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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on July 04, 2019, 12:31:08 PM
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-river-rockslide-salmon-run-trucking-1.5199672?cmp=newsletter-news-digests-british-columbia
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-river-rockslide-salmon-run-trucking-1.5199672?cmp=newsletter-news-digests-british-columbia
They should leave the acoustic counter in and use it to enumerate fish. Between that site and the albian test could figure out how many fish going missing in between.
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you don't think some turn right at Lytton and swim up the Thompson?
I also think a 'test' fishery and an acoustic counter will produce different numbers. Maybe your way they will actually be fish added between Albion and the slide
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I hope governments don't drag their feet on this like they did with the Seymour slide
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I hope governments don't drag their feet on this like they did with the Seymour slide
I think we will see an Election time response to this and a touted win on salmon come october.
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So here are the NEW salmon openings for this year.
Aboriginal Fisheries have unlimited quota on sockeye and chinook until further notice because they can't get past the slide and will die anyway.
Commercial and Recreational fisheries are 100% closed until further notice because we need as many sockeye and chinook as possible to make it past the slide.
Laugh all you want....but that is how the pinheads in DFO will explain their decision making process.
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In the video did you see the salmon jumping?
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I was wondering if they could pick up fishes with a similar net they use for fire fighting. They could drop the net below the fall and release it above with choppers. Or is that too pricey for the DFO
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In the video did you see the salmon jumping?
I saw one. will go fish that spot LOL
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I was wondering if they could pick up fishes with a similar net they use for fire fighting
No
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No
But how about the net they use for badminton? Wouldn't that work?
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Fisheries and Oceans Canada and the Government of British Columbia to provide further updates on the Big Bar Landslide
Vancouver, B.C. – Officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the Province of British Columbia as well as a representative from the Upper Fraser Fisheries Conservation Alliance will to provide further updates and answer questions regarding a significant rock slide that occurred upstream of a narrow portion of the Fraser River near Big Bar. The obstruction raises concerns about whether salmon migrating upstream can reach their spawning grounds.
Date: Friday, July 5, 2019
Time: 4:00 – 4:30 pm (Pacific)
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But how about the net they use for badminton? Wouldn't that work?
It would work better than "a similar net they use for fire fighting".
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It would work better than "a similar net they use for fire fighting".
My vote is salmon cannon.
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I have a retired American fishing buddy that will drop some dynamite in there and clear those Rapids.
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I have a retired American fishing buddy that will drop some dynamite in there and clear those Rapids.
Of course that would also bring down more rock from the cliffs too.
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Of course that would also bring down more rock from the cliffs too.
And kill all the fish now waiting below the falls.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskD2oz4Nko
;D ;)
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And kill all the fish now waiting below the falls.
waiting for what?
to die.
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But how about the net they use for badminton? Wouldn't that work?
OK, how about the nets they use all across the river during the summer??
of should we just see how far the key concerns of DFO go?
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The latest update. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/emergency-response-and-recovery/incident-summaries/big-bar-landslide-incident?keyword=big&keyword=bar
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OK, how about the nets they use all across the river during the summer??
of should we just see how far the key concerns of DFO go?
Yeah, gill nets would work.
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/freeing-salmon-trapped-at-fraser-river-slide-site-the-focus-of-experts/?fbclid=IwAR0P6sJnP4sU6kShdvQhYoAGA0cqeYA8hnZ8FXaBWKIXiHHuAhrzLB3wiG4
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Another update https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/politicians-consider-trucking-helicoptering-salmon-trapped-by-rock-slide-1.5206198?fbclid=IwAR0ePUBtvy_SRGh1zafnO2OUpY3IyiqWZQrDEOCgeTVOWk9dB2YNZGnUA4E
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I believe its a dominant year for Quesnel and Chilko sockeye .. this could be devastating for some sockeye stocks on this cycle.
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It sounds like a large piece of rock broke off from the canyon walls and jammed in the narrows.
I am wondering if they can put some kind of inflatable device or devices around/under the rock to try to force it over the narrows.
Leaving the rock (or rocks) there and transporting fish over the narrows is not a long term solution.
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I believe its a dominant year for Quesnel and Chilko sockeye .. this could be devastating for some sockeye stocks on this cycle.
IT is, they were expecting a possible commercial/rec opening for the summer run group,
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It sounds like a large piece of rock broke off from the canyon walls and jammed in the narrows.
I am wondering if they can put some kind of inflatable device or devices around/under the rock to try to force it over the narrows.
Leaving the rock (or rocks) there and transporting fish over the narrows is not a long term solution.
What they really want to do is spending millions for study and watch the fish swimming pass the narrow
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What they really want to do is spending millions for study and watch the fish swimming pass the narrow
lol while spending years consulting with first nations only to do it wrong and get taken to court.
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Looks like the inventor of the salmon cannon is already working on a solution: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-river-rockslide-salmon-stuck-cannon-barge-passageway-innovation-1.5208894 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-river-rockslide-salmon-stuck-cannon-barge-passageway-innovation-1.5208894)
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They should call up Tod Hoffman and build giant sluice box and get those fish out of the glory hole they're stuck In.
