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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: BH123 on June 26, 2007, 04:08:46 PM
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Little late on the report, but here it is. Fished Monday, June 25. Float fished the creek mouths above and below Hope and bar fished the mouth of the Cocahalla for most of the day. No fish using these techniques. Then switched to bottom bouncing and hooked my first chinook of the year on my 5th cast....Go figure. My dad hadn't even got his line in the water. 18 lber....Bonk.... We ended up hooking another chinook about 10 casts later. 25 lber.....Bonk... 20 foot leader was the magic ticket. What a waste of time trying to get them to bite eggs. I even had fresh sand shrimp to go with the eggs??? Go get em as there are lots in the river.
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nice fish good to see the fish are flowing through and people catching. were they reds or white springs?
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Nice Red man. Looking forward to one of those myself. Hopefully this long weekend. ;D
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nice fish , good report
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there are whites in the system now . More reds though! Forget bait if you have a boat, try back trolling k-15 kwickfish! DEADLY! pics to follow, i have a few more to fill my roll!
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Please stop bottom bouncing...
You're going to have the river closed to all fishing if you keep it up...
Nice fish though.
Nicole
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lol !!! nice fish !!!
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Thanks for the correction, I guess now the DFO notice is official... The other one was more of a concept...
Cheers,
Nicole
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>:( I agree, no need to bounce springs! they are very aggresive! Save it for socks......... if you want an opening! ::)
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in 15 years of selective fishing the fraser i have caught two socks bar fishing! not trying to start an argument here , but the amout of socks that will take a glo is nada! I have caught a ton of steelies bar fishing the fraser and 2 socks. Put the numbers of socks that come through the fraser compared to steel, Its uncomparable!
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Ditto with my history of barfishing too... 2 socks... And everyone crowded around, in disbelief... It's really rare.
Be prepared to be correcting alot of anglers out there... Or else we'll all lose spring season... It sounds like there are quite a few springs in the river from all the reports I've been hearing (not internet).
Protect your opening, I was part of a protest along with chris gadsden back in 1986 to fight for the right to keep these fish... BCTV came out, and so did DFO... It was a big deal back then, and we as anglers have so many rights now...
Lets all be smart out there, and be sure to not screw up what has been worked for so hard...
Cheers,
Nicole
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"in 15 years of selective fishing the fraser i have caught two socks bar fishing! not trying to start an argument here , but the amout of socks that will take a glo is nada! I have caught a ton of steelies bar fishing the fraser and 2 socks. Put the numbers of socks that come through the fraser compared to steel, Its uncomparable!" Which is why they have the No fishing for Sockey regulation.
Sweet fish Brad.
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your right it's a sad story there, but all i can do is my part when i see people improperly fishing or doing anything else that is considered " unsportsmanlike "! I hope that others will have the guts to approach, inform others of there stupiditys / iggnorance! i will also say i had a bit of both in me up until about for years ago! so !!!!
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CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!! COME REAL BUTIES! Lookin forward to takin out the bar rods sooon....hopefully....
O ya and vedder reds ;D
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wow, looks like i will be BOUNCING, this weekend :)
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I opened a bomb shell with this report. Wow. I was not aware of the DFO notice. I did not hook or see any sockeyes when I was out. My dad and I rod's doubled over and both times they were chinook. I don't see a problem with bottom bouncing if I did not catch any socks or see any caught. I did see several native nets. I feel large gill nets are more of a threat to the socks than my sweeping leader. Until a start catching socks or the DFO puts out statistics on how many anglers catch early socks, I will continue BB. How do we know if any socks are in the river any way if there is no test fishery. For some of you, go to the general discussion area and trash BB. I am reporting my day of fishing which included 2 springs and no socks. This info is useful for some hoping to catch chinook(s) this long weekend.
Both fish were reds and they tasted great on the barbe.
"River Walker" I have caught 2 socks on k15 kwickfish. One on the Skeena and one on the Fraser.
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Ditto with my history of barfishing too... 2 socks... And everyone crowded around, in disbelief... It's really rare.
Be prepared to be correcting alot of anglers out there... Or else we'll all lose spring season... It sounds like there are quite a few springs in the river from all the reports I've been hearing (not internet).
Protect your opening, I was part of a protest along with chris gadsden back in 1986 to fight for the right to keep these fish... BCTV came out, and so did DFO... It was a big deal back then, and we as anglers have so many rights now...
Lets all be smart out there, and be sure to not screw up what has been worked for so hard...
Cheers,
Nicole
So true Nicole, we are on a very slippery slope these days and if too much of this activity takes place in the days ahead we will lose so much that you and many others have worked so hard to attain.
We have a meeting tomorrow to put the final stamp on fishing ethics document that deals mostly with the Chilliwack Vedder River but it goes hand in hand with the Fraser River in many minds.
FOC and MOE will be at tomorrow's meeting so we may hear more on the game plan what is going to happen if the notice is no adhered too.
