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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: arimaBOATER on February 02, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
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Well it's been a few days so....surface surface surface ...open the hatch. ;D
Honestly very surprised with the new Food Guide. It actually contains TRUTH about nutrition. It steps on the toes of ranchers / beef pork chicken ...the junk food companies...even Coke Pepsi & fruit juice & drink companies...also less sugar,salt & unhealthy oils.
Plus less dairy cheeses whole milk cream ice cream ...as it contains lots of dairy fats. Of course less pies cookies potato chips,cheesy corn chips...processed foods full of bad fat,sugar & salt. Margarine is not good including Becel. Butter in moderation is better than margarine. Extra virgin olive oil is a healthy oil but not good for high heat cooking. Medium heat at best. Low smoking point.
Guide directs us to drink more water!
Get protein more from protein foods guide says.
Wow...the butcher shops & beef ranchers & fast food burger joints are not too happy about that info.
Meats chicken pork just have too much bad fat. The way it sounds they want us to eat meats 2x a week only & max. hand palm size portions. Oprah Winfrey years ago on tv said something negative about beef & Texas took her to court. She won. Gee so much for free speech. Well this guide really tells us to eat less burgers ;D
What's wrong with fruit juice with no sugar added ? Well fruit juices have lots of natural sugar in high amounts. Fruit drinks are a joke. Water sugar & fruit flavourings.
Diet drinks are even worse! Aspartame & other artificial sweeteners are proven to be bad for the brain & other things in the body.
Processed meats hot dogs hams sausages are loaded with fat nitrates salt...fat equals clogged arteries. Nitrates equals cancer. Salt equals high blood pressure / bad for kidneys...( we need some salt daily though but not in excess. Salt & sugar is in nearly everything including msg. Ketchup soups mustard etc..
Why has there been such a push to get people to stop smoking?
Gov did some adding & subtracting. The tax profit we get from cigarettes is less than the hospital costs they spend on medical bills created by smoking ( cancer )
Now if cig tax was more in the gov purse than the medical costs...there simply would be no push for people to stop smoking.
Think it's the same thing in the case of nutrition. The gov. has found that heart kidney diabetic cancers dementia arthritis etc...is costing it's health care to sky rocket. So they do not care that the cattle farmers & McDonalds restaurants will possibly lose $$$ if people truly buy into the new guide. Save $ in health care costs. Maybe we need warning labels on junk foods,like they put on cig packages.
There just may be another super big problem the food guide totally misses out on!!!
If this is true & factual even this new food guide will have us have major health problems!!!
The other possible truth of the "shoe drops" is GMO foods. Compared to farmed or wild salmon kinda idea.
GMO foods are modified. Seeds tampered with so the plants can with stand high doses of "roundup" /pesticides herbicides fertilizers..it creates unhealthy soil...kills the insects...corn sprayed that a song bird eats one kernel & the bird dies.
GMO foods some researchers say cause cancers..& wreck havoc in our gut/intestine/digestion system. People are having all sorts of allergies / digestion problems / brain fog....
More & more foods are becoming GMO. Canola & Soy & Corn crops are 99% GMO now.
The company that makes these sprays / GMO seeds are pocketing the big $$$.
There's a youtube vid "Seeds of Death" that if factual have us all walking time bombs.
Ladies avoid soya /corn/canola products that are GMO as if the warnings are true it could cause breast cancers. ( read some where or heard these GMO companies have invested in pharmacy products people turn to after they get sickly from eating these foods. Maybe I'm wrong but think I heard or read this in the past )
Look for non GMO or certified organic stickers on your produce.
Think if the sticker has the number 8 it is GMO. That vid/film ya can watch for free on youtube is shocking if factual. Worth your time. Vid again is "Seeds of Death". Plus cattle chickens pigs are eating GMO feed plus getting all sorts of needles/antibiotics ...which in turn goes into it's flesh. We then eat the burger chicken or bacon with these within. What can we eat or drink??? Peanuts bananas I give up. More red wine I guess ;D
Plus these sprays are killing the insect populations in which birds or fish would eat in streams/rivers/lakes. Less birds & fish.
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Nice post, lots in that to digest. (Pun intended)
Haven’t read it, but curious what’s in there regards to portion control and size of meals? With obesity at all time highs and costing the health system billions in ORI’s, surely sizing meals is just important as what’s in them.
