Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: RainbowMan on October 24, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
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While fishing the tidal Fraser on the weekend, I saw two boats where 2 guys were fishing on each boat and they had 2 bar rigs in the water and were also casting spoons at the same time. My understanding of the regs is that each angler can only fish with one line in the water at a time. If this is not correct, can you please send a link to the current regulation? Thanks.
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One rod per person, regardless whether you are on a boat or shore.
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The tidal portion of the Fraser River includes:
Fraser River downstream of the CPR bridge at Mission to a line drawn from a fishing boundary sign near the entrance to Canoe Passage
then to a fishing boundary sign on Westham Island
then following the westerly shoreline of Westham Island and Reifel Island to Pelly Point on Reifel Island
then to Garry Point on Lulu Island
then following the westerly shoreline of that island to the most northwesterly point of Lulu Island
then to the most southwesterly point of Sea Island
then following the westerly shoreline of that island to the Iona Island Road Causeway
then following that causeway and continuing in a straight line in a northerly direction to a fishing boundary sign on the north shore of Iona Island
then in a straight line in a northerly direction to a fishing boundary sign on the mainland.
It also includes those waters of the Pitt River downstream of the CPR Bridge.
It is prohibited to use more than one line!!!!!!!! when sport fishing in the tidal waters of the Fraser River. While only one line per angler may be used, gear designed to catch a maximum of two fish at one time (bar rig) is permitted in this area, provided that two single barbless hooks are being used.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/fraser-eng.html
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/map-carte-eng.asp
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Thank you.
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I saw a guy get a double header on his bar rig on the Fraser. One fish on each hook.
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I have never used this technique/Set Up myself ......
But was reading in the regulations that you can:
USE MULTIPLE HOOKS (Barbless ...of course) to hold the SAME PIECE of BAIT.
*Doesn't even say a specific number, just makes clear that the hooks are holding a single piece of bait.
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angle with a fishing line that has more than one hook, artificial lure or artificial fly attached except:
in the tidal waters of the Fraser River, where you can attach two hooks, artificial lures or artificial flies to a bar rig
in tidal waters, where you can attach any number of hooks to a fishing line if using the hooks in combination to hold a single piece of bait
in tidal waters, where you can attach any number of hooks to a fishing line if fishing for herring, mackerel, northern anchovy, Pacific sand lance, Pacific sardine or squid
Does this mean in the Tidal Fraser, I can toss a bar rig with a spoon in 1 T-Bar and then a spinner in the other T-Bar and then cast and retrieve?
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Does this mean in the Tidal Fraser, I can toss a bar rig with a spoon in 1 T-Bar and then a spinner in the other T-Bar and then cast and retrieve?
No. ::)
A bar rig is designed to be cast and left sitting on the bottom.
BTW, I'd love to see you casting and retrieving a bar rig...would be fun to watch!
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The exact wording is:
"While only one line per angler may be used, gear designed to catch a maximum of two fish at one time (bar rig) is permitted in this area, provided that two single barbless hooks are being used."
I don't see why it'd be illegal to use two lures, or two flies on a line. They are after all, designed to catch a maximum of two fish at one time.
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I was thinking about something like this, except it has 2 lures:
(http://www.onthewater.com/assets/ABT-Multi-Rig-System-final-5-640x389.jpg)
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Or something like this?
(http://ultimatefishingsite.net/wp-content/uploads/doublejigrig.jpg)
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Or something like this?
(http://ultimatefishingsite.net/wp-content/uploads/doublejigrig.jpg)
The problem with this one is as you are retrieving, they are lined up in a straight line and follow the same path. The other one where the lures are spread out, you are doing 2 different paths that are spread out, so in theory it covers more water.
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I was thinking about something like this, except it has 2 lures:
(http://www.onthewater.com/assets/ABT-Multi-Rig-System-final-5-640x389.jpg)
That's a trolling rig, Fic, not a bar rig. It would be a bi*ch to cast, with the wires tangling up. KarateKicks alternative is workable - I've used it with quite a bit of success in the past, but not for salmon.
