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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bass Master on September 07, 2005, 09:26:06 AM
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With it being last day of sockeye season lets see how the numbers tally up. ;D
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I took up golf...but I think I'm still more proficient at fishing! lol. I finally got out there. For one day, although I don't really care for the shoulder to shoulder stuff, I am pleased to report, that the gentlemen, fishing on either side of me were just that...gentlemen. There was no yelling and screaming. no punching and kicking. when I got hooked up with another guy way up the bank, he actually totally appologized and admitted that perhaps he had let his line drift too far. I told him no prob. I assume, it's not always going to be this nice, (not just because I am a chick...hehe) but it was nice to get out there anyways, and have a nice time. admittedly though, I must say, once or twice at pegleg is enough for me. Rodney, I'll let you know when I'm gonna bbq up that fillet!
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Ya I fished there for a few hours the people around my sister and I were really nice. Even after fishing I stayed to see others fish (see if I can pick up some pointers) and didn't see anyone that's rude. (at least not in the stretch I was at)
Not a bad experience for us.
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0 in the Fraser and 2 out on the WCVI. I dont BB and never will. Hopefully one day it gets banned.Talking to tackle shop owners they say they would welcome the ban since more people would have to barfish and barfishing is more expensive than BB'ing.
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Bar fishing more expensive? Not always true. How often does one lose bar rigs? Not many. For me for the past 18 years, never lost a bar rig.
But first time BBing? Lost 2 weight. :-\
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I only kept two on opening day in the pm. After that I realized why I hate fishing for sox. The crowds where crazy, half the people there don't care about others, and the mess left behind after just one day was sickening. It should be renamed to meat fishery not sockeye opening. I am glad that most of the fishermen that fish for sockeye only fish sox's. Simply because they only know how to fish that way.I could only handle that one day of fishing after that day I said forget it only reason I went that day was a co-worker wanted me to go with him and my daughter also wanted to fish other wise I never would of gone.
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that sucked!
I go on a hunting trip leaving last wensday and get back yesterday only to work the last days of the opening >:(
at least i got some deer to put in the freezer..
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Bar fishing more expensive? Not always true. How often does one lose bar rigs? Not many. For me for the past 18 years, never lost a bar rig.
But first time BBing? Lost 2 weight. :-\
Are you a tackle shop owner? If not than I guess you really dont know. I spoke to 3 owners who all said the same thing. So you only own 1 bar rig? 1 spin n glo? 1 12-20oz weight? If you fish the Fraser the barfishing setup is not always the same depending on where you fish. In faster current you use spin n glos. In slower current you are using roe or other forms of bait. Not too mention buying scents. I dont lose much gear either but I am always trying new things and buying new things.
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I am not, but my neighbour is. Good for you that you are trying things out. Initial aquisition, bar rigs cost more, there is no doubt. But the recurrence expense is higher for BBers, people bar fishing just does not loose their rigs easy.
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eddie, isn't it possible that the owners are telling you that so they can get rid of their overstocked bouncing betties and fireline for the season? ;)
I have to agree with Bwi Bwi, barfishing would be a lot cheaper than flossing (not bottom bouncing, that's a totally different technique ::) ) in the long run. The weights used when barfishing are rarely lost, ask people how many bouncing betties they lose during each sockeye trip. :) The chance of breaking a rod, snapping the line, birdnesting, etc etc etc is also larger when you're flossing.
My setup for bottom/bar fishing in tidal Fraser River is pretty simple, I just use either my spin or drift gear depending on the size of the fish that I am targeting.
fishin chick, hmmm bbq sockeye... :) I heard that you went fishing and forgot about your friends last week? ;) Get ready for the Vedder. :D
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If the owners are trying to get rid of their overstock they are asking the wrong person... While barfishing the upper river I use braided line which costs a small fortune. While fishing the lower river I use a slightly smaller setup.
