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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Bill on March 21, 2013, 04:43:06 PM
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I was at my local tackle shop yesterday and the topic came up about a local supplier sold this shop Atlantic Salmon roe. The owner of the shop did not notice this until one of his customers mentioned that the roe was not the normal size and there was a difference in color. The shop owner called his supplier and asked him what is up with this roe he bought, well he was told that it is Atlantic Salmon roe and it is legal to sell in B.C.. The owner of the tackle shop told the supplier to come and get his roe which he did and went on to explain that there was no local B.C. roe available at that time? Now from what I have been reading the virus is in the roe, is there a chance this virus can survive right up to the point were it is used for fishing, I found this very odd that this roe is allowed in our system.
Bill
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I was at my local tackle shop yesterday and the topic came up about a local supplier sold this shop Atlantic Salmon roe. Now from what I have been reading the virus is in the roe, is there a chance this virus can survive right up to the point were it is used for fishing, I found this very odd that this roe is allowed in our system.
Bill
What virus might that be?
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ISA Virus. Infectious Salmon Anemia
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I was at my local tackle shop yesterday and the topic came up about a local supplier sold this shop Atlantic Salmon roe. The owner of the shop did not notice this until one of his customers mentioned that the roe was not the normal size and there was a difference in color. The shop owner called his supplier and asked him what is up with this roe he bought, well he was told that it is Atlantic Salmon roe and it is legal to sell in B.C.. The owner of the tackle shop told the supplier to come and get his roe which he did and went on to explain that there was no local B.C. roe available at that time? Now from what I have been reading the virus is in the roe, is there a chance this virus can survive right up to the point were it is used for fishing, I found this very odd that this roe is allowed in our system.
Bill
I doubt a wild fish would even want to eat that stuff.......... ::)
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I doubt a wild fish would even want to eat that stuff.......... ::)
Lol! Good line af ;)
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To answer your question Bill, if the atlantic roe is infected - and there is a high chance that it is - then it is possible for the virus to remain dormant in the roe and be spread to wild river. However, many factors would act against the virus from the point it was harvested to the point that it is used - i.e., frozen and thawed multiple times, microwaved, etc. - which would reduce the chance of transmitting the live virus from the farms to the wild river.
However, the fish you are catching likely already have the virus or something else, as they would have likely swam by multiple fish farms at least twice - during outmigration, and upon their return.
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I am kind of curious, where would Atlantic salmon roe come from?
Wouldn't fish farms harvest salmon well before they become heavy with roe?
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To answer your question Bill, if the atlantic roe is infected - and there is a high chance that it is - then it is possible for the virus to remain dormant in the roe and be spread to wild river. However, many factors would act against the virus from the point it was harvested to the point that it is used - i.e., frozen and thawed multiple times, microwaved, etc. - which would reduce the chance of transmitting the live virus from the farms to the wild river.
However, the fish you are catching likely already have the virus or something else, as they would have likely swam by multiple fish farms at least twice - during outmigration, and upon their return.
Are they eggs from the Washington Atlantic feedlots? Really doesn't matter. Their wild salmon have to swim past their farms and could pass that bad stuff onto our wild salmon.
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ISA Virus. Infectious Salmon Anemia
I'm curious Bill. Which of the salmon farms or hatcheries is infected with ISA?
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I'm curious Bill. Which of the salmon farms or hatcheries is infected with ISA?
It's difficult to tell..... the feedlots keep their disease records secret.
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Another one of your pointless trademark non-answers. Come back when you have some facts that might answer the question.
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It's difficult to tell..... the feedlots keep their disease records secret.
but are committed by law to report any outbeak of several diseases, including ISA. Hasn't happened... if ISA was compromising farmed Atlantic's there would be thousands of morts and Ms. Morton would be wetting her pants in glee.
Last I heard she was asking for more money to further the eradication of salmon farms in BC, considering running in the May election and lastly, quitting the whole thing because not enough Canadians were backing her. Tomorrow may be different.
Silver ghost, why do you think there is a "high chance" these eggs are infected with ISA?
