Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: ~IvAn~ on November 03, 2005, 07:42:10 PM
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Crappy hooks and they aint cheap either eh?
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Holy my smelly socks 2/0's :o :o :o Well no wonder you don't bent any hooks. For the rest of us who fish size 2's, eagle claw>gammies as far as strength is concerened. Mind you I still fork out the money for expensive hooks for the right quarry.
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hey fishfreak i said 40 in 2 days not 1 get your facts striaght, and at the chehalis i fish no.4 hooks, but you are right about 1 thing ive never had a problem with no.2 silvers, however ive recently been buying the black ones and there cupcakes.
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2/0?? That's overkill, man. I use size 1 and 2 gammies and lost only 7 coho,
and most of those were from long-distance hooksets or not paying attention.
I find Gammies straighten as well. Not as strong as they used to be.
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You better not be talking down to vanilla ice.And what does it matter how many are in your freezer? Biffy might let them go, unlike certain other meat fishermen. :P
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walked in from the hatchery and to my surprise an elder gent was walking away with 4 coho, he was in a real hurry and it was only 9:00 in the morning, something just seemed a little suspicous.
Could it be he found a nice hole and he didn't want anyone to find his spot?
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I'd be happy to take those Eagle Claws off your hands ;)
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I have only lost one coho this year and I use small hooks, number 2's. I think that it is more on how you fight the fish !!!!! ;D ;D
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Relax people!
And, if you don't care what someone else is saying, don't reply to someone else's comment. Simple as that, quit contradicting.
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I hope the chehalis is not blown out on Saturday. ???
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You guys are all acting like my 3 year old and 8 year old kids.
Fish with whatever size hooks you want, bigger does not mean better especially in smaller systems. Allot of the time in rivers that are small in size a small presentation is needed as to not spook the fish. If you put this huge hook with big gobs of roe on the fish are going to just move away from it.
Another tip for the day is this. Dirty water use darker lurers. Brighter water use brighter lures.
To quote a great wrestler
" HAVE A NICE DAY!! " - Mick Foley
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You guys are all acting like my 3 year old and 8 year old kids.
Fish with whatever size hooks you want, bigger does not mean better especially in smaller systems.
Agreed, what difference does it make if Fishfreak chooses to use 2/0. There are no regulations prohibiting its use. If you choose to use smaller sizes, by all means go for it. He has as much a right to use bigger hooks providing he's not snagging them.
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I don't care what he is using, never said I did!!!! I am just commenting on his handling of the criticism!!!! ;) ;)
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My comment wasn't directed at you Big Steel. Just a general statement.
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If the fish meant to be yours is yours,doesnt matter what kind of hooks you used,is the combination of luck,hook set and fight
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10-4 FA, read ya loud and clear!!! ;)
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Well we all have something in common guys. We all like to fish. ;D :D ;) :)
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Well I see that you removed your post and changed another one, so, no I am not trying to start something with you. I just think that you could have handled the criticism better. Just loosen up a bit, why do you care what people think of how you fish or what you fish with????? You know that you are not doing anything wrong by using bigger hooks, then try not to let people get to you so much !!!! ;D ;D I have a hard time letting things go as well sometimes, but there is no use making yourself look like a hothead over what really, when you think about it amounts to nothing!! I think that maybe we should hit the chehalis this weekend and show them all how it is done!!!!! ;D ;D
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After this thread, sounds like the 200 2/0 eagle claws I havent touched for 3 years (because I bought bulk gammi's) should be going in the buy n sell here ASAP! ;)
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Well Gooey, if this rain keeps up, and the water stays high and colored I might take you up on that!!!!! ;D ;D
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Just stepped out for dinner, and come home to see all the replies but i see ive started a debate, sorry to all you members i just wanted to share my experiences, lets all forget about this post.
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Golfnut, there is absolutely nothing you need to be sorry about. Your enthusiasm reflects what fishing is all about, some just get rather emotionally unstable because others are catching fish while they are going through a drought season. ;) Like I said, people need to relax. Keep them coming!
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For me all I can say is.... What are you guys complaining about !?! At least your hooking onto coho!?!
