnt that far off. But it all comes down to what you consider a good rod is. In my mind the good rods would have hooked 30-45 fish or more as of today. Alot of guys who have killed a few or landed half a dozen fish this season who think they are “killing it” actually have no idea whats going on out there. Im not posting this out of arrogance as i wouldnt consider myself a “good rod” but i have witnessed what goes on.
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The top rods are catching some fish. No big numbers to brag about to anyone. I agree many fish are not wieghed in. Why would you want to advertise good fishing over the internet? You have some intel on the amount of wilds getting caught? Last I heard there was only 4 fish tubed for the hatchery.
Honestly i dont believe fish tubed at this point is an accurate indicator either. I only say this because the C/V system right now is heavily relying on the abilities of two anglers. I dont say this to make anyone upset or to throw jabs at anyone else carrying tubes. But if you were to look at the numbers from each individual last year the numbers speak for themselves. Honestly they need to get the tubes in the hands of good anglers who are out there frequently and getting them.
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Honestly i dont believe fish tubed at this point is an accurate indicator either. I only say this because the C/V system right now is heavily relying on the abilities of two anglers. I dont say this to make anyone upset or to throw jabs at anyone else carrying tubes. But if you were to look at the numbers from each individual last year the numbers speak for themselves. Honestly they need to get the tubes in the hands of good anglers who are out there frequently and getting them.
Who has tubes? I have heard through the grapevine is the hatchery guys are catching wilds in the closed areas of the river.
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They do collect them up there, but that’s not where they have come from this season except for maybe 1 or two and very few last season. The 14 are what’s been collected in open water from the volunteer anglers.
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Who has tubes? I have heard through the grapevine is the hatchery guys are catching wilds in the closed areas of the river.
This is completely false (at least in this years case).
As Naka said, the brood angling is definitely being HEAVILY done by two individuals. At this point, they have 12 of the 14 fish in to the hatchery so far. They do not angle in closed sections. Other than that tidbit, if they don't want their info spread around, we shouldn't be the ones to do it.
Again, Naka is spot on. Most of the good anglers keep their mouths shut for how many fish they've gotten in a season. I'd say his assessment of a "good rod" is perfectly accurate - I wouldn't consider myself a good rod compared to those guys either.
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Can I be a top rod, I catch a lot of stealhead a year but until now I don't tell people. I caught a wild on the boxing day derby but I didn't tell any other top rods, does it count? Do all the top rods know each other, is it a self proclaimed, do I need to know another self proclaimed top rod. Is there a list, can I be on this list?
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Can I be a top rod, I catch a lot of stealhead a year but until now I don't tell people. I caught a wild on the boxing day derby but I didn't tell any other top rods, does it count? Do all the top rods know each other, is it a self proclaimed, do I need to know another self proclaimed top rod. Is there a list, can I be on this list?
;D ;D
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Can I be a top rod, I catch a lot of stealhead a year but until now I don't tell people. I caught a wild on the boxing day derby but I didn't tell any other top rods, does it count? Do all the top rods know each other, is it a self proclaimed, do I need to know another self proclaimed top rod. Is there a list, can I be on this list?
if you don't know the secret handshake you can never be a member.
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Can I be a top rod, I catch a lot of stealhead a year but until now I don't tell people. I caught a wild on the boxing day derby but I didn't tell any other top rods, does it count? Do all the top rods know each other, is it a self proclaimed, do I need to know another self proclaimed top rod. Is there a list, can I be on this list?
You would have to ask Everyday as he knows all the top rods. Maybe he will put you on the list. ;D
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Top Rods is a very exclusive club. You don't apply for membership. They come looking for you. From what I know, the members meet every Leap year to determine which new members can join. This might be your year fisher man. Keep your fingers crossed and your cell phone on.
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Top Rods is a very exclusive club. You don't apply for membership. They come looking for you. From what I know, the members meet every Leap year to determine which new members can join. This might be your year fisher man. Keep your fingers crossed and your cell phone on.
I think you have it confused the Top Rods meet every year it's the king fishers that only meet every leap year.
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all you need is the ball cap with the Top Rod logo. Rod sells them.
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I dont normally fish the Chilliwack river. I prefer the solitude of the Chehalis. I did however fish the Chilliwack a few times this year. I ran into a dude fishing for brood the other day. I waved and asked how he was as we passed on a trail. I assume because I'm not in the special club that this was the reason why he ignored me. Guess I'm not cool enough for a hello or even a head nod. In my opinion the guy is a goof.
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I don’t understand the reasoning for all the sarcastic remarks. Nobody was claiming there a “top rod” or anything so don’t get why theres guys here getting butt hurt. Do you disagree with what myself or everday posted earlier??
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I don’t understand the reasoning for all the sarcastic remarks. Nobody was claiming there a “top rod” or anything so don’t get why theres guys here getting butt hurt. Do you disagree with what myself or everday posted earlier??
don't think anyone is disagreeing with everyday or you by their post. i think this post is what got the topic off its course.
"Can I be a top rod, I catch a lot of stealhead a year but until now I don't tell people. I caught a wild on the boxing day derby but I didn't tell any other top rods, does it count? Do all the top rods know each other, is it a self proclaimed, do I need to know another self proclaimed top rod. Is there a list, can I be on this list?"
what people need to realize is the effort and time it takes to be a top rod, its earned by hard work. if you fish a system once or maybe twice a week you will never be a top rod.
no where am i implying that i am one fyi. i enjoy fishing to many different watersheds to ever become one. That and my full time job gets in the way.