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Another one of your pointless trademark non-answers. Come back when you have some facts that might answer the question.
Good to see at least one person is reading my responses.....
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It's difficult to tell..... the feedlots keep their disease records secret.
What did the Cohen Final Report have to say about ISA....or maybe Justice Cohen was being secret also?
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What did the Cohen Final Report have to say about ISA....or maybe Justice Cohen was being secret also?
You need to put away your Cohen history book already..... that's old news.
Show me some disease reports from specific feedlot locations that have been recorded since Cohen forced the feedlot industry to provide them for his review....
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Good to see at least one person is reading my responses.....
Blah, blah, blah, blah blah......................
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I'm curious Bill. Which of the salmon farms or hatcheries is infected with ISA?
I don,t recall mentioning anything about hatcheries or fish farms in my original post.
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If you had stocks in fishfarms the last thing you want to see is dem go down. ::) Which leads to why some folk like da farm. :o
I would invest in a treatment for ISA.
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I'm curious Bill. Which of the salmon farms or hatcheries is infected with ISA?
I don,t recall mentioning anything about hatcheries or fish farms in my original post.
Let me walk you through the logic behind my question.
Where do you suppose all the Atlantic Salmon in BC come from? If the virus is indeed in the eggs, it must come from the fish carrying the eggs. Therefore, if the virus is in the fish it must come from the farms or the hatcheries. The only circumstance where that would not be true is where the virus is endemic to the region in which case, wild fish are already constantly exposed to it. The problem with that theory is that it would result in all farmed Atlantics being exposed to it as well, and with the greater susceptibility of Atlantics to the virus, would result in constant and frequent ISA outbreaks on the farms.
Since ISA testing is mandatory on the farms and hatcheries as well as in the best interests of the farms, and since positive results are legally reportable, the presence of the virus on the farms and in the hatcheries will be known and reported and that record must exist if the eggs are indeed infected.
You are claiming the Atlantic eggs are carrying the virus. I am asking you if you can support your claim that Atlantic eggs carry the virus by showing the record of infected farms or hatcheries, a record that must exist if the eggs are indeed carrying the virus, or whether you are saying that like the birth of Christ, the presence of ISA in the eggs is a case of immaculate conception.
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Now from what I have been reading the virus is in the roe, is there a chance this virus can survive right up to the point were it is used for fishing, I found this very odd that this roe is allowed in our system.
You are claiming the Atlantic eggs are carrying the virus. I am asking you if you can support your claim that Atlantic eggs carry the virus by showing the record of infected farms or hatcheries, a record that must exist if the eggs are indeed carrying the virus, or whether you are saying that like the birth of Christ, the presence of ISA in the eggs is a case of immaculate conception
I m not claiming any such thing if I am guilty for browsing through this form and others so be it I asked a simple question and got a reply from (silver ghost) thank you. Like I said I was at my tackle shop and this topic was brought up pretty simple.
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There are two equally important preconditions required for Atlantic roe to be able to pass on the virus to wild stocks. One is that the virus could survive up to the point where the roe is used for fishing. The other is that the virus actually be present in the roe in the first place. An answer to the question you asked dealing with the first precondition doesn't provide any information about potential risks to wild stocks from fishing with the roe without an answer to the second question about whether the virus is actually present in the eggs and therefore on it's own doesn't address your concern about infecting wild stocks.
Despite what you read on the internet, a little critical thinking can usually clear up any question.
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Let me walk you through the logic behind my question.
Where do you suppose all the Atlantic Salmon in BC come from? If the virus is indeed in the eggs, it must come from the fish carrying the eggs. Therefore, if the virus is in the fish it must come from the farms or the hatcheries. The only circumstance where that would not be true is where the virus is endemic to the region in which case, wild fish are already constantly exposed to it. The problem with that theory is that it would result in all farmed Atlantics being exposed to it as well, and with the greater susceptibility of Atlantics to the virus, would result in constant and frequent ISA outbreaks on the farms.
Since ISA testing is mandatory on the farms and hatcheries as well as in the best interests of the farms, and since positive results are legally reportable, the presence of the virus on the farms and in the hatcheries will be known and reported and that record must exist if the eggs are indeed infected.
