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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: TheFishingLad on November 01, 2013, 06:28:25 PM
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So I was at a local fishing store buying items to make spinners when the owner was telling a customer that a local system was "On fire!" And pointed out a few locations where people have been producing. Over the last 3 weeks it went from me and someone else there to nearly a dozen people. I try to explain to people don't tell your friends but sadly the quality of fisherman there had gone downhill.
Now I didn't buy anything when I heard that, nor will I.
Has anye else over heard similar things?
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I've overheard the opposite: sales staff sending newbies to overfished areas, especially for crab trapping. Most of these areas have been strip-mined of marine life. I keep my mouth shut because I don't want my semi-secret spots destroyed.
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Was it a hatchery system?
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Isolated incident then I hope
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Yeah! I have had that experience too! It is not an isolated incident. Tackle stores are a business! If they can direct people accordingly then chances are good they will return for either goods or good fishing reports! The worst is the internet fishing reports that go out to thousands! There goes every bodies secret spots!! I had many good spots that I would not see a soul all day! That was ten years ago and today there are more guys from all over in all the spots! It seems a lot of fisherman are taking a lot of shortcuts and not putting in the quality time it take to figure out some good spots on there own>
Mind you! Not all tackle stores are giving it all away but I tend to stay away from the ones who I know will for the almighty dollar!!
hotrod
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some fishing stores just say fishing is excellent there oh and there lots of fish
but really they want you to come and buy supplies from them so they make buisness
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Its a problem.
Last winter was the same thing, and this fall too.
I can guess where you mean because it went from quiet to riot, but I didnt suspect the stores to be that loud about it. Maybe the people who run the shop should talk about where he fishes lol.
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Was it a hatchery system?
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So I was at a local fishing store buying items to make spinners when the owner was telling a customer that a local system was "On fire!" And pointed out a few locations where people have been producing. Over the last 3 weeks it went from me and someone else there to nearly a dozen people. I try to explain to people don't tell your friends but sadly the quality of fisherman there had gone downhill.
Now I didn't buy anything when I heard that, nor will I.
Has anye else over heard similar things?
What an arrogant post. From what I gather you cant compete with the pressure of other anglers?
And to refuse buisness from a local shop for giving out places to go fishing to promote buisness. How would you like it if those generous buisness's decided to be as arrogant and selfish and stop donating gear to fundraisers and other events?
Get off your high horse. No place is as secret as you think it is. How do you distinguish a " lower quality angler " from yourself?
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What an arrogant post. From what I gather you cant compete with the pressure of other anglers?
And to refuse buisness from a local shop for giving out places to go fishing to promote buisness. How would you like it if those generous buisness's decided to be as arrogant and selfish and stop donating gear to fundraisers and other events?
Get off your high horse. No place is as secret as you think it is. How do you distinguish a " lower quality angler " from yourself?
Easy - anyone else on the run I'm fishing. ;D
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I asked a few days ago and it still hasn't been answered. Was it a hatchery system? It was asked by a second member as well, simple yes or no answer would suffice.
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This crying goes on year after year! A ma and pa operation trying to make a living! I am happy for them trying to make a living and good on them for giving info and also explaining the regulations on these systems. Now if only we all would follow the regs, example bonking wild steelhead. Sure is funny how the past always bites you in the arse! No respect for that! Absolutely NONE! Especially for the lame reason behind it!!!!!! And I mean LAME!
The Ghost
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I asked a few days ago and it still hasn't been answered. Was it a hatchery system? It was asked by a second member as well, simple yes or no answer would suffice.
Rob Ford School of Direct Answers graduate!
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I had a fishing store tell me a great place. As a result I keep going back to them to buy my flies, replace line and to chat. Further more, I've had unforgettable times on the river catching salmon with one of my best friends. I've done more exploring from there and found more spots.
In short I think you just need to stop being bitter and become more compassionate for your fellow fisherman. One of the best aspects of this site and fishing in general is the sense of community. Hope I don't see you on the river.
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What does it matter if its a hatchery system or not? Virtually every flow in the LML is a "hatchery system"... Only difference is numbers of fish and size of hatchery. Some are a multimillion dollar operation, while others are run by volunteers out of a shack in the woods...
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What an arrogant post. From what I gather you cant compete with the pressure of other anglers?
And to refuse buisness from a local shop for giving out places to go fishing to promote buisness. How would you like it if those generous buisness's decided to be as arrogant and selfish and stop donating gear to fundraisers and other events?
Get off your high horse. No place is as secret as you think it is. How do you distinguish a " lower quality angler " from yourself?