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How do you set up two hooks on one line? A double hook at the spin' glo, or can you clip on a second lure like a flat fish? Two spreader bars? The picture is what's used on the Columbia river for what they call plunking.
(http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/rigs11.jpg)
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If you are by yourself in a boat I thought you could use two lines
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If you are by yourself in a boat I thought you could use two lines
Lakes.
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If you are by yourself in a boat I thought you could use two lines
Only in lakes
In the ocean you can run unlimited rods
River and streams 1 rod
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That's a trolling rig, Fic, not a bar rig. It would be a bi*ch to cast, with the wires tangling up. KarateKicks alternative is workable - I've used it with quite a bit of success in the past, but not for salmon.
I probably would need to tweak it some how to make it workable. Need some sort of wire in the shape of a wish bone with lures on the ends of the opposite branches and the mainline attached to the middle branch.
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If you are by yourself in a boat I thought you could use two lines
Went out yesterday afternoon to the Alex Fraser area and saw a few boats with 2 rods/angler in the water. I think the DFO's website can make this clearer as there seems to be confusion between regs for fresh water lakes and rivers.
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In lakes you can troll 2 rods.
In the ocean as many as you want but it'll be quite the cluster bomb when you catch one fish let alone multiples.
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Went out yesterday afternoon to the Alex Fraser area and saw a few boats with 2 rods/angler in the water. I think the DFO's website can make this clearer as there seems to be confusion between regs for fresh water lakes and rivers.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/fraser-eng.html
"It is prohibited to use more than one line when sport fishing in the tidal waters of the Fraser River. While only one line per angler may be used, gear designed to catch a maximum of two fish at one time (bar rig) is permitted in this area, provided that two single barbless hooks are being used."
How much clearer can it get??? One line pretty much says it all.
I would hope whomever witnesses this kind of behavior calls it in - and if you're not SURE about the regs, but THINK it's wrong, call it in (they'll let you know if it's OK!).
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is permitted in this area, provided that two single barbless hooks are being used."
How much clearer can it get??? ONE LINE pretty much says it all.
I would hope whomever witnesses this kind of behavior calls it in - and if you're not SURE about the regs, but THINK it's wrong, call it in (they'll let you know if it's OK!).
Confusion comes from the fact that you're allowed to fish with two rods when you are in a boat on a fresh water lake and some people (including people on this forum) are confused. Fresh water regs differentiate between single anglers on a boat, shore anglers and boat anglers >1.
..and you know, I don't think that makes you a better forum member when you yell in your postings!
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/fraser-eng.html
"It is prohibited to use more than one line when sport fishing in the tidal waters of the Fraser River. While only one line per angler may be used, gear designed to catch a maximum of two fish at one time (bar rig) is permitted in this area, provided that two single barbless hooks are being used."
How much clearer can it get??? One line pretty much says it all.
You make out like "one line" means something but when an angler has one line that goes to his swivel, one line to his spreader, one line that goes to his bar weight and one line that goes to each of his hooks.
And that doesn't delve into the "designed to catch .... two fish" (with one line?) part of the Reg.
Which is the "one line" referred to in your opinion? I don't think "one line" would pass the "I have a friend that's a law student" test.
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I don't think that makes you a better forum member when you yell in your postings!
Yelling or shouting is in all caps - not bolded or underlined.
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This excerpt is from the BC Tidal Waters Sport Fishing Guide.
There is no limit to the number of fishing rods a licensed angler may use in tidal waters, except in the tidal portion of any stream or river
where the limit is one. Refer to the map and description of Fraser River tidal boundaries inside the front cover of this Guide.
• It is illegal to angle with a fishing line to which more than one hook, artificial lure or artificial fly is attached except:
– in the tidal portion of the Fraser River where you can use two hooks, artificial lures or artificial flies, attached to a bar rig.
– in most tidal water areas you may use any number of hooks attached to a fishing line if the hooks are used in combination to hold a single piece of bait and not arranged in such a fashion to catch more than one fish. This does not apply in those areas restricted to the use of only one single barbless hook.
As for Lakes.
A solo angler in a boat can have 2 rods. If there are 2 or more anglers in the boat, each angler can only fish with one rod each.