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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: dennisK on November 08, 2019, 07:53:05 PM
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Hey all
So I've noticed a few fellow fishermen on the river using beads. I'm a newb to them. Strictly wool and jigs up to now.
So in a quick question - what are good colours and sizes of beads for coho to springs? is the UV style of bead worth it..or trendy? soft beads or hard beads? should i rig it with some wool as well?
I'd appreciate any tips as well as where to buy?
thank you...
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UV ? I will only use a UV or glow bead during cloudy/low light conditions ( sometimes ). I like soft beads BUT you'll rip thru them much faster than hard beads. If the fish takes the soft bead but you miss the set the bead will often rip down the line and past the eye of the hook and itll never be the same again. I prefer soft beads because the fish ( in my opinion) hold on to it for a split second longer than a traditional hard bead. Wool ? Again, on low light days and poor vis but I personally never use wool anymore, I find I have hookups with and without.
My new favorite soft beads are from BNR tackle. They are made with a hole down the middle of the bead so no need for a needle. BNR tackle also has these new beadstops. It's like a traditional bobber stop but it has a flat bottom to protect the bead from the eye of the hook. My Cleardrift beads I'll use a bobber stop to hold it on the line but I've gotta say the BNR setup is amazing. If I'm targeting whitefish or Cutthroat I'll use an 8mm bead. Bull trout and Steelhead ill use a 10mm bead and poor vis ill use 12 to 14 mm.
I'll order from Cleardrift website and BNR Tackle website. I've found Cleardrift to take a month or more to deliver. BNR Tackle ( shipping from Oregon ) comes within 4 day. BNR is super fast. I'll always order straight from the manufacturer if I can this way I can get exactly what I want and not settle for the scraps at a tackle shop.
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Hi Dennis,
I have been using beads since 2007 starting with trout and now using them for all river species.
Especially Steelhead. a few years back I landed 67 steelhead one season and had about a 50% hook and land ratio that year.
I would say that 90% of those fish were hooked on bead and the rest on Colorado's.
For steelhead I use a 10mm size bead. for Trout I use a 6 or 8mm bead depending on what salmon are spawning.
if it's Sockeye then 6mm. Chinook and Chum use 8mm.
as far as color goes it's a matter of "matching the hatch".
At the beginning of the season I like to use a color the looks like a freshly spawned egg.
later on I use something that looks washed out.
most important issue with beads is to peg them 1.5 inches above your hook.
if you are not getting any bites check your bead and make sure it's 1.5 inches above the hook.
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thanks so much guys!
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Dennis,
I'm not sure whether that's your box of bead in the picture but in my choices would be bottom left square, bottom right square, bottom second over from the right and second down front the top right (colored water choice)
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Spoiler,
How do you peg the beads 1.5" above the hook?
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Spoiler,
How do you peg the beads 1.5" above the hook?
Check out trout beads or creek candy beads for videos on how to do it. As well as beads to purchase. Steelhead beads as well.
A quick tip for pegs...go to the dollar store and look for silicone basting brushes. Look for clear or any hot colours. Way more economical than shop bought options.
Fred's has quite the selection in Abbotsford. I've bought most from there, Sea Run and Pacific Angler.
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Check out trout beads or creek candy beads for videos on how to do it. As well as beads to purchase. Steelhead beads as well.
A quick tip for pegs...go to the dollar store and look for silicone basting brushes. Look for clear or any hot colours. Way more economical than shop bought options.
Fred's has quite the selection in Abbotsford. I've bought most from there, Sea Run and Pacific Angler.
Regarding pegs, I use a rubber band, loop the leader and drag the rubber band through the hole. 2000% better than any pegs in the market. Cost nothing
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You don't need to mess around with pegs, rubber bands etc. Just loop your line through the bead twice and Voila
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You don't need to mess around with pegs, rubber bands etc. Just loop your line through the bead twice and Voila
twice is not enough, three times is fine. but the bead will still slide. After a few adjustment, the leader will be coil or damaged. Meanwhile, if there is a snag or bigger fish, the leader might break the bead or the bead will damage the leader.
but you can spend a similar peg time to tie the bead again.
