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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: DC1980 on November 20, 2013, 05:49:55 PM
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What's is with all the wild coho? I think I have caught about 18 cohos this year, all wild but 3. Only took one home. I don't know if it's the rivers I am fishing but this is frustrating. Don't get me wrong I am still enjoying everyday I go fishing, maybe I just have bad luck. I go fishing with bro and after a couple hrs he has 2 nice hatchery coho lying on the beach. While I get lots of catch and release practice.
Being pretty new at this does 3/18 hatchery coho sound normal to you guys or is this just the luck of draw.
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You are not the only one so don't feel so bad. had similar experience both on the salt and local rivers this season.
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i enjoy seeing the wilds shows a good strong population, for me i dont mind at all catching wilds all day.
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It's been interesting this year actually. Lots of wilds in the rivers that I fish which are only suppose to have wilds. Also lots of hatcheries the times I have fished on the Vedder, etc where I am aloud to keep.
I also fish a couple rivers on the island that aren't suppose to have hatchery fish, and some days we are catching up to 30 hatchery/day... talk about straying :o Too bad you're not allowed to whack em on those rivers...
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Even the Stave was 50/50 this year, usually 1 in 15 for wild
Everywhere else I fished forget about clipped ones lol
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Don't worry I used to be in the same position as you, only catching wilds, back when I first started fishing. But after years of figuring them out, I have zeroed in on just hatchery Coho and rarely catch wilds. Takes time to get to this point, but the more time you spend on the water the better youll get.
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Even the Stave was 50/50 this year, usually 1 in 15 for wild
Everywhere else I fished forget about clipped ones lol
Are you fishing the stave from a boat? I have spent many days there caught a ton of chum but no coho. I was floating a blade there today hoping to find some late coho. Had 3 chums hit it in about 30 minutes, surprisingly one was really fresh. I have kept about 5 out of there but I bonked this one. I haven't seen a single coho caught on the west side.
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My average for the system I was fishing this year was close to 10-1 wild over hatch.
Don't feel so bad.lol
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Are you fishing the stave from a boat? I have spent many days there caught a ton of chum but no coho. I was floating a blade there today hoping to find some late coho. Had 3 chums hit it in about 30 minutes, surprisingly one was really fresh. I have kept about 5 out of there but I bonked this one. I haven't seen a single coho caught on the west side.
No almost all my Stave fishing was from shore, this year and last year more so was excellent for coho there, location and water level is everything, though the crowds and poor behavior is almost omnipresent now making it tough i hear even for the locals lol.
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1 hatchery in over 30 fish!! However I was never fishing in a crowd, the few people I did run into were either people I knew or just friendly people.
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Same here. lost count on how many i caught this year but wilds were everywhere. maybe 5 to 1 ratio. Most of my hatch's were in the first two weeks of october. I feel your pain after every release.
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1 hatchery in over 30 fish!! However I was never fishing in a crowd, the few people I did run into were either people I knew or just friendly people.
Same. Only 2 hatchery all season, but worth the seclusion. The only person I had to share the river with in my last outing was my 8 year old...well, him and the "jig guy."
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Ive caught 2 wilds and about 12 hatcheries this season. Thats on 3 different rivers. Seems the norm to me, but great to hear about all the wilds being caught ;D
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heck, even some of the jacks i caught this year were wild...but for the 15 good sized fish i did manage to land, 8 of them were wild.
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I mix it up a lot and fish many different flows and I have to say, aside from the generally hatchery flows( rivers that are mostly hatchery run where its inevitable that the hatcheries and wilds mix) give me a wild fish any day. Why? Because we're sport fisherman and we want to get the most fun we can out of a days fishing. The wild fish fight that much harder in my experience and are just a pure joy to catch. Plus how can one not want to hold something completely wild as opposed to something man has aided. I fish the vedder and similar flows for the same reason as everyone else, cause I like to have some salmon in the freezer but in the end give me a river with mostly wild fish because they make an outing even more enjoyable in my opinion. Nothing like having a wild fish go completely nuts then getting to hold and let go something that just feels so different from something man has helped create. Its like a special feeling almost. Also I fished 4-6 days a week this season so I lost count of how many coho but I must say I enjoyed each and every one :)
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Only caught 3 coho this year between my bro and I. Two were hatch's (one jack) and one was wild
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Best day this season was 11 coho landed. Not a single hatchery out of the bunch. Not complaining though. Happy to just be catching fish.