For me it's still fat 0. ;D ;D ;D
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must be you , sice your last post you hooked 40 coho in one day and cant land any yet ,
lol your so mean :P
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ha ha ha this is funny.....hooks shmooks ..as long as theres no barb and your catching not snagging fish ;D
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And who says that there is no good fishing in Alberta ;D
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i've fished for coho in the chehalis all the time with wool eggs on 2/0 eagle claws. seen hundreds use 2/0 as well. been very successful with the 2/0 size in the chehalis,vedder as well as dewdney slough. they are the maximum size i will use and they sure come in handy when a big spring, chum or early winter steelhead decide to chomp on your coho offering.
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that's all cool when it comes to preference in hook size. For float fishing I generally use a #2 for wool and similar sized offerings and if it's real clear a #4. For rubber worms, gooey bobs or small tied egg sacks I use a #1. If I'm using roe or prawns/ghost shrimp i go to a #1/0, all Gamakatsu , black, barbed but pinched, I don't like the new barbless gammi's shape, they havn't worked well for me.
for those who use the bigger hooks as a multi purpose hook, to each his own, but on those days when the fish are not biting well, try downsizing both leader diameter/strength and hooksize. It makes a difference believe me. I have Very rarely seen a flaw with black gammies and having been using them for over 15 years, 4 years of eagle claws and then i smartened up hehehe. But use what's in you budget, they will all catch fish.
As an example, I am looking at a picture on my wall beside me of a 42lbs fresh chilliwack white spring, caught in the upper river. the set up was 15 lbs mainline, 2ft x 8lbs maxima ultragreen leader and a #2 gammi with a small chunk of roe and white wool. This fish was landed in the run accross the river from "the slab" on the upper river, 100 or so yards down river of the hatchery or limit hole, fished from the back side. That is faster flow in there and it was a real challenge but the fish came to hand on this set up and I trust it 100% for nearly 100% of my coho and steelhead fishing.
not trying to convince anyone thier methods are wrong, just relating my experience, and I ain't changin a thing 8)
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Use anything you want as long as the regs permit it . It is all personal preference . I allways over rig there is nothing worse than losing that trophy to your hook straightening or your line breaking trust me i know .
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always fishin nailed it...on days when fish are finicky it often is in your favour to go with a more subtle presentation. Maybe winter steel can remember/confirm, on one of the sport fishing bc episodes, Dave Murphy talk about how 8lb leader can straighten a #4 gami, 10lb leader (maxima) will straighten a #2 etc.
Match the hook and line to the conditions and target for optimal results!
With that, I shall post a report on my trip today!
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My only concern w/ a big hook is hurting incidentally caught small trout & char in certain river sysyems. For example, I've felt like crap when fishing for coho using a #5 Vibrax, which works like a hot damn, & a 5" trout gets impaled on it :'(
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I meant "systems" ;D
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For me all I can say is.... What are you guys complaining about !?! At least your hooking onto coho!?!
For me it's still fat 0. ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean people are so spoiled arguing about what hooks are better for slaying them coho! be happy you guys getting coho i would kill for some coho action. Dont take this wrong if been fishing all the right water with people who catch coho and i just dont get them bad luck or something. :P
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use a #16 Mustad Lazer sharp with a single egg.....best fish on this hook....34 lb chinook on 4 lb test....u must "play" the fish a tad.....horsin' is not gonna land many fish.....of course those who prefer 2/0 hooks will have a prob with this....oh well..;)))
mojo
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As for the people that slag Gami hooks.."they aren't worth the money, they're a rip off..etc..."
Take it from me, as someone that has spent tens of thousands of hours fishing professionally and for sport in the OCEAN which makes any salmon in the river look like a carcass, I can tell you that you have a HARD time getting any other hook as sharp as a Gami, and Gami's stay sharp a long long time, result in more hook ups, and they are STRONG hooks. I have cut plugged with 3/0 to 6/0 hooks, and use Gami's exclusively with my bait rigs when I take the time to tie up my rigs for my personal use. I have NEVER seen a straightened SILVER GAMI on a fish that was being played in a SPORTING manner. Angling is NOT a tug of war.
I feel compelled to defend Gami products because they perform as they should with a responsible and SPORTING angler.
By the way, if you spend $100's on waders, rods, reels etc..or in the case of me, $1000's on rods, downriggers, you shoudn't be complaining about paying premium price for a premium product if you know how to recognize value and understand that you get what you pay for.
Enough said.
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"Enough said"?
Is that to say that once you've given your 2 cents worth there is no need to hear from anyone else?
You're a funny guy.
Maybe you should check your seemingly arrogant "salt chuck" attitude at the door.