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I dont normally fish the Chilliwack river. I prefer the solitude of the Chehalis. I did however fish the Chilliwack a few times this year. I ran into a dude fishing for brood the other day. I waved and asked how he was as we passed on a trail. I assume because I'm not in the special club that this was the reason why he ignored me. Guess I'm not cool enough for a hello or even a head nod. In my opinion the guy is a goof.
Maybe he was pissed you were there? I have seen some anglers that get grumpy if your in a certain area of the river they plan to fish. If one carries a tube then IMO they are representing the hatchery and should conduct themselves accordingly.
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Uh... To be a top rod, you need to be a Rod first... 8)
Does it really matter?
To make this fishery better, people need to be more inclusive and courteous. Stop looking down on others.
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Bearing mind fishing is one recreation. Good at fishing equals to the ability of good at smoking or good at drinking.
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Uh... To be a top rod, you need to be a Rod first... 8)
Does it really matter?
To make this fishery better, people need to be more inclusive and courteous. Stop looking down on others.
Amen! or if you prefer... Well Said!
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Bearing mind fishing is one recreation. Good at fishing equals to the ability of good at smoking or good at drinking.
that's the vedder triathlon. I represented region 6 in '97. secured the bronze. it was a great event.
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You would have to ask Everyday as he knows all the top rods. Maybe he will put you on the list. ;D
I know a couple people who I would consider very good anglers on the mainland. I'm hardly in touch with what goes on out there due to not living out there anymore. There are likely many good anglers that I don't know. Regardless, I still back up Naka in his original posts. There is no denying that 90% of the brood fish on the Vedder last year, and likely this year, were/will be brought in by 2 anglers. That's a pretty significant proportion.
I'm also not sure why there is so much sarcasm going on. I'd urge anyone who thinks they are a "top rod" to apply for brood permits and help the program(s) out (on their "home" flow). Who cares whether anyone thinks you're good or not, or if you tell people how many you get, etc. None of that matters. The take home point should be that there is a severe lacking of brood anglers bringing in fish on almost every other hatchery system besides the Vedder, and even until last year the Vedder was having difficulty. If you think/know you can contribute, then do it.
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Uh... To be a top rod, you need to be a Rod first... 8)
Does it really matter?
To make this fishery better, people need to be more inclusive and courteous. Stop looking down on others.
That wasn’t the intention of my original response that created this mess. What I was getting at originally is it grows tiring hearing guys talk about the doom and gloom of this fishery when in reality that isn’t the case at all. The Vedder/Chilliwack has lost a lot of it’s best holding water over the last 10 years. There’s more people then ever fishing for steelhead and you have probably 20-30% less fish then 2000-2015 like most systems along the coast.
Now you have 30-40% more guys fishing over 20-30% less fish with 30% less good fishable water. It makes things pretty tough for your run of the mill steelhead fisherman to be successful. In this new, tougher steelhead fishery the success rates between the average competent steelheader and a top rod is going to be miles apart. If anyone thinks the only thing that’s changed with the vedder steelhead fishery is less fish then there kidding themselves.
The return this January has been on the stronger side when comparing it to the last 5 years. The biggest factor in low catches is the new clay slides keeping 90% of the river under 2 feet of visibility at all times.
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I know a couple people who I would consider very good anglers on the mainland. I'm hardly in touch with what goes on out there due to not living out there anymore. There are likely many good anglers that I don't know. Regardless, I still back up Naka in his original posts. There is no denying that 90% of the brood fish on the Vedder last year, and likely this year, were/will be brought in by 2 anglers. That's a pretty significant proportion.
I'm also not sure why there is so much sarcasm going on. I'd urge anyone who thinks they are a "top rod" to apply for brood permits and help the program(s) out (on their "home" flow). Who cares whether anyone thinks you're good or not, or if you tell people how many you get, etc. None of that matters. The take home point should be that there is a severe lacking of brood anglers bringing in fish on almost every other hatchery system besides the Vedder, and even until last year the Vedder was having difficulty. If you think/know you can contribute, then do it.
Do you know what's the best way to apply for broodstock volunteering on the vedder? Who is the manager that organizes the permits?
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The top rods catch fish in water others have just fished before him. I have seen this happened a few times. When I was a greenie steelheader 30+ years ago, me and another friend fished a lower run for 2 hours with the usual stuffs, pink worm, roe, spinner. After 2 hours of no hookup, we concluded that there must be no fish in the run and were ready to pack and go. Then an oldtimer showed up and promptly hook 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, all 5 fish one after another before our eyes. He didn't use any of the popular stuff. He just fished with wool combo that I rarely saw anyone using for steelhead. Go figure. I also know another guy who seemed to be able to hook into multiple fish in a run where others had been combing for hours. He is a friend who used a special lure and twice I saw him hooked into multiple fish in water just fished by others. Yes, how about 4 fish vs 0 by 6 other guys casting into the same stretch of water in a small run above the old prison camp. He is another oldtimer who fished very day. He later told me he needed more challenge on steelhead and he switched into spey rods. Lol. So there are guys who can do that. Just today my friend met one of the posters above (won't name him) and fishing the same spot over the same water. He hooked 2 and my friend skunked in that water (but my friend hooked 2 today at a different spot, one being a monster he couldn't land). Yea, there are top rods out there for sure and there is lot to learn from the top rods. Unfortunately most of them are secretive and won't share in a public forum, which is perfectly understandable.