Thanks for posting, sad to see about the recommended cutback in dairy :(
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Will you be forego your daily glass or two of red wine and drink water A-BOATER ? Will you be dousing yourself with water instead of champagne when the Canucks hoist the Stanley Cup ? ;D ;D
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Typical of this federal government. Left wing governments the world over are leaning towards an all vegan diet for it people. It's no surprise. People who dont have animal protine are weaker. Mentally and physically. Smoke some weed, dont eat meat and soak in that new 5g radiation. That'll tame the public might well
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Typical of this federal government. Left wing governments the world over are leaning towards an all vegan diet for it people. It's no surprise. People who dont have animal protine are weaker. Mentally and physically. Smoke some weed, dont eat meat and soak in that new 5g radiation. That'll tame the public might well
Conspiracy?
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Typical of this federal government. Left wing governments the world over are leaning towards an all vegan diet for it people. It's no surprise. People who dont have animal protine are weaker. Mentally and physically. Smoke some weed, dont eat meat and soak in that new 5g radiation. That'll tame the public might well
https://www.facebook.com/ozzymanreviews/videos/750429132022656/
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It's a guide. Nobody is forced to eat anything. Most people aren't even aware of what the guide recommends if they know there is one at all.Every 20 years or so it get revised for changes in what is the current understanding of good nutrition practice and changes in public eating habits. Some people have claimed that segments of the food industry has had undue influence over what gets recommended. The claim is this time they relied more on recommendations by registered dietitians.
Personally I rely more on what my Doctor recommends and what my wife wants to cook! I have treated hi BP and hi-ish cholesterol. Still I seldom go through a day without eating some type of animal protein be it dairy fish or meat. I had snapper and pulled pork for lunch. I put cheese on the pork as I couldn't stop myself. LOL!
More and more people are avoiding meat - adopting vegetarian or even vegan diets. There are practical reasons to do so. Others complain some grains give them digestive problems. Some significant % (40% or so) of the world population can't digest many dairy products. Some of the Asian people I know are lactose intolerant. I guess the guide should reflect those needs?
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Will you be forego your daily glass or two of red wine and drink water A-BOATER ? Will you be dousing yourself with water instead of champagne when the Canucks hoist the Stanley Cup ? ;D ;D
Tell ya the truth when thirsty I boil water & have some instant coffee / green tea / or skim milk. So ya get my favoured water.
Ya water in most places has it's contaminates bleach bugs mercury & what's that stuff they add in for your teeth? ( some say is bad. ) ever drink Regina city water out of the tap on a hot summer day.
Ya can smell the bleach & water really tastes bad. Water comes from Buffalo Pond. Tastes like 1000s of Buffalo's are bathing in the water !!!
Personally like eating chicken & beef but try not to deep fry & trim off fat/skin.
One comment mentioned size of meal. How true. Too many over weight / eat too much carbs / lack of exercise. Some people are just really super big 100-200 lbs over weight kinda idea & that is torture in just doing any activity.
Think most of us should eat healthy 6 days a week & then eat whatever on day 7. ;D within reason.
Let's eat a cheese burger with whole milk & some potato chips.
But folks if you find time do view that vid on youtube "Seeds of Death" should the info be true what they are saying then our body is being DESTROYED literally by GMO !!!
Makes climate warming a non issue if this GMO dangers are fact. One simple test a scientist did was feed a GMO potato & non GMO potato to mice. The mice eating GMO had weak small organs / were smaller mice/ & they developed tumours. Mice that ate natural potato ( non GMO ) grew to so good size & no health problems.
Youtube "Seeds of Death" really unreal.
20/20 had a story on Friday. ( last night. ) on a serial killer. These GMO companies if warnings in this film is true & the evidence & argument looks very convincing...will be the biggest serial killers of history.
Maybe that's their goal to reduce the population growth but knowing human nature it's the billions & billions they are making...at the cost of our health. ( scary )
Edit In : if you are busy do not even try to view "Seeds of Death" as it's over 60 minutes long.
I had to watch it 2x to really focus on all the info & hear the argument in full & truly hear what the alarm they are trying to get across.
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Conspiracy?
Maybe. I do not know. The global trend is Veganism tho. Fast food chains offering Vegan options and updated government food guides. That is a trend.
Could there be a future where people meat shame others ? I can see that. It's possible. I like to question a lot of things that's just my nature. In no way am I a conspiracy theorist. I just question things. I think we dont do enough of it these day. We live in a time where we have access the unprecedented knowledge but at the same time it feels like we are drowning in misinformation.