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what makes me laugh is people who whine about the sockeye fishery not being a sport...but in turn will brag about how great bar fishing is....
right... having your line set out with a bell or clicker, while you sleep or drink beer.
yah vern... that's sports fishing at its best.... hee haw yippy ky yey. :P
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what makes me laugh is people who whine about the sockeye fishery not being a sport...but in turn will brag about how great bar fishing is....
right... having your line set out with a bell or clicker, while you sleep or drink beer.
yah vern... that's sports fishing at its best.... hee haw yippy ky yey. :P
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Can we please try to keep the "my way is better than yours" from flaring up again?
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While barfishing the upper river I use braided line which costs a small fortune
Last time I checked so did all the flossers. Only they go through 2 or 3 spools a year cause they birdsnest more frequently.
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what makes me laugh is people who whine about the sockeye fishery not being a sport...but in turn will brag about how great bar fishing is....
right... having your line set out with a bell or clicker, while you sleep or drink beer.
yah vern... that's sports fishing at its best.... hee haw yippy ky yey. :P
Atleast we are not snagging fish...... :P
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Drinking in public area is actually illegal.
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what makes me laugh is people who whine about the sockeye fishery not being a sport...but in turn will brag about how great bar fishing is....
right... having your line set out with a bell or clicker, while you sleep or drink beer.
yah vern... that's sports fishing at its best.... hee haw yippy ky yey. :P
Atleast we are not snagging fish...... :P
Unable to read a polite request above? ::)
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what makes me laugh is people who whine about the sockeye fishery not being a sport...but in turn will brag about how great bar fishing is....
right... having your line set out with a bell or clicker, while you sleep or drink beer.
yah vern... that's sports fishing at its best.... hee haw yippy ky yey. :P
Atleast we are not snagging fish...... :P
Unable to read a polite request above? ::)
I can read but you have to atleast give me a chance for a rebutle. As far as drinking in a public place goes I dont bar fish where there are 100 people. Usually the only people that are there are my friends since we have spots that nobody ever goes. I wouldnt drink in a place where their are kids hanging around.
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hahaha eddie, why would they convert to bar fishing if its more expensive, also if that method is so hot why are you 0 for 12 trips or whatever this year. lmao :-*
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yikes
snagging is what happens in the lower fraser
you know
heavy wieght with two big hooks towed behind
no matter if barb or not
i realy wish you anti bb guys would spend your time worrying about
this fishery as it is far more destructive and actually illeagal
ps there is alot of it happening
my two cents
;D
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hahaha eddie, why would they convert to bar fishing if its more expensive, also if that method is so hot why are you 0 for 12 trips or whatever this year. lmao :-*
Your right I am like 0-12 but I always have fun. If you read my posts I always state its not always about how many fish you catch its about getting out and having fun. To me fishing shoulder to shoulder with 100 people is not fun. I have been doing just fine with the pinks though. Got 4 of them on Monday. Getting them ready to be smoked as they are soaking in my special brine. Coho season is upon us and I will be back out barfishing for them. I also float fish for salmon on local rivers and creeks. I also do a ton of flyfishing which is the most expensive by far.
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I always state its not always about how many fish you catch its about getting out and having fun.
That's my line when I get skunked ! ;D
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Well - I only got out twice - Fri and Sat (Sep 2 - 3). Got 4 sox in the freezer. Limited out each trip by 9:00 AM. Left after I got my limit as I don't believe in pressuring the sox. I also left the fly rod at home as I hate carrying lots of gear around and I never risk leaving extra gear in the vehicle. That's asking for trouble! Hope everyone had fun! :)
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[ I always state its not always about how many fish you catch its about getting out and having fun.
it sure is fun to at least catch at least one fish though
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[ I always state its not always about how many fish you catch its about getting out and having fun.
it sure is fun to at least catch at least one fish though
Dont get me wrong it is fun to catch fish but I dont get disappointed when I dont. I do a ton of trout fishing in creeks,streams, and lakes. Their are a bunch of times when I get skunked especially in the LM. The challenge is finding the fish and having the right fly. I dont use anything else for trout other than my fly rod as its no fun to catch trout any other way. Exploring, and locating fish is half the fun.
