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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: typhoon on January 01, 2012, 10:28:39 PM
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Fully spotted tail, white gums, adipose, lovely bronze complexion, maybe 3lbs, C&R Jan. 1.
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Pinks/unknown.jpg)
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Pinks/unknown2.jpg)
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coho jack
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No way man!! Thats a GIANT cutthroat congrats!! Were the heck did you score that!!?? Just kidding, looks like a coho but strange how the tail lools fully spotted
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another vote for coho
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hmm...not a coho jack because of the fully spotted tail, I want to say spring jack...but not sure about the mouth
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Springs have black gums and a spring would be pretty hard to come across in a river this time of year
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This is the fish I caught just above you today, fly fisher (on the Vedder). I assumed coho jack but didn't notice the tail spots until I downloaded the pics.
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Hmmm it looks like a big cutty besides the lack of spots below the lateral and lack a red slash (unless its not visible)
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it's clearly a peamouth chub.
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Sturgeon?
100% coho
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Im voting for coho jack, I have caught some late in the season with abundant spots before as well, although that was on some north side flows.
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that looks identical to a small coho i got last year on a slightly secret area i cant name. I dont think Cutty because i have never seen one with a grey coloured belly and my biggest cutty(same spot as the coho i got and was around 23inches) was in some pretty good colouring (pre or post spawn colours)
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First look tells me its a Spring Jack...
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i thought it was ur fish lol i instantly thought coho jack when i first saw it
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There is no way that is a cutthroat ::) . It's a late season coho jack
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Jack coho or peamouth chub. I can`t decide. ::)
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Maybe its a very very late spring or a very very very very early spring, stuff happens.
Not a chance. White gums rule that out!
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They wouldn't be that dark early or late. Early would be chromer. Late would be way darker.
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thats 10000000% a coho just blew the pic up huge the tail has no spots it just looks like it does
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I know it sounds crazy but this fish has many of the markings and characteristics of a young Atlantic Salmon.http://www.google.ca/search?q=salmon+identification&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=9t9&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=I have not seen Pacific fish with marks on their heads like that.
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thats 10000000% a coho just blew the pic up huge the tail has no spots it just looks like it does
It certainly has spots.
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considering the info provided by Riverman, such as the mouth terminating directly under the eyes, and the X shaped spots, I would also go with Atlantic salmon, but not sure about the tail. ???
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The mouth seems to be short because it's a female. I've caught and seen many more of these late run coho in my 20 years of fishing. They also have a nickname of chameleon coho because sometimes when you catch them they're chrome, yet as soon as you kill that thing it's darker than your boot lol.
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I would agree with the Atlantic ID, nice bronze colouring, but for the spotted tail. Since Typhoon only noticed the spots on the tail in the photo, it could be an optical illusion. The number of anal fin rays would have told you if it is Atlantic or Pacific (< 12 same as steelhead).
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If it was an atlantic, being that coloured, dont you think its spots would have lighter halos around them?
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The spots on the gill plate also look abnormally large.
I've heard of a Pinook (Pink/Chinook hybrid). Is there such a thing as a PinkHo?
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Im voting for coho jack, I have caught some late in the season with abundant spots before as well, although that was on some north side flows.
x2
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I caught one of these in Mid November except mine was silver, I was stuck on the ID because mine had a white mouth, both white gums and a white tongue? I just figured it was a coho and let it go.
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pinkhonookheadockeyethroat?
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If it was an atlantic, being that coloured, dont you think its spots would have lighter halos around them?
The halos are not as pronounced in maturing fish, especially hens (as opposed to males in full breeding dress). Could still be an Atlantic...certainly is a puzzler.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eVzPli2Bl10/SwcokPUIgYI/AAAAAAAAAXI/im49_6VxSHw/s1600/DSC_0086.JPG)
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its not an Atlantic,there are to many spots on its back,the spots are usually very few and spread out,also Atlantic's tend to have no spots on the tail,i would say it has more coho jack features than anything.
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Very likely a coho.
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Officially, I'd go with coho jack (white gums).
Unofficially, I'd go with coho/chinook hybrid jack - an uncommon, but documented occurrence.
Nicely done this late in the season! :)
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Hey Milo just out of curiosity if it is a hybrid like you said what does it fall under in terms of retention because you can kept unclipped springs but not unclipped coho could you kept it and say its a spring because its a hybrid if that is indeed what it is.
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Hey Milo just out of curiosity if it is a hybrid like you said what does it fall under in terms of retention because you can kept unclipped springs but not unclipped coho could you kept it and say its a spring because its a hybrid if that is indeed what it is.
Nope, I wouldn't keep it because officially it would be a coho. A CO would guide him/herself by the gums (as explained by an actual CO who saw this post).
That said, I don't think any angler worth their salt would actually retain a booty salmon like that, hybrid or not. ;)
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Interesting. I was not aware of Co-nooks, though in my web search all the fish looked like coho but had gray or black gums.