Eating meat 3 days a week works for me. I'm healthy. My wifes vegan friend is emaciated. She turned Vegan on the advice of her holistic doctor. That's all the evidence I need.
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Could there be a future where people meat shame others ? I can see that. It's possible.
I can also see that happening, if it isn’t already happening :o
I hope a fishing forum is somewhat of a safe haven from that ever happening....... It’d be scary times indeed if you’re being meat shamed on a public fishing forum.
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As Hike_and_Fish noted, it's all about trends. Take for example, gluten. There are gluten free baked goods, drinks and sausages etc. Not convinced there are that many gluten intolerant people out there. Food manufacturers are capitalizing on this trend to increase their bottom line.
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I can also see that happening, if it isn’t already happening :o
I hope a fishing forum is somewhat of a safe haven from that ever happening....... It’d be scary times indeed if you’re being meat shamed on a public fishing forum.
pretty soon u will see people shaming people for goin to the Keg !
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Honestly it's well known now for years now at Universities across the United States young conservatives are shamed for their political views. Protests from social justice warriors who plain old dont like the way someone thinks has really changed our society. I really believe meat shaming will be a thing. Hunting a fishing will also be nonexistent in the not to distant future. All in the name of global warming and saving the enviroment. Save the Wales dude.
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But what I don't understand is shaming others for exercising their rights to choose what they like to eat or dress is a violation of human rights and I thought these liberal folks are all for human rights, aren't they? Lol.
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I've known a considerable number of vegans & vegetarians. I've been over to their place for supper. I've eaten in restaurants with them (both vegan only and normal fare) and had them over at our place. I have never experienced or witnessed 'meat shaming'. Quite the opposite. Most vegans etc I know have tolerated considerable mostly good-natured ribbing over their diet choice. They are not at all 'in your face' about it. For most it's a personal choice they know most people don't hold and likely won't adopt all too soon.
The new food guide doesn't say no to animal protein. So I don't quite get the hysteria. There are a lot of ways to get good protein into your diet.
People who enjoy meat, fish and poultry etc need to start talking about what is good about it. Managed right it's healthy and it can in combination with plant agricultural reduce the overall impact of food production on the natural environment.
A lot more land has to be cultivated to produce the same amount of protein than could be gotten from free range animal farming. That means we can keep more of the earth in a more natural state by eating some animal protein than by relying on plant based food alone.
I also always remember what Anthony Bordain said about vegans. He said 70% of the people on the planet are vegans. It is not by choice and they are not too happy about it.
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Its gotten to this?
We need a food guide?
If you dont know whats healthy and what isnt then im sorry,a food guide probably isnt going to help.
We are lazy people and thats where most of the problems arise from.
Its much easier to drive thru some place and pick up a quick burger rather than go home and make that foo foo salad.
If i was loaded and had my own chef id probably lose a bunch of weight because i know how to eat but just dont out of laziness.
Food guide shmood guide......
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The new guide suggests that we eat more plant based protein and should cut back on meat and fat.
Why? Good question. Possibly because veganism and vegetarianism are being pushed as the most healthy diets and the most protective of the environment. I believe both of these theories are suspect or at the least need more context.
There is still a lot of outdated research and hysteria that fat and therefore cholesterol clogs your arteries and causes strokes and cardiovascular disease (CVD). Sure there is correlation between CVD and high cholesterol but no causation. Cholesterol is an essential fat that the body manufactures in large quantities every day, in addition to what is consumed. The body uses cholesterol to try and repair a problem, but it is not the underlying cause of the problem. The problem is inflammation and the primary cause of inflammation is excessive levels of blood sugar, hyperinsulinaemia and insulin resistance. What causes these problems, over consumption of carbohydrates, particularly processed carbohydrates. Without excess carbohydrates, high cholesterol levels poses no increased risk of CVD or stroke (see videos referenced below). Quite the opposite in fact. When blood sugar is controlled and carbohydrate consumption is minimized, people with high cholesterol levels have lower life time mortality risks compared to individuals on the Standard American Diet (SAD), which is predominantly carbohydrate based.
Interested in following this subject matter down the rabbit hole?