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twice is not enough, three times is fine. but the bead will still slide. After a few adjustment, the leader will be coil or damaged. Meanwhile, if there is a snag or bigger fish, the leader might break the bead or the bead will damage the leader.
but you can spend a similar peg time to tie the bead again.
I use the loop around the bead twice method as well , never had a bead or leader break due to the loop
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I'm telling ya soft beads will land more fish. Check out these T Stops from BNR. They are awesome https://bnrtackle.com/product/soft-bead-t-stops-40-pack/
I stopped using hard beads 2 seasons ago. You'll have waaaaay more hookups with softs
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Are these beads much different to fishing Jenson eggs?
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Are these beads much different to fishing Jenson eggs?
OP can't use Jenson eggs on Squamish River due to bait ban. That's one advantage of bead vs Jenson egg.
EDIT: I guess he can opt to use unscented Jenson eggs.
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santé fe,
before they made trout peggs which are a tapered piece of rubber I always used round wooden toothpicks
just thread the bead on your leader and jam the trout pegg or toothpick into the hole on your bead to snug it up.
the beauty of using this system is that it allows you to make adjustments to the position of your bead relative to your hook.
although I said "peg the bead 1.5 inches above the hook" there are times where I'll fish it anywhere from 2 inches to 1 inch above the hook depending upon conditions.
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Are these beads much different to fishing Jenson eggs?
I’ve only been beading a couple of years so I don’t purport to be an expert with the technique.
Typically, Jensen eggs are fished at the hook which can result in deep hooking as the fish engulfs the egg and the hook along with it.
Typically, in beading, the bead is pegged on the leader approx 1.5” above the hook. The fish takes the bead and the trailing hook is set into the underside of the fish’s jaw. I have started my beading career with my flyrod and an indicator. No doubt my technique will evolve the more I get comfortable and familiar with it. I found several videos on YouTube that were helpful as I prepared to try it for the first time.
Spoiler,
How do you peg the beads 1.5" above the hook?
Others have good suggestions. For me, a piece of toothpick works fine.
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Spoiler,
Thanks, I've never thought of nor seen anyone putting a bead above a hook like that.
Will have to give it a try.
My usual is 1 or 2 jensen eggs and a bit of wool.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAvKlCX-yLU
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This handsome ct from last winter was my first beaded fish. It was a rewarding catch, particularly since I had done a bit of learning about the beading technique prior and it all came together on my first outing.
Notice how the hook is in the underside of the jaw, not inside the mouth.
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A quick tip for pegs...go to the dollar store and look for silicone basting brushes. Look for clear or any hot colours. Way more economical than shop bought options.
thanks but how do you insert the soft silicon brush bristle into a soft bead? normally you use a needle to get the soft bead onto the leader..sooo?
here's a video of how i do it...where does the silicone peg come into play?
https://youtu.be/A6-ZGH0XB3I?t=86
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thanks but how do you insert the soft silicon brush bristle into a soft bead? normally you use a needle to get the soft bead onto the leader..sooo?
here's a video of how i do it...where does the silicone peg come into play?
https://youtu.be/A6-ZGH0XB3I?t=86
Order some T-Stops from BnR tackle. They are by far the BEST way to peg a soft bead on the line. Even when you miss a bite, the bead will NEVER slide down on to the hook. Save your beads, save money and buy the T-Stops.
Also, I recommend to anyone to try the NeverQuit soft beads. They are by far the best beads on the market today. Extremely realistic. I know Hatch Matcher will be stocking up with these beads very soon.
https://neverquitfishing.com/collections/frontpage/products/nq-soft-beads-9mm?variant=32656011493461
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thank you!
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Order some T-Stops from BnR tackle. They are by far the BEST way to peg a soft bead on the line. Even when you miss a bite, the bead will NEVER slide down on to the hook. Save your beads, save money and buy the T-Stops.
