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troutbreath

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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #105 on: June 19, 2013, 09:13:14 AM »

Really sad. Don't know who's sicker, the fish, the fishfarmers doing this, or the Canadian government for allowing them to dump all those chemicals into our waters. Almost unbelievable that people can support this type of farming.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #107 on: June 19, 2013, 06:36:22 PM »

Chris, do you actually read this stuff before you post it?
I think not as this is simply more east coast problems that are irrelevant to our aquaculture practices in BC.
"Many populations of Atlantic salmon in NB and NS and several Pacific salmon species are at risk of extinction according to the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC), so the risks from open-pen salmon aquaculture are especially important."
How ambiguous is that?

My question, what wild BC COSEWIC listed salmon stocks are impacted by salmon farms?  I believe two are listed, Cultus Lake sockeye being one.  How are salmon farms affecting this stock?

Now, what wild BC stocks are at risk of extinction from overfishing or habitat loss... I can name several, including several chinook stocks in our Fraser River backyard right now.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2013, 07:14:11 PM »

Chris, do you actually read this stuff before you post it?
I think not as this is simply more east coast problems that are irrelevant to our aquaculture practices in BC.
"Many populations of Atlantic salmon in NB and NS and several Pacific salmon species are at risk of extinction according to the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC), so the risks from open-pen salmon aquaculture are especially important."
How ambiguous is that?

My question, what wild BC COSEWIC listed salmon stocks are impacted by salmon farms?  I believe two are listed, Cultus Lake sockeye being one.  How are salmon farms having affecting this stock?

Now, what wild BC stocks are at risk of extinction from overfishing or habitat loss... I can name several, including several chinook stocks in our Fraser River backyard right now.
Its a world wide problem Dave.

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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #110 on: June 19, 2013, 08:56:30 PM »

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftouch.vg.no%2Farticle.php%3Fartid%3D10111318
Whatever that link said, sure much was lost in translation but ... what's it got to do with salmon farming in BC ::)

Jack squat.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #111 on: June 19, 2013, 09:18:58 PM »

So your saying it's OK to dump some pretty freaking serious chemical tonnage onto the ocean floor to get some dirty fish Dave.  :-\ Pretty sure they do the same crap here, when there not having to disclose it because of the reporting structure.

Best wine to serve with farmed "dirty style" salmon would have the quality of syrup of epicac. :P
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #112 on: June 19, 2013, 10:59:49 PM »

The concerns continue to spread.

http://cwf-fcf.org/en/discover-wildlife/resources/online-articles/funding-stories/our-beef-with-aquaculture.html#.UcDbvaZ4sIU.facebook

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Unlike land-based farming practices however, diseases, parasites, and food and pharmaceutical waste from finfish aquaculture operations freely flow from the open-pens into the surrounding marine environment.

Yep...no risk of diseases or parasites spreading from land-based farming.
http://www.oie.int/for-the-media/animal-diseases/animal-disease-information-summaries/
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/influenza/avian-eng.php

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Many populations of Atlantic salmon in NB and NS and several Pacific salmon species are at risk of extinction according to the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC), so the risks from open-pen salmon aquaculture are especially important.

I agree with Dave that this part of the article is ambiguous.  As outline in the Cohen Final Report, Pacific Salmon may experience a  wide range of stressors which can include aquaculture.  While Cohen did conclude that diseases from fish farm operations can pose a risk he also did say that there was no evidence that diseases were spreading out of control from BC fish farms.  Cohen made many recommendations and they included more than just aquaculture.  If the author is going to start talking about Pacific salmon species at risk then he needs to not leave out the other stressors as they are important also.

For instance, there was no mention of climate change, marine conditions, contaminants, loss of habitat, migratory conditions along the Fraser (water temperatures and discharge).  In fact, Cohen concluded that the single greatest risk to Fraser Sockeye during upstream migration is increasing water temperatures (Volume 2; Chapter 5 Findings, page 117).  Late-run Sockeye that have been entering the Fraser 3 to 6 weeks earlier than normal are experiencing water temperatures 5 deg. C. warmer than normal.  There was also no mention of declining productivity which is not exclusive to Fraser River Sockeye.  By avoiding a balanced discussion of the available evidence, the author tends to lead the reader to there being one cause for declines (aquaculture), but it is unrealistic to (in my opinion) to believe that one single thing leads to a decline or a mortality event.  It is more likely a interplay of different factors that leads to these declines or mortality event.  Many of the salmon carcasses you see on the spawning grounds can have many endemic pathogens in them, so it is often difficult to say what killed the fish.