Barfishing with 10 friends and having a BS session is allot of fun. Its a time to get together and do something you enjoy.
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Go up to a person who doesn't fish, and ask him or her, "Why do people go fishing?"
Most likely the reply will be, "To catch fish."
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Most people who start out fishing because they want to catch a fish. Take a kid out fishing, if the fish are not keeping him or her occupied, it is time to go home.
Most people who start out fishing in BC because they want to catch a salmon. People are lured into the sockeye fishery because of its tasty meat and a seemingly easy way of catching them.
As anglers grow if they choose to continue in this activity, they move onto other fishing opportunities in this province. Every type of fishing has a different fun element, some may enjoy it, some may not. The thrill of being able to bring home a couple of best tasting salmon home is what drives people back to the Fraser. Being able to share that thrill with a close family member or friend makes it even more attractive.
Some people, like me, enjoy fishing with only a couple of people around most of the time. In the wintertime I enjoy catching and releasing dollies and steelhead with itosh, chrome mykiss or trout slayer, doing it for the "sport".
Does that make me better than the other 200 people standing at Peg Leg this week? Not really.
The bottom line is, the Fraser River sockeye fishery is designated as a legal fishery. If someone chooses to participate in it, it doesn't make him or her an idiot, beek or moron. I choose not to participate in it because I find my thrill in other types of fishing, and the taste of sockeye doesn't lure me as much. Does that make me holier than those who choose to do it? Not really.
If you feel that drivers are driving too fast on a particular street near your house yet they are not exceeding the speed limit, what do you do?
Do you, yell at them to tell them to slow down?
No, you go to the source of the problem, those who designate the speed limit!
If people feel that the Fraser River sockeye fishery should be closed as it degrades the recreational sector (don't bother present statistical argument of how this fishery can destroy the salmon stocks, because it does not), then you should be voicing your thoughts to those who make the regulations - DFO!
It's not going to be me, I'll say that on the record, because I value my life, car, belongings when I go fishing in Chilliwack. It has been suggested by some of my colleagues that I should push for a closure, that's not going to happen.
What's the difference between two dead sockeyes from the ocean and two dead sockeyes from the Fraser River beside the fact that two are known to bite the hook for sure? Nothing, they're both dead. They both will not make it to the spawning ground to produce offsprings.
What's being debated is personal values, morals, ethics, which differ from one person to the next. There isn't a right or wrong, just like many other issues in life.
How is it ethical when a so-called sportsman dangle a natural or artificial food in the water to lure the fish closer. When the fish bites that piece of food, it feels a sharp object being pierced into its jaw. The pain causes the fish to struggle as it begins to breath heavily and swims around in fear. At the same time, it feels some force is pulling it closer to the surface and the pain in its jaw is getting worse. As it reaches the surface, a large hand grabs the fish in the air. The fish is now lacking oxygen, and feeling the burn from the sun. As this takes place, the sharp pain is relieved. The fish then drops into the water again and swims away slowly. It sits on the bottom, trying to recover while the fisherman has a sense of accomplishment because he or she just made hell in some living creature's life.
Now I bet this person sleeps better than those who have been standing at Peg Leg killing sockeyes for food, because... you know, he or she was ethical. ::)
Bait fishing, really ethical too, to kill a life to catch another one.
Playing a large marlin, one of the most magnificent fish in the world, on a fly rod to the point that the fish reaches exhaustion so the angler can obtain a world record, the fish bites the hook, but is it ethical?
Spearfishing, obviously not ethical, the fish didn't bite the spear.
In Japan, the unique fishing style for ayu salmon is done by hooking a live ayu on your line with a couple of trailing hooks, place the luring fish in another ayu's territory. Due to its defensive behaviour, the inhabiting fish will attack the luring fish, therefore hooked by the trailing hook. The tradition has been practiced for hundreds of years, normally only done by upper class anglers. Is it ethical?