Also, I recommend to anyone to try the NeverQuit soft beads. They are by far the best beads on the market today. Extremely realistic. I know Hatch Matcher will be stocking up with these beads very soon.
https://neverquitfishing.com/collections/frontpage/products/nq-soft-beads-9mm?variant=32656011493461
They are on Amazon now. You can get them by Sunday
https://www.amazon.ca/BNR-Tackle-pack-Artificial-Fishing/dp/B01N2BAW9H/ref=sr_1_3?crid=18PZPRPZGHLCT&dchild=1&keywords=bnr+tackle&qid=1600435148&sprefix=bnr%2Caps%2C223&sr=8-3
Very good quality and easy to use.
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I really like the work NQ does on their soft plastics but I haven't seen them locally yet (just follow them on instagram haha). Anyone know if Hatch Match'r has them in stock yet? Anyone tried the clusters? They look great but I have no idea how effective they'd be vs actual roe.
I'm new to beads this year and have only tried them a few times with no results, but I'm hoping they work as I love the format and the lack of replacing bait.
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They are on Amazon now. You can get them by Sunday
https://www.amazon.ca/BNR-Tackle-pack-Artificial-Fishing/dp/B01N2BAW9H/ref=sr_1_3?crid=18PZPRPZGHLCT&dchild=1&keywords=bnr+tackle&qid=1600435148&sprefix=bnr%2Caps%2C223&sr=8-3
Very good quality and easy to use.
Is it just me or are these all rather large? I'm new to beading as well - last weekend I was floating roe for coho on the Skagit (because the border is closed so I have to fish WA rivers - ugh) and I got no bites. A guy who was fishing from a drift boat right in front of me (that was near their limit for 3 guys) gave me a leader rigged up with a bead just like they were using with tiny split shot and a stopper 1.5 inches above the hook. I'm pretty sure it is 8mm, and it is a hard bead. I promptly got my 2 fish limit in an hour. I had always been skeptical of beads, but I am slowing coming around. I had thought that most fish were flossed on them, but from the take-downs I got, and the slow water they were hooked in, I am confident those were real hard strikes.
Those who float fish beads - how long of a leader do you use, and do you use any split shot on your leader? If so, how do you keep the split shot from sliding down to the bead?
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I use split shot spaced "shirt button" style with incrementally smaller lead going to the hook. Its a technique I learned fishing the big rivers in UK. You get a nice wafting presentation in light currents but the heavier split shot keep the bait from floating up too much above mid depth.
I use small split shot ranging from #4 to #10 (tiny for my eyes these days). I stock up every time I'm in a UK tackle shop :)
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They are on Amazon now. You can get them by Sunday
https://www.amazon.ca/BNR-Tackle-pack-Artificial-Fishing/dp/B01N2BAW9H/ref=sr_1_3?crid=18PZPRPZGHLCT&dchild=1&keywords=bnr+tackle&qid=1600435148&sprefix=bnr%2Caps%2C223&sr=8-3
Very good quality and easy to use.
Any local tackle shop in BC can bring in BNR tackle products. I know that a local tackle distributor carries them in stock. One just needs to ask their favorite store to bring them in
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Is it just me or are these all rather large? I'm new to beading as well - last weekend I was floating roe for coho on the Skagit (because the border is closed so I have to fish WA rivers - ugh) and I got no bites. A guy who was fishing from a drift boat right in front of me (that was near their limit for 3 guys) gave me a leader rigged up with a bead just like they were using with tiny split shot and a stopper 1.5 inches above the hook. I'm pretty sure it is 8mm, and it is a hard bead. I promptly got my 2 fish limit in an hour. I had always been skeptical of beads, but I am slowing coming around. I had thought that most fish were flossed on them, but from the take-downs I got, and the slow water they were hooked in, I am confident those were real hard strikes.
Those who float fish beads - how long of a leader do you use, and do you use any split shot on your leader? If so, how do you keep the split shot from sliding down to the bead?
