Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on January 28, 2013, 12:26:31 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2013/01/28/nb-infectious-salmon-anemia-prevention-730.html
I hope for some comments from Dave, Abby, SS and others on both sides of the debate, I am sure they will come. ;D
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http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/aquatic-animals/diseases/reportable/2012/infectious-salmon-anaemia-2012-/eng/1339179653413/1339179772511
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CBC http://www.cbc.ca/informationmorningns/2013/01/22/cooke-acquaculture-selling-fish-with-infected-salmon-anemia/
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2013/01/28/nb-infectious-salmon-anemia-prevention-730.html
I hope for some comments from Dave, Abby, SS and others on both sides of the debate, I am sure they will come. ;D
And like a hungry Bull Trout, Dave took the bait ...
Not sure what you want Chris as your link says it all ...
"The types of fish that have been confirmed to be susceptible to the virus are: Atlantic herring, Atlantic cod, Atlantic salmon and brown trout."
Are you concerned the fish are being sold? Are you concerned this could impact Pacific salmon? Are you concerned for BC Atlantic salmon farmers?
Or, are you just posting cuz that`s your job ;D ;D ;D
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And like a hungry Bull Trout, Dave took the bait ...
Not sure what you want Chris as your link says it all ...
"The types of fish that have been confirmed to be susceptible to the virus are: Atlantic herring, Atlantic cod, Atlantic salmon and brown trout."
Are you concerned the fish are being sold? Are you concerned this could impact Pacific salmon? Are you concerned for BC Atlantic salmon farmers?
Or, are you just posting cuz that`s your job ;D ;D ;D
Hoping for more comments from the big 4 too. ;D ;D ;D
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Hoping for more comments from the big 4 too. Grin Grin Grin
Why? You want to play "pick apart crew" now. LOL
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Why? You want to play "pick apart crew" now. LOL
Looking like no answers to this one, thats a first. ;D ;D ;D
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I just don't think there is much to say.
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I just don't think there is much to say.
Nice. ;D ;D ;D
Just posted this and LA scored. :D
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Looking like no answers to this one, thats a first. ;D ;D ;D
softly softly catchy monkey
don'y worry Chris their taken the bait
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I think the CBC radio host said it best when he said it is “Perception rather than reality”. In my opinion, for Cooke Aquaculture and other aquaculture on the East coast, I can’t see this decision helping the marketability of their product because nowadays perception overrides reality in many decisions made by consumers. I understand the reason for the decision and it may have some good intentions behind it, but in this present environment when the industry on the East coast has such a microscope on it and people like Don Staniford and Ms Morton dominate the social media it will be an uphill battle to convince sceptical people. Personally, I think it plays right into the activists’ hands who will likely start creating posters with mothers holding their babies tightly – looking worried about their next food purchase.
The reality may be that ISA is no harmful to humans and that wild fish sold in stores could also have diseases that are not tested and be equally safe for humans, but if given the choice people will likely steer clear of the Cooke product in favour of another that may not have it. If people went to the store to purchase a Cooke product and didn’t hear this media coverage they would not know the difference; however, once they hear the media story I wouldn’t doubt this would influence many consumers – especially those that believe everything negative thing they read in the mainstream media and on social media about salmon farming. There you go, Chris.
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softly softly catchy monkey
don'y worry Chris their taken the bait
SS is taking it now too I see. ;D ;D ;D
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I think the CBC radio host said it best when he said it is “Perception rather than reality”. In my opinion, for Cooke Aquaculture and other aquaculture on the East coast, I can’t see this decision helping the marketability of their product because nowadays perception overrides reality in many decisions made by consumers. I understand the reason for the decision and it may have some good intentions behind it, but in this present environment when the industry on the East coast has such a microscope on it and people like Don Staniford and Ms Morton dominate the social media it will be an uphill battle to convince sceptical people. Personally, I think it plays right into the activists’ hands who will likely start creating posters with mothers holding their babies tightly – looking worried about their next food purchase.
The reality may be that ISA is no harmful to humans and that wild fish sold in stores could also have diseases that are not tested and be equally safe for humans, but if given the choice people will likely steer clear of the Cooke product in favour of another that may not have it. If people went to the store to purchase a Cooke product and didn’t hear this media coverage they would not know the difference; however, once they hear the media story I wouldn’t doubt this would influence many consumers – especially those that believe everything negative thing they read in the mainstream media and on social media about salmon farming. There you go, Chris.
I almost reached for the kleenex box to wipe away a tear after reading that...... It's unfortunate when the feedlot corporation is unable to sell the unsuspecting consumer a product that would normally be destined for the compost pile. ::) ::) ::)
What bothers me most about this is CFIA's "new" approach to deal with ISA. They say their new approach is to prevent the spread of the disease because they realize they can't eradicate it. Instead of killing of the infected salmon they are now allowing them to continue growing the product till they're ready for market???? What's with that? Meanwhile every wild fish that swims past the pens is being infected and will die.
Maybe these guys have been eating some of this ISA infected feedlot salmon and it's affected their decision making.
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SS is taking it now too I see. ;D ;D ;D
I didn't want you to feel ignored. ;D
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Meanwhile every wild fish that swims past the pens is being infected and will die.