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i dont care what people say about hooks...
Bifchan you think your cool with that picture looks like a little vanilla ice, you know what i dont care what you say....
hey mojo i have no problem with what you use , actually i dont really care
You can say that again... lol... ;D
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FF, I think you've missed the point that CohoOn! was trying to make.
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Use anything you want as long as the regs permit it . It is all personal preference . I allways over rig there is nothing worse than losing that trophy to your hook straightening or your line breaking trust me i know .
Hey, I think it's all a matter of pride, not overkill , huge hooks, whatever, and gammys are over priced, they are sweet hooks but Vision are almost as good. I like #4 hooks. I feel funny fishing next to people using monster hooks, almost feel like Laughing at them, but keep it to myself, just look at my fishing Partner, and Smile
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"Enough said"?
Is that to say that once you've given your 2 cents worth there is no need to hear from anyone else?
You're a funny guy.
Maybe you should check your seemingly arrogant "salt chuck" attitude at the door.
You know what, I am going to have to agree with the freak on that one. CohoOn, there is no need for that, Magician is a real fisherman. He will get my backing. He has his opinion as you do yours. Don't start calling people down in here or you will hear from a lot of people. In addition, you won't look that swift in the process!!!!!! ;D ;D
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FishFreak you snap at any little detail anyone says I think you need to control your temper. It is unnecessary to get so uptight, if people say things you don't like then fine just ignore them and forget it man, life is to short to be a sour puss. Its just a forum. If someone says something I don't like then I will tell them but not with a hotty attitude. Once is enough, the more you keep it up the more dumber you look and no one will have any respect for you so please dude cool down a notch. ;)
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FF, I think you've missed the point that CohoOn! was trying to make.
"Enough said"?
Is that to say that once you've given your 2 cents worth there is no need to hear from anyone else?
You're a funny guy.
Maybe you should check your seemingly arrogant "salt chuck" attitude at the door.
Rodney, isn't that how the magician signs off on all his post. I think that all he means is that HE has said enough for the time being!!!!!!
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cohoon pretty ignorant of you to sign on here jump into a conversation and bitch someone out, he is stating that he has never had a problem with gammy's so maybe i should chuck you out the door ENOUGH SAID !!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID !!!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID !!!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID !!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID !!!!!!!! if you don't like the ENOUGH SAID ! here it is again
ENOUGH SAID !!!!, what hooks do you use COHO ON used rusted out bent ones found on the edge of the river ???
hey! those rusted hooks save you money =P
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That is why I like ya little buddy!!!!! You always find the silverlining!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
hey! those rusted hooks save you money =P
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Fishin Magician knows his stuff. If anything you should read what he says and learn. Allot of you younger anglers need to listen to those that have fished for many years and appreciate that they give you good advice.
Again " Have a nice day!!" - Mick Foley
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:o WOW, you guys are really getting into it :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
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why dont we watch hockey, and watch THEM fight :)
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That's it Ocean!!!!!! The gloves are coming off!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Fishin Magician knows his stuff. If anything you should read what he says and learn. Allot of you younger anglers need to listen to those that have fished for many years and appreciate that they give you good advice.
Again " Have a nice day!!" - Mick Foley
Anglers are the biggest liers there is in society, how can you trust what they say? ::)
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Fishin Magician knows his stuff. If anything you should read what he says and learn. Allot of you younger anglers need to listen to those that have fished for many years and appreciate that they give you good advice.
Again " Have a nice day!!" - Mick Foley
Anglers are the biggest liers there is in society, how can you trust what they say? ::)
Oh.. I thought politics were.. my bad ;)
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Rodney, isn't that how the magician signs off on all his post. I think that all he means is that HE has said enough for the time being!!!!!!
I have no idea, probably. I wasn't suggesting whether I agree or disagree with what CohoOn! posted, or how he posted. The point was fishfreak skimmed through his post and missed the point. CohoOn! was not suggesting that Fish Magician lacks knowledge on saltwater fishing. His point was <clears throat>, part of learning is listening. By implying what you have said is all there is others need to know, you present yourself as an ignorant individual.
Now, keep in mind this is an internet forum, you are communicating by typing, so things can easily be misunderstood. It is possible that CohoOn! misinterpreted Fish Magician remark. As you have pointed out, perhaps Fish Magician was suggesting that's all he had to say on this subject.