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And it starts
https://islandfishermanmagazine.com/dfo-no-retention-of-chinook-over-80-cm/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_campaign=fa179620c6-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_07_12_10_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9fb1380858-fa179620c6-79129819
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https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=223139&ID=all&fbclid=I
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So...kiss bar fishery good bye, most likely Fraser pinks too...
I guess I did good by buying a lake boat.
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Those fish can get thru. I call my smelly socks. Just another excuse to shut the sports down.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rock-scalers-making-considerable-progress-clearing-area-above-fraser-river-rock-slide-1.5214400?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar&fbclid=IwAR2DFHFp3In_q4I0y1vIUNzAqRNcsMiXpsF8vV7V1-S86lRN1sQLt57lI-U
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a link to follow, sorry if already posted
{FYI that the following website link was circulated externally early last week & updated information will be posted on status of the Big Bar slide:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/emergency-response-and-recovery/incident-summaries/big-bar-landslide-incident?keyword=big&keyword=bar
You’ll note that there is a section near the bottom of this webpage titled “Response Updates” that should be updated regularly. Please continue to monitor this web page for updates on the situation.}
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Those fish can get thru. I call my smelly socks. Just another excuse to shut the sports down.
Conspiracy theories are abounding: They knew about it sooner than they said, and did nothing. The salmon can get through. It will be used as an excuse to shut out rec anglers. And the list goes on....
I get that DFO has a credibility problem, but it must be dark world to live in when you can impart no goodwill and everything is suspect.
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Conspiracy theories are abounding: They knew about it sooner than they said, and did nothing. The salmon can get through. It will be used as an excuse to shut out rec anglers. And the list goes on....
I get that DFO has a credibility problem, but it must be dark world to live in when you can impart no goodwill and everything is suspect.
Kind of hard not to think something is going on when I get told that FN are working tirelessly to make sure we dont dont get anything anymore. I waved at a group at the Alberni boat launch on Tuesday. The younger FN on board were friendly. The elder on board had a mouthful to say. Extremely racist filthy comments. I've never in my life had such rascit filthy words directed at me. Now I know what it feels lile I guess
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Sorry to hear that, but of course FNs have been experiencing that and worse for centuries. Now we have the conspiracy theory they are working behind the scenes to take away our recreational salmon angling privileges. Us vs them. The stranger who is like me but not me. What more can be done to raise tension and animosity around the whole issue? I am sure someone will figure that out in short order.
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Perspective:
(https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67494239_10157145255230856_2811385918655561728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQmsbD9WT8Mz92WkPNymuwCCAHxLnc_tjA2DyusSa-_P4oQKPt-b3OzNw3WZfaECpOo&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=51165e2d617d0f319e28752b8db14c4b&oe=5DA89F16)
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/latest-plan-is-to-fly-trapped-fish-by-helicopter-over-big-bar-slide/?fbclid=IwAR2sUa0CdQGNZB9xWze_TCd5-Uprcwnlh_ghuh3MTN5UYkWhNN7itOKtkjA
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Recent Drone Footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KytK3pYbfu4
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Recent Drone Footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KytK3pYbfu4
Fish jumps near bank at 1:16 in video, just before camera pans over a bit.
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This is interesting .. much was learned holding Cultus sockeye for spawning so I hope this is successful.
http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files2/19%2071W20AY%20Pilot%20Salmon%20Enhancement.pdf
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/sockeye-from-the-big-bar-blockage-on-the-fraser-river-heading-down-to-salmon-lab/?fbclid=IwAR0gZGQUxL9C9lolsNATITmbgEuXJYXmetHFaiW8peosoZkdJ3HP8CZOaEw
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Looks like the inventor of the salmon cannon is already working on a solution: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-river-rockslide-salmon-stuck-cannon-barge-passageway-innovation-1.5208894 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-river-rockslide-salmon-stuck-cannon-barge-passageway-innovation-1.5208894)
Interesting, that their (Whooshh Innovations) video is going viral:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1159888573514096640
They also have a proposal video for Big Bar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae5OiTiFDlQ
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Brilliant, though what are the chances of DFO using ...
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Hope they do something pretty quick here . There's a sort of big push coming up . Albion test showing a little spike of springs heading that way . Of course , less the ones offed by test nets :o .
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Hope they do something pretty quick here . There's a sort of big push coming up . Albion test showing a little spike of springs heading that way . Of course , less the ones offed by test nets :o .
Chinooks are not heading that way they are heading this way
This fishery notice amends FN0752 to clarify the area open to fishing in
Kamloops Lake. The full corrected fishery notice follows.
Chinook Conservation Measures
On April 16, the Government of Canada announced new fisheries management
measures to conserve Fraser River Chinook (see news release:
https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans/news/2019/04/government-of-canada-
takes-action-to-address-fraser-river-chinook-decline.html).