TB, instead of saying something that Dave clearly didn't say, why don't you try to understand what he was getting at in this quote.

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This position is in alignment with the conclusions of many other agencies concerned with the state of wildlife in Canada including Atlantic Salmon Federation, the Royal Society of Canada, and the federally appointed Commission of Inquiry into the Decline of Sockeye Salmon in the Fraser River (i.e. the Cohen Commission).

Actually part of this position is not in alignment with the recommendations from Justice Cohen. This is what Cohen actually said:

Recommendation #18:
If at any time between now and September 30, 2020, the minister of fisheries and oceans determines that net-pen salmon farms in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2) pose more than a minimal risk of serious harm to the health of migrating Fraser River
sockeye salmon, he or she should promptly order that those salmon farms cease operations.


Recommendation #19:
On September 30, 2020, the minister of fisheries and oceans should prohibit net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2) unless he or she is satisfied that such farms pose at most a minimal risk of serious harm to the health of migrating Fraser River sockeye salmon. The minister’s decision should summarize the information relied on and include detailed reasons. The decision should be published on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ website.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #113 on: June 20, 2013, 09:36:43 AM »

Marine Harvest continues to demonstrate their irresponsible environmental stewardship.....

http://forargyll.com/2013/06/sepa-has-case-to-answer-as-foi-reveals-toxic-sea-bed-residues-below-nearly-20-of-salmon-farms/

"15 of the 28 fish-farms with samples in breach of Environmental Quality Standards for Slice are operated by Marine Harvest (Scotland) Limited.

Although Marine Harvest is the biggest operator in Scotland of salmon farms and is shortlisted for the Stewardship Award at tonight’s Crown Estate sponsored Marine Aquaculture Awards 2013, this is a higher than expected number of breaches from Marine Harvest farms."

Of course the feedlot boys will likely insist that Marine Harvest has an impeccable record in BC (or is it just that they havn't been caught yet).  ???
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #114 on: June 20, 2013, 07:34:19 PM »

Alexandra Morton
So... with the heated debate whether toxins in Norwegian farm salmon is a threatening unborn babies, warnings hidden by government for 7 years as sushi consumption sky-rocketed, four of Norways largest markets threaten to stop selling farm salmon until it lowers the toxins, Russia is questioning importing it anymore and a French article suggests the Norwegian government will do anything to protect the industry....Norway offers to boost its ownership of Cermaq (farming here as Mainstream) to help the struggling farm salmon multinational to keep producing farm salmon. What IS IT about this industry that governments find so attractive!

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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #115 on: June 20, 2013, 10:47:01 PM »

Did you notice that a AVC is missing off the list of ISA reference labs.  Must be an OIE conspiracy, Ms Morton.

http://www.oie.int/en/our-scientific-expertise/reference-laboratories/list-of-laboratories/
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #116 on: June 21, 2013, 06:00:17 AM »

Alexandra Morton
So... with the heated debate whether toxins in Norwegian farm salmon is a threatening unborn babies, warnings hidden by government for 7 years as sushi consumption sky-rocketed, four of Norways largest markets threaten to stop selling farm salmon until it lowers the toxins, Russia is questioning importing it anymore and a French article suggests the Norwegian government will do anything to protect the industry....Norway offers to boost its ownership of Cermaq (farming here as Mainstream) to help the struggling farm salmon multinational to keep producing farm salmon. What IS IT about this industry that governments find so attractive!


Donations to the ruling parties.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2013, 07:40:25 AM »

Even the Norwegians are threatening to ban the sale of the feedlot product in their major grocery stores:

http://www.nosalmonfarmsatsea.com/archives/663

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« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2013, 10:22:18 PM »

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The thunder roles on in Norway:

The clock rounded 0730. He stood up, checked their e-mail. A new message caught his attention: a picture of the first page in the INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE. Titled "doctors and professors about farmed salmon: don't give to the children." One of its titles sounded; "May produce brain damage."

Christian Chramer, Communications Director of the Norwegian seafood Council, did not have to fight to rub the sleep out of his eyes. He was wide awake.
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Close to the worst scenario
So the first page in the country's most widely read newspaper, with such a title and picture is tight up against the worst case. Tight up against the worst scenario. Early on a Monday morning. We had not received any prior notice that such a thing could come, "he told the northern lights.

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