Fishin Magician knows his stuff. If anything you should read what he says and learn. Allot of you younger anglers need to listen to those that have fished for many years and appreciate that they give you good advice.
Would you like to tell us how old Fishin Magician is?
temper runs naturally I'm Italian , i don't no what to tell you sorry my patience is short as a wick
Everyone has a temper, that is not the issue. Expressing your opinion that others may disagree with class can lead to a great learning experience for all parties. Without class, this is what you get. Some of the comments that I have had to delete from you in the past are disgusting in my opinion, and you actually had the nerve to email me in the past to tell me that you felt being bullied by certain other members in the forum? If you choose to put yourself in that situation, you will get the result you are looking for.
...It is unnecessary to get so uptight, if people say things you don't like then fine just ignore them and forget it man, life is to short to be a sour puss. Its just a forum. If someone says something I don't like then I will tell them but not with a hotty attitude...
Mark has the idea, it's just a forum. Majority of the membership do not disclose their age, and that's exactly why people should not take the comments of those who they do not know personally so seriously. For all you know, you could be "debating" with a 13 year old. Even worse, some adults here actually persist to argue with someone much younger than them on the smallest item... ahem, hook size.
For the third time, relax people.
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papa rodney.... however do you keep us wild ones in line???
I admire the attempt anyway!
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if you like to argue, perhaps you would like to be a lawyer one day! put it in good use :)
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Rodney should hand out free spoons to keep everyone happy in the forum. :P
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papa rodney.... however do you keep us wild ones in line???
I admire the attempt anyway!
Give me a couple of whips, and I'll answer that one. ;D
Honestly, I hate to edit and delete anyone's posts at all. The ones I have been deleting, are the ones that I wouldn't even think about typing it out here, or saying it to someone else's face. Not because it'll get me in trouble, but simply embarrassing and rude. You get the idea....
The rules are simple, treat others like the way you wish to be treated here, or on the waters, with respect.
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Dont let this happy fisherman fool you. What he actually does is find you on river and gives you a thrashing the likes you never heard of. I have yet to receive one.:P
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Don't tell me you have been longing for my thrashing.... :o No wonder you're not catching coho. You should focus on the fish, not me! ;)
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Okay guys, I think there is nothing more to argue about.. next topic ;)
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Yikes. Ahem. I see I started a fire.
What I meant by "Enough Said" was "I've said enough and voiced my opinion" in support of Gami Hooks, and it wasn't meant to stifle anyone else. In addition, "enough said" referred to my implied opinion of how often "some anglers" may straighten hooks.
At any rate, my opinion is my opinion. and I had an american angler I guided one trip try Vision hooks on board my boat. After a day's worth of catch and release on a few dozen coho and pink, his Vision hooks were toast. My Gami's were fishing away.....so much in fact, I tied them on for another day. Good hooks the Vision's were though.
In addition, since I infrequently fish the Rivers' relative to the 'Chuck there are some key differences in angling and fishing technique which warrant the use of larger hooks. For example, if you don't want to go hooking grilse (the lower coast) , or burrying hooks in the gullets of Cohoes and Springs all day long (West Coast, North Coast and Charlottes) , I sincerely recommend using larger hooks. In the Queen Charlottes I believe most guides are using 4/0's and 5/0's for the purposes of catch and release. In addition, humpies can make life difficult, along with the Cohoes when they are in thick, and a larger hook is beneficial. When I worked at River's Inlet, I remember the lodges providing 5/0 rigs for the guests.
When fishing locally, I usually will not fish with a hook smaller than a 3/0 hook on any lure unless I am fishing with Firecracker herring or anchovies when there are not a million and one grilse or wild Cohoes around. For example, this past fall, on some anchovy rigs they were tied with 2/0 singles.
Anyways, if someone has a beef and wants to refute my experiences or the experiences of dozens of saltwater guides on the coast, you're welcome to it. Have at it.
Looking forward to getting out on the water locally here soon,
Fishin' Magician.
Enough Said! ;D :-*
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Don't tell me you have been longing for my thrashing.... :o No wonder you're not catching coho. You should focus on the fish, not me! ;)
Dont flatter yourself all i care about on the river is the fish and maybe some fine fisherwomen. ;) On that note women really need to start fishing more i would much enjoy a ladies company from time to time on the river.
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Thanks FM, for replying in a civil manner. I think you are right this time, enough said. :) You get the last words.