This announcement laid out highly precautionary fishery restrictions intended
to provide a high degree of protection to at risk Fraser Spring 4(2), Spring 5
(2) and Summer 5(2) Chinook returning in 2019. The management target is to
reduce overall Canadian fishery mortalities on these populations to near 5%
with the potential for fishing opportunities on specific salmon stocks to be
determined in-season.
Fisheries described below will not impact Fraser Chinook stocks of concern by
timing and locations in the terminal areas directed on South Thompson 4(1)
Chinook. The fishery will not impact Fraser 4(2) and 5(2) Chinook or sockeye,
and will not harvest fish affected by the Big Bar rock slide.
Discussions occurred between the Secwepemc Fisheries Commission and the local
Sport Fish Advisory Committee, and a recreational fishery on terminal 4(1)
Chinook within Secwepemc territory was agreed upon.
Below are open times for Region 8 and Region 3.
In Region 8:
Middle Shuswap River: No fishing for salmon in 2019
Effective August 16, 2019 to Sept.12, 2019 in the following waters you may
retain four (4) Chinook per day, only two (2) of which may be over 50 cm.
Lower Shuswap River:
- the Shuswap River upstream from white triangular fishing boundary signs
upstream of the Mara Bridge to Mable Lake, except no fishing in those waters 50
metres upstream and downstream of the Trinity Valley Road Bridge.
Effective August 16, 2019 to Sept. 12, 2019 in the following waters you may
retain four (4) Chinook per day, only two (2) of which may be over 50 cm.
Mable Lake:
That portion of Mabel Lake that is both:
- northerly of a line drawn from a white triangular fishing boundary sign
situated at the northern edge of Mabel Lake Provincial Park to the prominent
point of land on the western shore; and
- southerly of a line drawn between two white triangular fishing boundary signs
located on opposite shores approx. 1 km from Wap Creek. August 16 - Sept. 12, 4
per day, only 2 over 50 cm
Note: South and North ends of Mabel Lake are closed to fishing for salmon.
There is a monthly limit of four (4) Chinook over 50 cm in Region 8.
Region 3:
Kamloops Lake:
Effective 00:01 hours August 22 to September 22, 2019 in the waters of Kamloops
lake upstream of the fishing boundary signs at the outlet of Kamloops Lake, you
may retain 4 Chinook per day, only one over 50cm.
The Thompson River is currently closed to fishing for salmon.
South Thompson River:
Effective August 16, 2019 at 00:01 hours until September 22, 2019, you may
retain 4 Chinook per day, only 2 over 50 cm in the waters of the South Thompson
River from the green can buoy near outlet of Little River, including Little
Shuswap Lake, to the fishing boundary sign approximately 100 m downstream of
Campbell Creek.
There is a monthly quota of six (6) Chinook over 50 cm from the South Thompson
River.
Fishing for salmon is permitted during daylight hours only in Region 3 and
Region 8.
Notes:
Single barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in non-tidal waters
of British Columbia.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped Chinook and
Coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
If you're going fishing for salmon in non-tidal (fresh) waters, you need a Non-
Tidal Angling Licence, issued by the Province of British Columbia. Visit the
provincial website to buy your licence. Licences are available to B.C.
residents and non-residents. Fees may vary and are listed online.
(www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/licences)
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336 or the British Columbia's toll-free RAPP line (Report All
Poachers and Polluters) at 1-877-952-RAPP (7277).
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
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Wildmanyeah is right. It’s mid August by now the vast majority of chinook will be headed to the Thompson watershed
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^Ha! Good one Army Truck^
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That video is also a fix for someone who talks to much Fish to the head
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Wildmanyeah is right. It’s mid August by now the vast majority of chinook will be headed to the Thompson watershed
The test fishery shows huge bumps of Chinook for many days in a row. It doesn't look like what dismal picture DFO is trying to spin to justify the closure.
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The test fishery shows huge bumps of Chinook for many days in a row. It doesn't look like what dismal picture DFO is trying to spin to justify the closure.
Upper Fraser stocks are in extremely bad shape. There is no doubt about that. Valemount has received a fraction of what it used to when I live there as a kid. From what I know the fish we are seeing in the test nets are Shushwap fish. Harrison and Vedder fish are starting to stage. It's the Shushwap that are driving up these numbers. I may be wrong and I'm sure Rod or Ralph ( maybe the same guy lol ) know better.
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South Thompson stock.
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The chinook in big numbers right now are mainly 4-1 summers with a very small portion of 5-2 summers.
The south thompson is making the majority of the fish in the test right now.
(https://i.imgur.com/JfZQZw6.png)
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Wildmanyeah could you post the website where you got this chart? Curious to see any other data
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Wildmanyeah could you post the website where you got this chart? Curious to see any other data
can't seem to find the exact one but this one is close
http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files2/Day%201%202019%20Fraser%20River%20Chinook%20Conservation%20Measures.pdf