Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: preacher on September 14, 2004, 08:20:03 PM
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Hi
My brother just gave me a nice 10 wt fly rod and reel. The only problem is that it comes with floating line. I realize that some sort of sinking line would be best on the Vedder. Does anyone have any suggestions on getting the fly down without getting new line and new spool?
Thanks
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Weighted flies.
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I do have some weighted flys. I am just not sure if this is enough weight to get it to the fish. I have heard of some that use split shots or weighted addition to the fly line. What kind of line do you use on the Vedder?
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I use a Rio multi tip system
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if you want you can make your own sink tips using leadcore lines and cutting it to different sizes. just make 5ft length 10 ft lenght and 15 ft length using lc13 leadcore line. the 5 ft length would be best because not so much of a belly for the vedder.
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use tiny split shots and drift glowbugs, works great with a dryline
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just got the rio sinking tip for Anglers West. Gonna try it on Monday. Thanks for the help
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FLYallAROUND
I have spoken to several people over the years while fishing different rivers who tie they'r own sinking tips as you have described and they all agree that it is better than using splitshot . splitshot is ugly to cast
good advice
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also if you accidently knick your rod with the split shot say goodbye as it WILL break sooner or later if it is graphite. same goes for beadheaded flies.
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You won't regret the Rio multi tip system.
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The technic FlyAll is refering too, making your own sinktips with lead core line, is commonly known as leadheading. I have found that leadheading with a dry line is the most versatile system for covering rivers, by alowing you to cover all zones of the water column, surface to bottom, by ajusting the amount of lead "you" build into youir line.
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I've done some deep water trolling before and have used a lead core lines. All I know about it is the strength designation (ie. in lbs.).
What does an lc13 lead core designation means?
Does lc13 means it is 13 lbs line?
Could someone explain this in more detail. I am interested in it because it sounds like a cheap way to cover all the different depths.
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good question Jack I never though about it.
The dacon coated lead core I use seemed strong so I never though of the lb test rating. I tie it into my leader and check it regularly. When it starts to look worn I replace it (a spool last for ever). I have yet to have one of my leadheads fail after in the six years I have been using them (landed more than a few 25lb+ Chum & Spring). Beats the "H" out of using weighted flies like I uses to do.
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with my under standing on the LC13- "lead core" the number 13 i believe is stand for the sink rate. Like under normal, stillwater condiction, it should sink at about 13 inches per second.
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Thanks for the info everyone. This should help me get the unweighted flies to where the fish are. I would not have to use the 'chuck and duck' technique of casting weighted flies. ;D
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Max,
I just completed my modification. What I did to my line are as follows:
1. I cut off 10' from the tip of the flyline.
2. I use Cortland Slip-On Leader Loop to each of the cut ends. I did not not use Fenwick brand as it is soft and would cause hinging.
3. Do the same as on step 2 to the 5' and 10' LC13-Leadcore.
This gave me 3 interchangeable tips. For Vedder 5' and 10' is all I would need. If I need to get any deeper, I'll just create another one that's longer.
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Yes, I cut off 10' of the my fly line. What I cut off, I turned it into another tip that I can attach using the loop when I need to do a dry fly presentation. This has to be done so that the line doesn't get too heavy. If the line you are casting get to be too heavy for the rod --your rod might overload and break when making long cast. If you are using an 8 wt slow action, cut 15' instead of 10'. This is so that you don't overload your rod.
If you tell me what your rod weight, make and model as well as the maximum depth you are planning to fish. --I can make the calculation for you. LC13-Leadcore is rated at 13 grains/ft. That is what 13 stands for which consequently is the standard for measuring the sink rate in IPS, Inch Per Second (ie. 13 gr/ft sinks at approx. 13 IPS in still water).
If you have other questions and/or clarification that needs to be done, let me know. I'll do my best to help.
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I put little loops at the ens of my leadcore tips buy pulling back the dacron at the end and snipping off about 3/8" of the lead but leaving the dacron. I then bend over the end to form the size of loop that I want and wrap the loose end to the length with flytying thread. Make a nice taper over 3/4" really locking the tag over then multiple whip finish knots. I'll make up multiple lengths with loops on both ends. If I'm not happy with the colour of the lead core I use a permanent felt marker and colour it. Then I drape the sinktips over something so I can easily coat the thread wrapping with Aqua-seal. I've never had a Spring, Chum or snag pull one apart. This works great.
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wow sounds like alot of work I hope it works for you as long as you enjoy yourself and hopefully hook into a fish. fish on dude! and on and on and on cool have fun!!!!