You are claiming the Atlantic eggs are carrying the virus. I am asking you if you can support your claim that Atlantic eggs carry the virus by showing the record of infected farms or hatcheries, a record that must exist if the eggs are indeed carrying the virus, or whether you are saying that like the birth of Christ, the presence of ISA in the eggs is a case of immaculate conception.
There are two equally important preconditions required for Atlantic roe to be able to pass on the virus to wild stocks. One is that the virus could survive up to the point where the roe is used for fishing. The other is that the virus actually be present in the roe in the first place. An answer to the question you asked dealing with the first precondition doesn't provide any information about potential risks to wild stocks from fishing with the roe without an answer to the second question about whether the virus is actually present in the eggs and therefore on it's own doesn't address your concern about infecting wild stocks.
Despite what you read on the internet, a little critical thinking can usually clear up any question.
Blah, blah, blah, blah blah......................
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You need to put away your Cohen history book already..... that's old news.
Show me some disease reports from specific feedlot locations that have been recorded since Cohen forced the feedlot industry to provide them for his review....
Funny how fish farm critics wanted the Cohen Inquiry but don't really like what it says. Facts just get in the way of good old fashion speculation, huh? What a drag.
In the future, fish health data gathered through DFO’s Fish Health Program will be made available on this website.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/reporting-rapports/health-sante-eng.htm
I thought it was already mentioned a bunch of times that diseases like IHN and ISA are federally reportable diseases.
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I hope your not trying to say that fish farmers are consistantly verifiying that those diseases are not present, and are manditorly being reported. Why the h,e, doulble hockey sticks are they getting 60 million to get there poop in a pile then jacko?
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I would add my 2 cents, but I'm broke...
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Funny how fish farm critics wanted the Cohen Inquiry but don't really like what it says.
However "fish farm critics" believe that to ensure good health it's important to get a checkup on a regular basis rather than just once in your lifetime....
Apparently feedlot proponents think since the feedlots released their disease records one time, the public should be satisfied that they are disease free forever?!?
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Apparently facts and logic don't fit in the small box.
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-- I don't get the side track... I think the question is legit...before buying I would want to know where it came from.
-- There seems to be a huge protocol for import of eggs due to the fear of disease transfer so I think reasonable to ask where these came from and that they are from a legal supply.
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The question of origin may be legitimate but the assumption that the eggs are infected with the ISA virus is not. The assumptions that domestic eggs in a farm hatchery are not screened or that they come from brood fish that are not tested are also not legitimate. The sidetrack addressed those assumptions until the sidetrack got sidetracked.
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However "fish farm critics" believe that to ensure good health it's important to get a checkup on a regular basis rather than just once in your lifetime....
Apparently feedlot proponents think since the feedlots released their disease records one time, the public should be satisfied that they are disease free forever?!?
Big mystery....you didn't read the link. Correction...However "fish farm critics" do not like the facts so they ignore them even when they are shown them.
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I hope your not trying to say that fish farmers are consistantly verifiying that those diseases are not present, and are manditorly being reported. Why the h,e, doulble hockey sticks are they getting 60 million to get there poop in a pile then jacko?
What part of the facts don't you like? The part where fish farmers routinely monitor the health of their fish which can be found in Cohen Vol 1, the link I provided previously as well as this one:
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/ahc/fish_health/
Or the part where diseases like IHN and ISA are federally reportable diseases (http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/aquatic-animals/diseases/reportable/isa/eng/1327197013896/1327197115891)?
Or the part where when a federally reportable disease was found that action was taken by both the fish farmers and the CFIA?
http://www.marineharvestcanada.com/news051612.php
http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Fatal+virus+detected+Atlantic+farmed+salmon+first+time+since+2003/6627628/story.html
http://www.mainstreamcanada.ca/ihn-virus-detected-second-tofino-area-farm
Are you trying to tell me that fish farmers are not routinely testing their fish for diseases that can cause mass mortality or that they are not fufilling their legal obligation for reporting federally reportable diseases? Any facts you wish to provide at this time?