Paddlefish in the US are filter feeders that cannot be enticed by natural bait on a hook or lures. The only existing recreational fishery for paddle fish is SNAGGING. The fish are literally snagged and pulled to shore for harvesting. The eggs are made into carviar due to their similarity to sturgeon eggs. Each year a harvest quota is given and the fishery is sustainable and brings tremendous amount of cash to the local businesses. Is it ethical?
The chairs, tables that you are using right now, or the house that you are sitting in, are made of wood. Wood, coming from the trees being cut down by the logging industry, is a vital resource for salmon bearing streams. We are endangering our salmon by reducing shading, increasing run-off in our watersheds. Ethical?
The problem I do recognize is that there has been a sharp spike of misinformed newcomers in the recreational fishing sector. People from the city, who are not as connected to the river, do not necessarily understand the mutual relationship between the river and its users. Issues such as garbage, fish species identification need to be emphasized.
Identify the issues, set your objectives, it'll make this small (sportfishing) community better. Coming here and arguing against each other is not helping, it only drives people away from the views that you believe in. The intentions are great, the approaches are not.
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I always state its not always about how many fish you catch its about getting out and having fun.
That's my line when I get skunked ! ;D
ya i always have fun when i get skunked. in fact, i enjoy it so much i'll brag about it to my buddies. then they'll beg me to take them out, so we can all get skunked together. ::)
ya what fun, we can have our little pow wow... talk... sing 'kumbaya'... maybe even roast some marsh mellows over the fire, then make shmores.....Damn fish. who needs them? ::) ;D
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Ayu fishing is actually a very high skill fishing technique. Mostly seasoned fishermen would have success. It's a fishery that beginners usually can't grasp in the first few tries.
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Well said Rodney. To debate whether a type of fishing is more ethical than another is really academic. It's like debating whether killing an inmate by lethal injection versus chopping off his head is more ethical. The result is still the same. Rather than educating the people in a constructive manner these "ethical" fishermen oftentimes resort to name calling, making threats or banning them simply because their views differ from them.
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7 days of opening, 12 tasty sox in the freezer and one's already made itself into my belly..... mmmmmmmm nothin tastes better than a freshly flossed sock on the barbeque, dressed with white wine sauce..... and I'll say mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm again.
also, not one bad experience this year everyone we fished beside were complete gentlemen.
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I always state its not always about how many fish you catch its about getting out and having fun.
That's my line when I get skunked ! ;D
ya i always have fun when i get skunked. in fact, i enjoy it so much i'll brag about it to my buddies. then they'll beg me to take them out, so we can all get skunked together. ::)
ya what fun, we can have our little pow wow... talk... sing 'kumbaya'... maybe even roast some marsh mellows over the fire, then make shmores.....Damn fish. who needs them? ::) ;D
You are pretty quick with the comebacks hey... Oh and how they are so clever.... If you dont understand the fun in fishing without catching fish I actually feel sorry for you. Also you get information from another site by lurking over there, another mature thing to do. I am not a meat fisherman I am a..............SPORT FISHERMAN!!!!!
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;D well i have 5 in the freezer and am very happy with that. had to save room for the coho and white spring to go in there also ya know. ;D
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I enjoy fishing - whether I catch anything or not. If I had to catch fish, then I CERTAINLY wouldn't be steelheading ::)
I am NOT a sport fisherman. I am, as my license states: A RECREATIONAL fisherman. Stop trying to make fishing a SPORT. It isn't! It's recreational.
I enjoy the recreation of fishing for sockeye (flossing), and the recreation of fishing for coho, steelhead (float fishing) as well as the recreation of fly fishing for trout. Do I catch things? Not always. Am I a "Meat fisherman"? No. I'm a RECREATIONAL fisherman, the same as ANYONE else that buys that little license from MWLAP/DFO :D
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I have to disagree with you Dragonspeed. Flossing for sockeye is a meat fishery plain and simple. Anyone who says otherwise is just saying that to make themselves feel better for what they are doing. I also don't agree with it only being recreational. Their are allot of sports out their that you could call recreational as well but it depends on how you approach it. I will explain to you how I justify calling it a sport.