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Early on I got 50% hatchery. The last 3 weeks almost all wild and I know 8 of the last 9 were wild. Been a great year in my books, More days out but hooked more this year then the last 10 together.
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What's is with all the wild coho? I think I have caught about 18 cohos this year, all wild but 3. Only took one home. I don't know if it's the rivers I am fishing but this is frustrating. Don't get me wrong I am still enjoying everyday I go fishing, maybe I just have bad luck. I go fishing with bro and after a couple hrs he has 2 nice hatchery coho lying on the beach. While I get lots of catch and release practice.
Being pretty new at this does 3/18 hatchery coho sound normal to you guys or is this just the luck of draw.
I have the same problem.. Only it's with Steel head. Every year my first 7-8 in a ROW are wilds then a few hatches in between then wilds wilds.. .
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"Don't worry I used to be in the same position as you, only catching wilds, back when I first started fishing. But after years of figuring them out, I have zeroed in on just hatchery Coho and rarely catch wilds"....what a crock of S***! you can't be serious ::)
Only way you could maybe stack the deck a little in your favour is to to avoid fishing high in the river (because the hatch fish may get thinned out as they go up) but I have cuaght plenty of hatch fish from allison up to the boundry. I have also hook 5 wilds in a roe near KW when 5 other guys each pulled in a hatchery fish each...its totally random/a fluke what you hook.
To suggest you can target hatch fish over wild is rediculous.
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Just luck of the draw I guess as most of my catches this year were hatchery fish. Whereas my fishing partner had 50/50 split.
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I volunteer up at the Seymour Hatchery. Late October we did a seine of the old dam pool. We checked 220 coho of which 20 were hatchery. Comes out to less than 10%. This is not an unusual percentage on that river.
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one quarter of the coho (excludes jacks) I landed were hatchery fish and all those were from the V-C. Every fish I took fro other FV systems were wild. Previous years it was about 50-50 I think this is a good thing since afaik hatchery production is relatively constant year to year so the big jump in wild fish indicates just how well coho are doing right now - looks like there is good spawning success, fry-smolt survival and most importantly good ocean survival. If only this could go on for the long term.
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I haven't really noticed a difference in my wild vs hatchery catch ratio. Seems to be hovering right around 20% like it usually is.
With that being said, once more the coho fishing has been excellent this year. Hopefully the trend continues.
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"Don't worry I used to be in the same position as you, only catching wilds, back when I first started fishing. But after years of figuring them out, I have zeroed in on just hatchery Coho and rarely catch wilds"....what a crock of S***! you can't be serious ::)
Only way you could maybe stack the deck a little in your favour is to to avoid fishing high in the river (because the hatch fish may get thinned out as they go up) but I have cuaght plenty of hatch fish from allison up to the boundry. I have also hook 5 wilds in a roe near KW when 5 other guys each pulled in a hatchery fish each...its totally random/a fluke what you hook.
To suggest you can target hatch fish over wild is rediculous.
::) ::) it's called sarcasm, lighten up.
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I am serious.I limited out on the vedder the last couple weekends.
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I am serious.I limited out on the vedder the last couple weekends.
Bigfisher is top rod.
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lots of wilds on the v for me which is great but not so many on rivers north of the fraser.
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I have the same problem.. Only it's with Steel head. Every year my first 7-8 in a ROW are wilds then a few hatches in between then wilds wilds.. .
X2 here. My worst (no complaint) year in wild/hatchery steelhead was 32/0. This year my coho ratio is about 50/50 for over 30 landed. This is a good year for coho though.
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You should be happy there's lots of wilds. Maybe they'll open it for wilds too,someday.
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Oh no. Keep the wild off limit. Let them spawn to protect the wild stock. There are enough hatch to satisfy the dinner plate.