Now that is an arrogant post what he is talking about is small systems that can't support the pressure that they are getting. Slowly these small systems are being destroyed by "lower quality" anglers leaving garbage, snaging fish, killing over quota and out of season fish. It has nothing to do with competition from other anglers it's about protecting the few special places left so that our kids can expirence that same things we did at s kid's in our small local streams.Take off your blinders and look at the big picture.
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I think the point about the hatchery system is that they can take the pressure compared to the wild systems.
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I think the point about the hatchery system is that they can take the pressure compared to the wild systems.
BINGO! Hatchery systems can handle more pressure than wild systems. TheFishingLad must be on a level far above everyone here like others have pointed out as he can't even say if it is a hatchery system or not. My guess would be that it is a hatchery system (as most are in the LML) however he won't say that because he already knows what would come next. A tackle shop mentioning systems in shop is not a big deal although some discretion should be used, mentioning them online in reports is another thing (smaller systems). Most shops will not talk about wild systems in shop unless it is with a person they know well. Fairly rare to see them reported about online in reports by shops, although it does happen to certain systems.
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Some shops promote systems to increase business,and mention what tackle is working well to increase sales.Everbody has to make a living ,but at the same time with power comes great responsibility.In this case the power is knowledge.
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It is frusterating. I have a little spot on the Fraser that has gone from a few regulars 5 years ago to a quite popular fishing spot with many people regularly there. One fellow there who dragged a wild 20 feet up the bank and who thought the limit was 4 cohos told me Army and Navy told him to go there...I immediately told him dragging wilds onto the shore like that is wrong and unnecessary, he has since stopped. but anyways the most frusterating aspect of spots becoming more popular is flat out the amount of GARBAGE left behind. ridiculous amounts of garbage left all over the place, no matter where it is the more people the more garbage. Now I have to inform people how to treat the fish, inform people about the regs and clean up mass amounts of garbage left behind by them. At times it is more frusterating witnessing this then it is enjoyable. But I do get a sense of accomplishment by hopefully educating those who need educating. Also to a less serious degree most everyone there is now using the same lure I've used so most local stores are now sold out! :'(
I guess all one can do is try to educate those who need it...and be wary of who you're telling spots and the like to, often by telling one wrong person, you're telling a multitude of people who inevadibely will bring the beeking and the garbage and so on...it is better to keep a spot to yourself then to go bragging, nothing good can come.
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Very well said.
See, some people understand lol.
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--I thought that was the point of going to a local tackle shop rather than Canadian Tire.
--The shop offers information and advice it is part of the service expected... they should know their customers and advise them appropriately.
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--I thought that was the point of going to a local tackle shop rather than Canadian Tire.
--The shop offers information and advice it is part of the service expected... they should know their customers and advise them appropriately.
Exactly. If not for info, Why would I go pay $9 for a lure when CT sells it for 5.50? Knowledge is a key part of the tackle shop experience. It's always a good place to start in an unfamiliar area.
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BINGO! Hatchery systems can handle more pressure than wild systems. TheFishingLad must be on a level far above everyone here like others have pointed out as he can't even say if it is a hatchery system or not. My guess would be that it is a hatchery system (as most are in the LML) however he won't say that because he already knows what would come next. A tackle shop mentioning systems in shop is not a big deal although some discretion should be used, mentioning them online in reports is another thing (smaller systems). Most shops will not talk about wild systems in shop unless it is with a person they know well. Fairly rare to see them reported about online in reports by shops, although it does happen to certain systems.
Waders leaked, phone got destroyed, new dress uniform and boots needing prep for Remembrance Day, all valid reasons for my absence. As you said most systems here are hatchery. Please see '7119's comment above for details and how to fish as a Borg.
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when i first started fishing as a young lad, there was no internet to tell me where or how to fish...everything was word of mouth and when i reached the age where i was required to have a fishing license i learned techniques and honed my skills by doing research and from trial and error....the difference was when licenses were issued, they also included the booklet of regulations and the fishing synopsis. Nowadays, people expect and feel entitled to go out and catch fish without taking the time to really learn anything on their own.
If anything, I criticize tackle shops for creating hype, but to say they're ruining small systems is ridiculous. I would think the forums are more likely to divulge damning information than the shops themselves.
Google didn't help either.
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It is frusterating. I have a little spot on the Fraser that has gone from a few regulars 5 years ago to a quite popular fishing spot with many people regularly there. One fellow there who dragged a wild 20 feet up the bank and who thought the limit was 4 cohos told me Army and Navy told him to go there...I immediately told him dragging wilds onto the shore like that is wrong and unnecessary, he has since stopped. but anyways the most frusterating aspect of spots becoming more popular is flat out the amount of GARBAGE left behind. ridiculous amounts of garbage left all over the place, no matter where it is the more people the more garbage. Now I have to inform people how to treat the fish, inform people about the regs and clean up mass amounts of garbage left behind by them. At times it is more frusterating witnessing this then it is enjoyable. But I do get a sense of accomplishment by hopefully educating those who need educating. Also to a less serious degree most everyone there is now using the same lure I've used so most local stores are now sold out! :'(
I guess all one can do is try to educate those who need it...and be wary of who you're telling spots and the like to, often by telling one wrong person, you're telling a multitude of people who inevadibely will bring the beeking and the garbage and so on...it is better to keep a spot to yourself then to go bragging, nothing good can come.