Technically the second part of this statement is true.
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Technically the second part of this statement is true.
You can believe what you like but this certainly was not the case in 2010.
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You can believe what you like but this certainly was not the case in 2010.
Pretty sure Nibs meant all salmon swimming anywhere in the ocean will eventually die ;)
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I see, I see. OK. ;D
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It amazes me that you find humor in this .....
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http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/560622-biologist-virus-could-kill-aquaculture
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http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/560622-biologist-virus-could-kill-aquaculture
“This spells the end of the salmon farming industry in the Maritimes unless they can persuade people to eat salmon infected with an influenza-type virus......."
Shouldn't be a problem........ as long as they label the product
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http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2013/02/the-canadian-food-inspection-agency-cfia-has-declared-240000-isa-virus-contaminated-feedlot-salmon-are-fit-for-canadian-co.html
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http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2013/02/the-canadian-food-inspection-agency-cfia-has-declared-240000-isa-virus-contaminated-feedlot-salmon-are-fit-for-canadian-co.html
Utter garbage again from Ms. Morton.
Along side the farmed Atlantic salmon sold in Chilliwack where I live are salmon labelled as wild sockeye – most of these are Alaskan but some, depending on population abundance and timing are actually BC fish. I would bet a pension cheque that if these wild sockeye were tested for a common west coast virus, IHN (another CFIA reportable virus harmless to humans but sometimes deadly to salmonids, like east coast ISA) the results would be positive. Which means SFA because all farm animals tested in an appropriate manner would show some virus. As would you and I.
Total fear mongering by a woman who is running out of options to further her cause, IMO.
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http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/
Starts at 24:12
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http://asf.ca/nl-aquaculture-industry-protests-too-much.html
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Utter garbage again from Ms. Morton.
Along side the farmed Atlantic salmon sold in Chilliwack where I live are salmon labelled as wild sockeye – most of these are Alaskan but some, depending on population abundance and timing are actually BC fish. I would bet a pension cheque that if these wild sockeye were tested for a common west coast virus, IHN (another CFIA reportable virus harmless to humans but sometimes deadly to salmonids, like east coast ISA) the results would be positive. Which means SFA because all farm animals tested in an appropriate manner would show some virus. As would you and I.
Total fear mongering by a woman who is running out of options to further her cause, IMO.
Bit of a delirious rant...... You may need to cut back on your feedlot salmon diet. ::)
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Bit of a delirious rant...... You may need to cut back on your feedlot salmon diet. ::)
It is a rant which is actually the truth. Wild salmon can carry numerous pathogens that may only be lethal under certain environmental circumstances. Some could be acute and quickly kill the host or could be more chronic and not directly kill the host, but could affect the behaviour or growth of the host. It is quite possible that these wild salmon could make it into your favourite supermarket. How could this happen? Well, Ms Morton’s recent testing of wild salmon demonstrated the present of IHNV in wild Chinook, Chum and Sockeye Salmon off our coast. If these commercially or sport caught salmon were tested it would not surprise me if they had a pathogen like IHNV; however, it is not a big mystery for those that have taken the time to find out more about IHNV and IHN (i.e. pathology, distribution, etc.). Like ISAV and ISA, IHNV and IHN are also not harmful to humans; however, this is all something that the fear mongerers like you conveniently ignore.
For a list of what pathogens wild Sockeye can have take a look at Technical Report #1 from the Cohen Commission website. All those pathogens listed are endemic to BC waters and have likely been here for centuries. Bon appetite. Even Rainbow Trout from your favourite lake or stream in BC likely carries a pathogen or two which may or may not be lethal – again it can be dependent on a number of factors. Again…bon appetite. It is not surprising that Morton is embarking on yet another attempt to manufacture another disease epidemic scare in BC by trying to connect it to what is happening in Eastern Canada. It is also not surprising that she is still ignoring the findings by Justice Cohen on ISAV and ISA. Perhaps you should cut back on the Morton Kool-Aid.
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Hey Steve, Do you and Dave eat your ISAV atlantic salmon, sushi style?
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http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2331466296/
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http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2331466296/
This story has legs.... I can't believe CFIA and Cooke farms would release this crap. The rest of the feedlot industry can't be happy with these guys either. It's going to further kill their sales....
The arrogance of the industry thinking they could just slip this stuff into the market and that Canadians would accept it...... As a Canadian, apparently all you need to know is that "sound science" has been applied. What an embarrassment to human intelligence!
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Hey Steve, Do you and Dave eat your ISAV atlantic salmon, sushi style?
I don't like sushi. Plus I can't use chop sticks very well.
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http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2331466296/
Wayne Easter made the most sense out of the group of them. Perception rules on this one so it will be a no win situation for the CFIA and the industry on the East Coast. Harper's trained pigeon should have stayed home and skyped like Ms Morton. Sound science should ideally be explained by those that know what they are talking about - not politicians or agenda-driven activists.
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Hey Steve, Do you and Dave eat your ISAV atlantic salmon, sushi style?
I don't do raw meat, especially fish. Have dissected enough wild salmon to know what lives in those buggers ...
Again, anyone who has eaten any amount of Fraser River sockeye has probably consumed an IHNv infected fish.
Anyone feeling sick out there :D