Dr. Paul Mason - 'Low Carb from a Doctor's perspective'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBsnk2PtPeo&t=468s
Dr. Paul Mason - 'Saturated fat is not dangerous'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUY_SDhxf4k&t=1055s
Dr. Gary Fettke - 'Is Fruit Good or Bad For You?'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6LL92Zs5L0
The Widowmaker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WygYk81gXXk
Coronary Calcification - and Fixing the Root Causes of Heart Disease
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=524&v=bWcgT4BYwo0
What if Heart Disease and Diabetes had the same cause?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofq-8ToY2fc
An agricultural perspective of the benefits of ruminants:
KetoCon 2018 Peter Ballerstedt "Ruminant Reality Check"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1576&v=9t_axkQ8IcQ
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Why? Good question. Possibly because veganism and vegetarianism are being pushed as the most healthy diets and the most protective of the environment. I believe both of these theories are suspect or at the least need more context.
Liberal Government, JT guide to living like a fruity west coast hippy
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the new food guide also recommends
- eating foods made from scratch (ie a receipe) at home
- avoiding processed and fast foods
- eating in company. Taking time to have a meal 'experience'
- eat the foods that are consistent with your cultural background.
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KNN's got it right.
This food guide is littered with old 'science'. Still too many carbs and the notion that saturated fats are bad. Fat does not make you fat.
They are way off base. Too much influence from agriculture lobbyists and pressure from the vocal minority vegans and vegetarian crowd. Don't drink more water, drink when you're thirsty. Don't eat small meals all day long, do the opposite. Don't avoid fat, avoid sugar and all grains.
And why is the government telling us how to eat? All we have done is get fatter and fatter.
They can't balance a budget, run effective social programs to provide mental health support that would in turn lessen the impact of social housing needs and drug addiction, the can't manage fisheries and oceans, maintain infrastructure, keep teachers employed/empowered, they even ran a provincial/socialist car into the ground.
Inept people that checked out of the private sector to work for the government for that salary and fat pension with no motivation or incentive to do better. I worked for a Crown Corporation, trust me, I saw it EVERYDAY.
If I want advice on something, I talk to my mechanic, dentist, doctor, accountant or lawyer. Not the government.
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Dave thank you & others for your recent comments. Ya say "Welcome Back" but really I did not go anywhere. My posts now are like a single shot handgun instead of machine gun ;D
Space out my posts time wise. Sink outta sight for two days instead of 2-3 posts daily.
Honestly was just trying to get activity if posting was slow.
Anyways we all have to pull our weight.
Lots of good comments & variety of views.
Study the food issue & now I'm more mixed up what to eat than ever. Depends what expert ya believe.
Keto Diet ( Dr Don Colbert & others ) say eat lots of fats. Bacon beef burgers whole eggs cheese...with fruits & vegs. Like Damien & Knnn posted. Lots of meat protein is what the Dr Atkins Diet was all about. Doctors laughed at his views but possibly he was ahead of the times.
Inflammation is really a big time problem,agreed.
Too much sugars carbs pies donuts cookies sugar pop/fruit drinks,sugar itself put into coffee /tea...( sugar water for hummingbirds is ok not humans )
Lots of info about the importance of keeping your gut health in order with limiting the bad bacteria & increasing the good bacteria in one's intestines. That's one of the reasons doctors do not give out antibiotics like candy anymore. We get resistant to it & it totally wipes out the good & bad gut bacteria in our gut. ( intestines )
Leading nutrition researchers are shouting out the importance of having lots of good bacteria in one's gut to have over all health. Using antibiotics / white flour / pies cakes / sugar ...feeds the bad bacteria in a gut thus experts say it will lead to all sorts of diseases/ leaky gut ,irritable bowel syndrome,bowel cancer.. What feeds your good gut bacteria? Fermented foods...kefir,unsweetened yogurt,sourkraut,...
But if antibiotics kill good bacteria possibly eating too much chicken beef eggs ...is not good for our gut health. Why? 2/3 of the worlds supply of antibiotics is feed or injected to our farm animals. Eat lots of eggs or beef etc..& we eat the antibiotics given to that animal. Of course if available there are healthy beef cows that were grass feed or free range chickens etc that were not given these drugs so it's more healthy to consume. But it's more costly. Moderation is key I assume.
Really like multigrain /whole wheat breads which are carbs that many say to limit but think it 's ok to eat as long we get out & exercise 30 minutes or 2 hrs after eating. Burn it off.
Worst is to have pizza or sandwich at 11 pm. & go to bed.
Heard a story in the local media where some guy went to buy herbs or something from some health speciality store. He got sicker & sicker. He went to the store in hopes to get well as he was sickly but he got more sickly instead. The herbs or whatever he bought had too much lead !!!
He was getting lead poisoned !!!
Definitely we have a high % of people with diabetes /heart problems(me), dementia,cancers ...