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Only here would a fisherman complain of going out and catching lots of fish but only get to keep a couple of them. Be happy you are able to fish. Be happy you are able to catch fish when you go. Be super happy if you get to keep some at all.
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caught a pretty equal amount this year, probably a few more wilds then hatchery, some of the nicest ones were wild though. Feels good to let sucha beautiful fish continue on to spawn!
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Only one thing better than watching a fish swim away....watching a newbie release a fish for the first time. Coooooooooooool.
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nothing like a cold shower
Splash!
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77th Coho this year today. 50/50 Wild vs. Hatch this year it seems (Legit). Aiming for all miss clip one day ;) (Totally fisherman bull-manure)
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49 coho landed this year yesterday, 26 hatchery with 2 other misclips and not counting jacks (think 6 or 7 with only 1 wild) from 5 different systems. First year I have actually kept track but it looks to be around the same percentage every year with wild vs hatchery for me. Dad is about the same hatchery vs wild but he probably did not keep track.
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77th Coho this year today.
49 coho landed this year yesterday, 26 hatchery with 2 other misclips and not counting jacks (think 6 or 7 with only 1 wild) from 5 different systems.
Why do you count them? Is it a numbers' game or am I missing something?
I have no idea how many coho I landed this year (or any year for that matter), but I know this one was one great season.
Good enough for me.
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Why do you count them? Is it a numbers' game or am I missing something?
I have no idea how many coho I landed this year (or any year for that matter), but I know this one was one great season.
Good enough for me.
Because it is interesting to note. I caught a dozen coho yesterday and another 10 the day before and only one was a hatchery (a misclip at that). Others are getting ratios closer to 2:1 others are even or even getting more hatchery fish (apparently you can specially target hatchery coho). It is still the best season in recent memory for me, but I am intrigued by the "numbers game."
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Why do you count them? Is it a numbers' game or am I missing something?
I have no idea how many coho I landed this year (or any year for that matter), but I know this one was one great season.
Good enough for me.
I count them as well. It is not a numbers game, It is not to compete with people, it is not for any reason that most people assume. In fact, most people don't even know how many I caught this year, and that doesn't matter to me. It was definitely a fantastic season though - my best yet by far.
I do it for 2 reasons.
1) I keep an excel sheet for both coho and steelhead each year. I keep it for these 2 fish as they are the ones I target and enjoy the most and I like seeing the trends I get. It helps me determine if I am getting more efficient at targeting them, and how the runs are doing compared to what others are telling me. In the diary I keep along side the spreadsheet, I write down stuff that old timers on the rivers tell me, such as what other rivers to hit, when the one I was on peaks, techniques. At this point the diaries I kept the last 3 years are a great read and refresher on new things I need to try out, it helps me expand on things I would normally forget.
2) RUN TIMING. You wouldn't believe how much these simple spreadsheets and diaries help me plan my trips out on the island now. At times, I have it dialled down right to the day, especially for steelhead. Some people may think it's silly, but why wouldn't I spend 5-10 mins after each trip writing down conditions, and the date, and how the fishing was, when at times I am driving up to 3 hours to spots and spending $100's in gas while in university. I want to make my time on the water count, IMO no better way of doing that than keeping a diary and seeing trends after multiple years (and retaining info from people in the know).
One other interesting thing... It's kind of cool to see how the CPUE varies between winter steehead, summer steelhead and coho. This year it actually worked out that I had the exact same number of trips and hours somehow of summer steel vs coho. I definitely catch more coho/hour than steelhead lol, something like a little over double.
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Why do you count them? Is it a numbers' game or am I missing something?
I have no idea how many coho I landed this year (or any year for that matter), but I know this one was one great season.
Good enough for me.
Personal reasons. Personally, I count, take a quick photo then send them to my friends while they are at work. I'm still struggling to part angling with ego.
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I always start out counting.When it is a mediocre year by end of season I know exactly.On a great year like this one I lost count early.This was mainly due to the abundance of different species.Not just the ones I was targeting.I admire people who keep a journal as it really enhances the experience.