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Thanks for the report. Just woder how the water conditions looked like when you were out fishing.
Cheers,
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So BH123 you are going to continue to bottom bounce despite the request not to do so by the DFO? If you do it just shows your greed and total lack of respect for our resource. Did you know that the nets that are out there are for springs? Which means the sockeye can swim right through the holes in the nets.
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Like so many other people out there believe that it is their right to BB the Fraser when asked not to. " I just spent $40k on this boat and I plan fishing when and how I want." I have seen and experienced many like this and it will only get worse until they shut it down.
I get the impression that they impose the regulations but without enforcement there will always be A$$Holes who insist on breaking the rules.
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It kinda makes more sense to bar fish, because all fish hooked bit out of their own will, which means all those fish fight hard because they are fresh!
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You can't enforce anything unless you got the people out there to do it....Kind of like you can't have peace without might...Very few of these guys will stop unless they see or are smacked hard by your DFO....I found it very interesting to be fishing down here on our skagit last week...Our fish and game is out in force, they have been handing out tickets for illegally caught fish and the hatchery has um on ice till the trial...Guy at the hatchery said most are just bad adipose fin cuts caused by the machine they use now instead of woman...BUT, the fact remains, no one even thinks of keeping anything that might get um ticketed and their gear taken away, big fines and loss of fishing rights for 5 years...
You need to put teeth into your laws too or guys will tell you to blow smoke, just like is happening here...
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I hate these bottom bouncing threads but:
*why have any opening if a run is threatened
*the ceremonial or whatever opening should be closed if the stocks are threatened
*recrational fishermen get last place after the the commercial and First Nations right to fish (read the Skeena thread)
*more recreational fishers than both other groups catch less fish overall anyway
*I don't feel we should be given the shift because of DFO regs that seem biased, and promote a disrespect for the regulations in general
*recreational fishers provide more bang for the buck than the others, so if money is the issue we should be first consideration
*we don't have a business lobby behind us so it's an uphill battle having our say (join angling organizations that protect our rights).
Chastising other fishers because of there technique on the Fraser (I hope not to see that on other rivers though for Krist's sake) just pits the recreation group against each other. I know some people can accurately BB for Springs by choosing the right slot on the Fraser so good for them. Bar fishing for Springs has been around for ages and should be promoted as a more ethical way of fishing, but again if it's for conservation close it down for everyone. Nets do way more damage. The commercial fishers have wiped out more runs. Native guys using nets have the same affect.
Disclaimer: these are my opinions for the moment :)
I don't see the point in threatening a closure for the recreational sector and leaving the drift nets and call it conservation. I'm calling B.S.(that doesn't mean Big Steel)
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there's an awful lot of arguing and preaching going on in here for a "fishing report thread". Take it to the discussion page. Much appreciated. :(
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I think it is funny as heck to watch everyone take it too far !!! it is like most of the members on this site just can't wait to start judging, preaching and bashing other members.... makes for entertaining reading !! it is also the main reason another certain site sucks !!! ;)
TH
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I think it is funny as heck to watch everyone take it too far !!! it is like most of the members on this site just can't wait to start judging, preaching and bashing other members.... makes for entertaining reading !! it is also the main reason another certain site sucks !!! ;)
TH
That's cause your a pink panty wearing floss machine...
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hahahahahahahaahahaahahaahaha ;D now if you put thoes on your bait loop nothing but SPRINGS!
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I think it is funny as heck to watch everyone take it too far !!! it is like most of the members on this site just can't wait to start judging, preaching and bashing other members.... makes for entertaining reading !! it is also the main reason another certain site sucks !!! ;)
TH
That's cause your a pink panty wearing floss machine...
What's you're point ???
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So BH123 you are going to continue to bottom bounce despite the request not to do so by the DFO? If you do it just shows your greed and total lack of respect for our resource. Did you know that the nets that are out there are for springs? Which means the sockeye can swim right through the holes in the nets.
Just a quick point. DFO's request doesn't come out and say Bottom Bouncing. It says selective fishing techniques. Why don't they just come out and say BB'ing? Noone can get a ticket for for bottom bouncing. It would not hold up in court and DFO knows it. They are to vague on the topic. Why?
So what are they doing? They are driving a wedge between the sport fishing community. You have the side that is dead set against BB'ing and the side that has been out there doing it for years and knows that they are having a very minimal affect on the Sockeye population. I guess we are much easier to handle if we are always fighting amoungst ourselves and not working together. Saddest and oldest trick in the book, and you know what.... every year we fall for it. ???
My guess is that if DFO is planning on closing the Fraser, they will do it no matter how many people are out BBing and they will do it only to Sportfisherman. But that is a big "if" and I don't see that happening for a long time. So I will barfish, but if I get the urge for something different, I will go out and use another method. I am one of those many that doesn't seem to have a problem NOT catching sockeye while fishing for Spring. Believe it or not, doesn't bother me in the least. The people I have fished with have seen it time and time again. BTW, They are good at not catching sockeye BB'ing when fishing for early Spring. Infact the only 3 Sockeye I saw caught last year in the early part of the year were on Bar rigs. Go figure.
