Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum

Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: mykisscrazy on January 23, 2012, 03:16:52 PM

Title: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: mykisscrazy on January 23, 2012, 03:16:52 PM


Sunday, December 11, 2011Less sodium sulfite in fish-egg bait will save young salmon
By Mark Freeman
Mail Tribune

September 02, 2011 - 2:00 AM

Fewer young salmon and steelhead will die after eating cured roe now that Oregon fish managers and Northwest industries have worked out an agreement to reduce toxic sodium sulfite in cures used to prepare roe for bait.

Meeting Thursday in the coastal city of Seaside, the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission narrowly opted not to impose a ban on the use of sodium sulfite, which has been added to commercial egg cures since 1980 as a mold-inhibitor. Recent studies have shown the cures kill young fish that eat it.

Instead of an outright ban, the commission accepted a deal brokered between state fish biologists and industry leaders that will lead to reductions in sodium sulfite to levels that research suggests will kill far fewer than 10 percent of the young salmon that eat it — a level deemed to be an acceptable risk.

Under the agreement, by Oct. 1 all cured roe, as well as compounds used to cure sport-caught eggs at home, must meet the new threshold. The eggs and cure also will be labeled "For Use in Oregon" when sold in stores.

Officials from the state Department of Environmental Quality and the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife support this approach, which includes a requirement that bait companies certify that their cures meet these new thresholds.

ODFW and the cure industry also will undertake a public outreach effort aimed at anglers and retailers on how to properly mix eggs and cures to keep sodium sulfite levels down, as well as use of nontoxic alternatives such as borax.

The cures are used widely by anglers targeting adult salmon and steelhead in Oregon rivers, which are home to juvenile salmon that also munch on the popular baits.

The commission vote was 3-2, with Commissioners Michael Finley of Medford and Bob Webber of Port Orford supporting a ban on sodium sulfite.

Commissioners Bobby Levy, Dan Edge and Holly Akenson voted in favor of the voluntary plan. Commissioner Jon Englund, president of Englund Marine Supply, abstained, and Commissioner Skip Klarquist was absent.

ODFW has identified eight companies that make egg cures sold in Oregon.

Liz Hamilton, executive director of the Portland-based Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association, said the agreement was unprecedented and that it represents a good way to solve a fish-resource issue without legislating an outright ban.

"We feel like this is the better approach," Hamilton said. "Everybody involved in fishing wants to make sure we're doing the right thing. People do put the resource first."

Charlie Corrarino, ODFW's conservation and recovery program manager, said the change puts Oregon in the lead in curbing toxicity in fish baits.

"I think most anglers want to do the right thing, and I think most anglers will respond to the information we have accordingly," Corrarino said before Thursday's meeting.

Angling groups in 2008 approached ODFW biologists with concerns that cured salmon eggs used as bait were killing juvenile salmon and steelhead.

Preliminary tests done that year supported anglers' concerns, and a more comprehensive study by ODFW and Oregon State University showed that significant numbers of young salmon and steelhead smolts and pre-smolts died after ingesting commercially produced cures that contain sodium sulfite.

ODFW managers met with egg-cure companies and asked them to consider eliminating sodium sulfite, and industry leaders countered with a request to find a reduced level that would be acceptable.

ODFW researchers further analyzed the data and decided that a maximum concentration of 12 grams of sodium sulfite per kilogram of eggs would likely result in an acceptable level of risk, according to the ODFW.
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2012, 06:18:47 PM
Interesting!
I'm an old time Chilliwack-Vedder guy who has also thought that perhaps the sodium sulphite in these bait cure products might impact gulls, eagles, crows, ravens, mergansers, goldeneye, scaup, water ouzels, and herons; then add in rearing coho, chinook, steelhead, char, sculpin and whitefish populations.
Hard to regulate, other than a total bait ban :)
Is the C-V ready for that???
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Sandman on January 23, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
Hard to regulate, other than a total bait ban :)
Is the C-V ready for that???

Absolutely! ;D
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
Absolutely! ;D
Sandman, on this one we agree :D
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: chris gadsden on January 23, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Sandman, on this one we agree :D
And you will soon agree with him on the other too!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: StillAqua on January 23, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
So cured roe is deadly to salmon because of the sulfites? I always thought it was the hook in the roe that did them in....... ;D
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2012, 08:48:34 PM
And you will soon agree with him on the other too!!! ;D ;D
Don't hold your breath ;)
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Sandman on January 23, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Don't hold your breath ;)

Aw, c'mon, we Daves need to support one another!  I will support your push for a Vedder bait ban ( ;)) and you support my push for a ban on open net pen salmon farming.
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
Aw, c'mon, we Daves need to support one another!  I will support your push for a Vedder bait ban ( ;)) and you support my push for a ban on open net pen salmon farming.
Sorry Dave (?), I'm all for open net salmon farming ;) but would be happy with a bait ban on the C-V.  Hell, if it was up to me this river would be fly only March 1 to April 30 ;D
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Bassonator on January 23, 2012, 09:38:33 PM
Sorry Dave (?), I'm all for open net salmon farming ;) but would be happy with a bait ban on the C-V.  Hell, if it was up to me this river would be fly only March 1 to April 30 ;D


x2
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: buck on January 25, 2012, 02:41:38 PM
 Dave, your dreaming again.
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: troutbreath on January 25, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
You have to wonder what that power bait type stuff does to fish.
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2012, 04:14:00 PM
Buck - I know ;D
Troutbreath - good point.  What is that stuff made of?
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Bassonator on January 25, 2012, 04:24:12 PM
You have to wonder what that power bait type stuff does to fish.

Ive often wondered that too, I use to use powerbait on stillwater never used it on the flow though. There was an article in STS magazine a few years ago by the owner of procure, and the effects of scent on salmon and steelies, wish I still had it.
He goes on to say that ( I might have this my friend backwards) that sulphides attact the Steelies and nitrates the salmon, quite an intersting article. I kind of find it funny though that they decided to keep the sulphides in cured roe but to decrease it "to an acceptable risk".
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: KP on January 29, 2012, 04:55:24 AM
Fracking flea flickers climbing on thier high horse trying to take control again.  Time for an old fashioned beat down again!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Interesting Atricle - cured roe if eaten by jv salmonids may kill them
Post by: Casey Martin on January 30, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
He goes on to say that ( I might have this *** backwards) that sulphides attract the Steelies and nitrates the salmon, quite an intersting article. I kind of find it funny though that they decided to keep the sulphides in cured roe but to decrease it "to an acceptable risk".

there was a fishing show yesterday where they were fishing roe in Oregon and the guy went on about how he has a big base batch of roe that he keeps in the cooler and will take out a small chunk and add sulphides or nitrates too it and if they start to hit more with extra sulphates or nitrates he will adjust his whole cooler of roe accordingly, pretty discusting if they are that bad for the fish.