Many go by the "let's eat drink & be merry...not here for a long time but good time"
But we see people kicking the bucket in their 50's ( Elvis in his early 40's ...his fried peanut butter banana sandwiches loaded with melted butter...pizza...fries...burgers...) or people lasting quite a good quality of life into their 90's ...
Was it the food,mental outlook/attitude/exercise/genes/proper sleep ????
One very very senior lady said she liked hot dogs a lot when asked what's her secret to live a long life.
(Safeway wieners or maybe she meant real hot "dog" bark bark ..guess not ) :o
Tell ya one thing bet if we ate a farm salmon daily we will die earlier than later.
Get the fish farm owners go live on cam at 6:30 daily eating farm salmon ...& we will follow along & see what happens to the chap.
Most GPs or your medical doctor want ya not too healthy. Less visits = less $.
Pharmacy business do not want us to be too heathy. Too healthy then less visits to the drug store = less $.
One fellow worker ate one pound of butter daily at lunch break ( in the 1970s ..sawmill ) I told him that eating that much must be bad for his heart health. He just laughed & laughed like I was nuts /insane. Within 2 yrs he died by a heart attack. He was in his 50s my guess.
We are what we eat has lots of truth.
Ok just one glass of beer today. ( big 1 litre size glass ) ok I'll have double cheese burger large fries with thick gravy & a sugar free coke because I'm on a diet.....
But Canada Food Guide is good indeed as in our schools cafeteria donuts & fries are limited ....potato chips chocolate bars total junk food gone in the vending machines. ( so I heard )
QB Tom Brady who just won his ( New England team ) 6th Super Bowl game only eats non GMO foods.
He will not eat anything fruit /veg. that the seed was genetically modified in some laboratory by a lobbyist paid scientist.
He also eats grass fed /non chemical cow that walked in a pasture. Not in a barn & forced feed.
His diet 80% vegs/fruits & 20% protein from animals.
Hopefully some of you will watch "Seeds of Death " youtube. GMO food dangers as opposed to natural farming & good soil.
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If I want advice on something, I talk to my mechanic, dentist, doctor, accountant or lawyer. Not the government.
Of course. You would never heed a travel advisory from Global Affairs Canada, or a small craft warning from Environment Canada, or a public health notice from the Public Health Agency of Canada.
Cuz that's just inept government bureaucrats giving more advice.
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Those are reporting facts.
The 'food guide' literally took in account feelings on the ethics of eating meat and somehow connecting a line between Canadians eating meat and climate change.
More negative on human health;
Soy & Grains > Animal Fats
This food guide, while updated to reduce sugar and processed foods is great (and duh). But they are missing where science is at NOW. Vilifying animal fats and dairy is just way off.
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(https://food-guide.canada.ca/static/assets/visual_en.png)
This is their 'perfect plate'. Laden with carbs.
They even have the sweetest and highest carb vegetables (beets and carrots) there mixed in with fruit and grains taking up 3/4 of the plate. Then add in potatoes and/or yams, wtf?
Grains taking up a quarter of the plate is so poorly researched and frankly a dangerous thing to be promoting. No surprise as what Canada grows and exports very well.
The plate should be half protein and the rest vegetables (not root and starchy vegetables). There are hundreds of samples, here is one. Notice virtually no fruit and grain free?
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I only kind of know about proper nutrition as a friend is REALLY into it with a biology background. I don't follow a strict diet, but I try.
What I am saying is for something like this food guide to be taken by many without research as gospel is dead wrong and it will not help the population of Canada to live healthier lives.
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Everything in moderation.
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not talked about much but the recommendations on drinking lots of water (the 6 glasses of water a day rule) were really 'cooked up' because it sounded reasonable. I don't think there is a lot of sound evidence to support the idea. Drink when you feel you need some is a better idea as it will match your liquid consumption to your activity levels etc. Prior to community water treatment and service, water was a bad risk and that's why we have developed our drinking habits around hot beverages, alcohol and some fermented drinks that have been cooked (ie beer and ale)
True vegetables are relatively low in carbs while tubers are 2 to 3x higher. Most fruits are relatively low in carbs; apples oranges, berries etc.
I think the message in the photo is to eat a balanced diet.
Personally I don't rely on youtube for much of anything except maybe how to fix my bike or re&re a kitchen faucet. Tying flies is ok though most of the time I'd rather just have the recipe.
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couldnt care less about the food guide i'll continue to eat the way i do.
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couldnt care less about the food guide i'll continue to eat the way i do.
egg-xactly!