Try to organize a few friends and go in after the fishing season and do a cleanup, it does help and at least you get the garbage off the reparian zone to prevent it being washed down in the freshets. I know it is frustrating to have to do this but we have to try to be proactive. We at the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society have been doing this since 2002 and our last cleanup we had 300 people take part in the pouring rain removing 4 tonnes and many were young people so we think we are educating the next generation to respect our rivers and the environment
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Try to organize a few friends and go in after the fishing season and do a cleanup, it does help and at least you get the garbage off the reparian zone to prevent it being washed down in the freshets. I know it is frustrating to have to do this but we have to try to be proactive. We at the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society have been doing this since 2002 and our last cleanup we had 300 people take part in the pouring rain removing 4 tonnes and many were young people so we think we are educating the next generation to respect our rivers and the environment
Me and my bro do frequent garbage sweeps on our bars during and after fishing season. we find quite a good selection of weights, bar rigs and lures too. I'd challenge everyone who, to instead of walking over, wherever they go fishing next pick up the garbage on their way out or on down time. It doesn't take long and makes a world of difference.
good for you guys for removing that many tonnes of garbage off one river, it's unfortunate but I wouldn't want to imagine what it would look like without those cleanups. I'll be at the next one for sure.
tight lines
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Me and my bro do frequent garbage sweeps on our bars during and after fishing season. we find quite a good selection of weights, bar rigs and lures too. I'd challenge everyone who, to instead of walking over, wherever they go fishing next pick up the garbage on their way out or on down time. It doesn't take long and makes a world of difference.
good for you guys for removing that many tonnes of garbage off one river, it's unfortunate but I wouldn't want to imagine what it would look like without those cleanups. I'll be at the next one for sure.
tight lines
Excellent post, good nwork too and we look forward to seeing you at our first 2014 cleanup in April, date decided in January. We are getting close to 90 tonnes removed since 2002. :o
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As to sounding like a borg, don't get it lol. I wrote that post quickly and angerly. I grew up fishing a small stream in the LM and in my 25 yes of fishing that stream I have seen the damage the local tackle shop and the Internet has done to it by telling people that don't respect the resource the where and how to about that system. It's frustrating when you see someone new on the river and when you ask how they found the place they the local tackle shop. It has gone from a handfull of regulars to people in every run. I've seen wild coho and steelhead gutted for there roe and left in the bushes to many times.
We all hold a great power and responsibility to protect certain info. Somethings in life have to be earned.
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Every time I go fishing, I bring a garbage back with me. It stays in my vest, and when I'm done and the rod is packed up, I pull out the garbage back, fill it up with garbage, and throw it in my truck and head home. I STRONGLY suggest everyone do that too, we live in a beautiful province with world class fishing, and we need to keep it that way. Let the 90% of responsible anglers and good people, make up for the others who aren't.
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Every time I go fishing, I bring a garbage back with me. It stays in my vest, and when I'm done and the rod is packed up, I pull out the garbage back, fill it up with garbage, and throw it in my truck and head home. I STRONGLY suggest everyone do that too, we live in a beautiful province with world class fishing, and we need to keep it that way. Let the 90% of responsible anglers and good people, make up for the others who aren't.
Great work and so rewarding to see people like you doing this. ;D Lets hope more people take the initiative and do the same.We can and do make a difference and I wonder how many people on this forum do this on the small and other systems they fish?
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Chris mentioned about 4 tons of garbage being picked up!
That deserves a "thumbs up".
People that go out & clean the river's edge must also be tidy people. Bet their rooms are neat & tidy as well.
Some tv reporter was doing a feature in Vancouver & he witnessed a parked vehicle & people throwing garbage out the window. Ya know the type ,eat their fast food & out with the containers.
The reporter put the guys on camera & told them to pick up the mess.
They just sped off.
Some years ago we camped with a 16 ft trailer at a Fraser River bar in the Langley area.
Our German Shepard cut it's front paw very badly on some broken glass. Bet it was a beer bottle.
Anyways lots of blood thus wrapped the paw up with cloth & off to the vet.
Fishing trip cut short.
News spreads fast about good fishing on small systems. One guy knows & tells his friend, the friend tells his friends & they in turn do the same.
Bingo in a short time 100s then 1000's know.