I wonder if the boys in the hatchery got bored and did some special mixing (??).
You would think if they were naturally occuring that there would be a lot more of them (i.e. coho looking salmon 20+lb)
I certainly saw it as a coho jack though it was a bit of a surprise.
Nice drift on the far side of the main current, float goes down, I set the hook, and whattttt??? Head shakes but it's certainly not very big (dolly maybe). I bring it in and see the golden colour when it is still 20 feet away. Take a couple pics and release ;D
The pictures are crummy because my camera was on macro mode.
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Hey, it made 3 pages of FWR so it did well ;D
Pretty sure that fish is a coho and not necessarily a jack. Small populations of late migrating coho are common in the lower Fraser tribs - right now in downtown Sardis there are coho spawning in Luckakuk Creek and I've seen coho in late January in Sweltzer Creek.
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What would you say this one is? (cabbaged from another forum...and they were pretty evenly split over what it is)
(http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/1364/filename/1364-09-25-07JackSalmon.jpg)
It looks to me very much like typhoon's fish.
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Thats a coho jack
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What would you say this one is? (cabbaged from another forum...and they were pretty evenly split over what it is)
(http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/1364/filename/1364-09-25-07JackSalmon.jpg)
It looks to me very much like typhoon's fish.
I would say Chinook with washed out gums, but only because it was caught in September and I'm assuming it had spots on the lower half of the tail.
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Coho
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hope these fish aren't in the next fish id contest haha
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hope these fish aren't in the next fish id contest haha
x2!!!!!!!!!
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hope these fish aren't in the next fish id contest haha
If these "difficult" fish aren't used more often that just means that you will never get better at correctly identifying fish. I think it would useful to have a more frequent test on the forum as many replys are wrong. However that is obviously completely up to the admins as people always want a prize or something. Would be neat if each time you correctly identified a fish from the mystery fish you got some sort of rank near your name as that could be a way to show that your a knowledgeable angler on the forum. I'd rather have a badge than the chance of maybe winning a prize lol
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I dont thinl that would be very fair because there is obviously not very many coho that look like that with full spOtted tails.
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If these "difficult" fish aren't used more often that just means that you will never get better at correctly identifying fish. I think it would useful to have a more frequent test on the forum as many replys are wrong. However that is obviously completely up to the admins as people always want a prize or something. Would be neat if each time you correctly identified a fish from the mystery fish you got some sort of rank near your name as that could be a way to show that your a knowledgeable angler on the forum. I'd rather have a badge than the chance of maybe winning a prize lol
for sure. I would learn a lot if they were on the test. And if you know your fish, you would have a higher chance of winning since most answers would be wrong but yea you will probably never see it again.
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I dont thinl that would be very fair because there is obviously not very many coho that look like that with full spOtted tails.
So I guess it would also be unfair for you to get a fine from a CO if you killed a wild coho thinking it was a chinook?
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Ya thats true i would just release if i wasnt sure though
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Spots on tails, gum and body colours and head shapes are all good first glance indicators of species and should be all that is needed for identification but won't always be 100% accurate. As an example I have seen spots on the lower caudal on a few coho, especially wild fish, and also spots on the bodies and tails of sockeye. It does happen but not very often.
If you are fishing the Vedder and can't tell if the fish you have just landed is a coho or chinook after eliminating all the fish it can't be and using all the other indicators, get a little bit of the slime on your fingers and breathe deep :D white chinooks, the stock most common in that system, generally have an unpleasant odour.
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These imo are definitely ho's and they are obviously in the system right now in decent numbers.
Caught one of these yesterday in the lower on a spinner as well, these fish seem to fight really lethargically, but hey a coho is a coho....I think the pronounced spotting is what throws people off.? I wonder how many of these have been caught by people thinking they caught a wild steelie
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If you are fishing the Vedder and can't tell if the fish you have just landed is a coho or chinook after eliminating all the fish it can't be and using all the other indicators, get a little bit of the slime on your fingers and breathe deep :D white chinooks, the stock most common in that system, generally have an unpleasant odour.
ROTFLMAO! :D :D :D
you kill me, dude.
In my experience, you can smell it from just tailing it.
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Agreed Milo ;D
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Spots on tails, gum and body colours and head shapes are all good first glance indicators of species and should be all that is needed for identification but won't always be 100% accurate. As an example I have seen spots on the lower caudal on a few coho, especially wild fish, and also spots on the bodies and tails of sockeye. It does happen but not very often.
If you are fishing the Vedder and can't tell if the fish you have just landed is a coho or chinook after eliminating all the fish it can't be and using all the other indicators, get a little bit of the slime on your fingers and breathe deep :D white chinooks, the stock most common in that system, generally have an unpleasant odour.
Another reason why trying to id a fish from a photo is a challenge, as you cannot always see the various features you may want to use (anal fin rays for example, or a clear view of the gums, tongue, etc). You should always use at least 3 features to positively id a fish before killing it, therefore do not be put off if you get the id wrong from a photo contest.