For me searching for fish and exploring is part of the sport. If you cannot find the fish you wont catch anything. Once the fish are located you have to have an arsenal of flies, bait or gear otherwise you may not catch those fish. Even if you have the right gear etc that still does not mean they will bite. You also have to have the right presentation meaning it must be at the correct level in the water for the fish to see it. Their are so many factors that go into fishing especially for steelheading or trout fishing.
If I was just a barfishermen than yes I would call myself a recreational fisherman, but I try everything ( other than BB'ing that is ) so I consider myself a sportfisherman for the above stated reasons.
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Dictionary definition.
Sport
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
An active pastime: -recreation.
So fishing IS recreational.
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I am a speatfisherman (edit: or smortfisherman). I fish for the meat, as well as compete with my buddies on numbers. ;D
1. Meat or sport? (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/fishing/DSCF0017)
2. Meat or sport? (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/fishing/DSCF0004_001)
3. Meat or sport? (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/fishing/DSCF0003_001)
4. Meat or sport? (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/fishing/DSCF0002) <-- Bloody sport! :o
5. Meat or....? (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/fishing/DSCF0008) :-X
Is speyfishing more sporting than single handed flyfishing?
Is flyfishing more sporting than lure fishing?
Is lure fishing more sporting than baitfishing?
If I use articifials instead of roe when float fishing, is it more sporting, because it takes longer to hook into a fish?
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So many questions, unable to answer them, haven't reach the zen level in fishing yet... :-[
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Interesting - I did some looking up on definitions of "sport" - Certainly no standard there :( I guess we all are what we believe we are and as long as we follow the rules, we can keep being it :)
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What do you do with the bass you catch ?
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What do you do with the bass you catch ?
Now thats a legitimate question. well if its from clean waters I will cook them. If its from a murky slough than what Trout Slayer said is true. I never kill more than the legal limit though. I am pushing for an increase in the daily limit. Some people may disagree with what I do but its what I believe in.
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You are pretty quick with the comebacks hey... Oh and how they are so clever.... If you dont understand the fun in fishing without catching fish I actually feel sorry for you. Also you get information from another site by lurking over there, another mature thing to do. I am not a meat fisherman I am a..............SPORT FISHERMAN!!!!!
where was i lurking? any site i go to, i'm a registered member. if i happen to mention anything that's already been said, it's strictly by coincidence. if you're referring to a previous thread, well hey guess what. this is a public forum. what the hell do you expect? if you don't like people reading what you write, don't post. :P
who said i don't have fun when i don't catch anything? i'm saying i wouldn't have fun if it became a habit.
finally MR. SPORTFISHERMEN, maybe you should take the time to read RODNEY'S post, it might just enlighten you :P
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I dont need anyone to enlighten me. Beliefs are beliefs and opinions are opinions. When someone says something stupid its just that stupid. Its easy not to get skunked when you are snagging fish but personally I prefer my fish to bite.
You are pretty quick with the comebacks hey... Oh and how they are so clever.... If you dont understand the fun in fishing without catching fish I actually feel sorry for you. Also you get information from another site by lurking over there, another mature thing to do. I am not a meat fisherman I am a..............SPORT FISHERMAN!!!!!
where was i lurking? any site i go to, i'm a registered member. if i happen to mention anything that's already been said, it's strictly by coincidence. if you're referring to a previous thread, well hey guess what. this is a public forum. what the hell do you expect? if you don't like people reading what you write, don't post. :P
who said i don't have fun when i don't catch anything? i'm saying i wouldn't have fun if it became a habit.
finally MR. SPORTFISHERMEN, maybe you should take the time to read RODNEY'S post, it might just enlighten you :P
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Having degenerated far enough, this thread will now be closed. Thank you all for visiting.
Have a nice day.