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I actually dont have a problem with BB'ing anymore. Since it is perfectly legal. I now have a different take on it. I call it a harvest and I wish they would call it the same. They should change the way it is done but I believe it does have its place. Right now is not that time.
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Personally I'm going to do some gill netting in my 10 foot cartopper this weekend,(because I dont want to offend anyone and bottom bounce). then I will sell my extra springs. (because we all know I wont catch any sockeye in my net cause' its special).
see ya out there
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I don't get out much but when I do fish I bottom bounce the Fraser. For the harvest, not sport. Reading these anti bb'ing post again makes me want to fish more. Until the DFO states in plain english 'no bottom bouncing' everyone should get off their high horse with their holier than thou attitude and try to use there efforts to change the language of the law. This will stop me from bouncing and nothing else!
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I don't get out much but when I do fish I bottom bounce the Fraser. For the harvest, not sport. Reading these anti bb'ing post again makes me want to fish more. Until the DFO states in plain english 'no bottom bouncing' everyone should get off their high horse with their holier than thou attitude and try to use there efforts to change the language of the law. This will stop me from bouncing and nothing else!
It is coming closer to happening each year.
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So BH123 you are going to continue to bottom bounce despite the request not to do so by the DFO? If you do it just shows your greed and total lack of respect for our resource. Did you know that the nets that are out there are for springs? Which means the sockeye can swim right through the holes in the nets.
Just a quick point. DFO's request doesn't come out and say Bottom Bouncing. It says selective fishing techniques. Why don't they just come out and say BB'ing? Noone can get a ticket for for bottom bouncing. It would not hold up in court and DFO knows it. They are to vague on the topic. Why?
So what are they doing? They are driving a wedge between the sport fishing community. You have the side that is dead set against BB'ing and the side that has been out there doing it for years and knows that they are having a very minimal affect on the Sockeye population. I guess we are much easier to handle if we are always fighting amoungst ourselves and not working together. Saddest and oldest trick in the book, and you know what.... every year we fall for it. ???
My guess is that if DFO is planning on closing the Fraser, they will do it no matter how many people are out BBing and they will do it only to Sportfisherman. But that is a big "if" and I don't see that happening for a long time. So I will barfish, but if I get the urge for something different, I will go out and use another method. I am one of those many that doesn't seem to have a problem NOT catching sockeye while fishing for Spring. Believe it or not, doesn't bother me in the least. The people I have fished with have seen it time and time again. BTW, They are good at not catching sockeye BB'ing when fishing for early Spring. Infact the only 3 Sockeye I saw caught last year in the early part of the year were on Bar rigs. Go figure.
Thats right Dave. How many sox did we catch last year when we where out for springs NONE. In fact in all the years that you and I have fished together I can only remember one and that was just before a sox opening when there was alot of sox's in the river. Why is that because the areas we fish we know where the holes are that the springs hold in. We get multipule hook ups but no sox. When the sox's do open we don't fish these areas because they are not productive for sockeye.
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I think it is funny as heck to watch everyone take it too far !!! it is like most of the members on this site just can't wait to start judging, preaching and bashing other members.... makes for entertaining reading !! it is also the main reason another certain site sucks !!! ;)
TH
That's cause your a pink panty wearing floss machine...
What's you're point ???
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I actually dont have a problem with BB'ing anymore. Since it is perfectly legal. I now have a different take on it. I call it a harvest and I wish they would call it the same. They should change the way it is done but I believe it does have its place. Right now is not that time.
Got to agree. bb when there are tons of soxs. take your 2 and go home. At this time I think we can selectively fish for springs with out putting the more sensitive runs at risk.
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That's cause your a pink panty wearing floss machine...
What's you're point ???
Perhaps that Xgolfman is homophobic and using a gay reference is the worst he can call someone? ???
Could you clear this up for us Xgolfman? It's a an inflammatory choice of words.
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Ok then float fish them, i hooked 2 while float fishing pinks on the fraser. 2 ft leader and a piece of pink wool. biggest "dink" float you can find, and as much lead as that float can hold.
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That's cause your a pink panty wearing floss machine...
What's you're point ???
Perhaps that Xgolfman is homophobic and using a gay reference is the worst he can call someone? ???
Could you clear this up for us Xgolfman? It's a an inflammatory choice of words.
You did not know? rick and norm are a couple, sometimes they let merc join in.
When is the wedding?
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Actually, they're more like inbred cousins who married each other. I'm the DNA police. ;D ;D
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Wow, did this totally get off topic in a real bad way..... :P ;D ;D
So.... who is going bouncing this weekend? ;D ;D
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Ill be bouncing the vedder sunday with some green wool. And a little bit of red.
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I bet freak bounces, as he runs down from the grind. ;) ;D