Pro pack has 3 different sizes for each color. They are just fine :)
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I really like the work NQ does on their soft plastics but I haven't seen them locally yet (just follow them on instagram haha). Anyone know if Hatch Match'r has them in stock yet? Anyone tried the clusters? They look great but I have no idea how effective they'd be vs actual roe.
I'm new to beads this year and have only tried them a few times with no results, but I'm hoping they work as I love the format and the lack of replacing bait.
I have an entire Plano case full of NQ beads and a few Prawn tail plastics. I can tell you with 100% certainty the craftsmanship is superior to any soft bead on the market today. Period ! The embryo beads literally have a bead within a bead giving them the most realistic looking embryo bead out there. I wish i could show you my box. I jave not tried the clusters but guys say they work fine too. I ended up ordering everything directly from Todd and his website. Honestly he's a great person and if you place a big order your package will most likely come with goodies that you never placed in your cart. I stand by this product 100%
I'll try and take a picture of my NQ box and post it here
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Any local tackle shop in BC can bring in BNR tackle products. I know that a local tackle distributor carries them in stock. One just needs to ask their favorite store to bring them in
I know Freds and Chilliwack Dart and Tackle carries them. BnR products are a clear #2 for me. I love how their beads ( and worms ) are molded with hols in them already. They make it super simple. No needle required
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Is it just me or are these all rather large? I'm new to beading as well - last weekend I was floating roe for coho on the Skagit (because the border is closed so I have to fish WA rivers - ugh) and I got no bites. A guy who was fishing from a drift boat right in front of me (that was near their limit for 3 guys) gave me a leader rigged up with a bead just like they were using with tiny split shot and a stopper 1.5 inches above the hook. I'm pretty sure it is 8mm, and it is a hard bead. I promptly got my 2 fish limit in an hour. I had always been skeptical of beads, but I am slowing coming around. I had thought that most fish were flossed on them, but from the take-downs I got, and the slow water they were hooked in, I am confident those were real hard strikes.
Those who float fish beads - how long of a leader do you use, and do you use any split shot on your leader? If so, how do you keep the split shot from sliding down to the bead?
I use weight on my mainline only. Just an 18" leader. Thats it. For salmon I find a smaller bead works the best. Later in the year around Jan or Feb you can tarelget steel with a 14mm bead.
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All Never Quit beads
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another company i like is steelybeads. some really cool patterns.
https://www.steelybeads.com/
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@Hike_and_fish if you had to pick your top three colours/sizes for salmon what would they be? How has NQ's shipping been lately coming from the US? I'm going to put an order in for sure.
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@Hike_and_fish if you had to pick your top three colours/sizes for salmon what would they be? How has NQ's shipping been lately coming from the US? I'm going to put an order in for sure.
I can not comment on what works for salmon because I don't use beads for salmon. Only Steelhead, char and trout. As for shipping, I can say 100% that everything has come within 1 week. Always !Todd is on point with shipping. I wish I could say the same for Cleardrift because they were by far hands down WORST for shipping time. Sometimes my orders with Cleardrift came months after ordering. Never Quit beads came within a week. Ive made three orders with him over the past year and they have arrived on time every time. The last order was just a few weeks ago during this pandemic and they still arrived in one week.
I will add that for anyone who is stuck on hard beads, try the soft beads. Ive found that the fish hold on to them jist a little bit longer than hard beads.
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First year with soft beads. Do you use scents? Would you suggest running the beads from my drift setup (similar to roe or jigs), or should I run it from a lighter spinning rod with a light float indicator? I’ll probably do some trial and error, but any tips would be appreciated.
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I will add that for anyone who is stuck on hard beads, try the soft beads. Ive found that the fish hold on to them jist a little bit longer than hard beads.
The cleardrift soft beads have an unpleasant plastic odour. How is the Never quit bead?
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First year with soft beads. Do you use scents? Would you suggest running the beads from my drift setup (similar to roe or jigs), or should I run it from a lighter spinning rod with a light float indicator? I’ll probably do some trial and error, but any tips would be appreciated.
No to scents, yes pretty well all soft beads have an odor but I've never had an issue. Ill often pre-rig a bunch and leave to air dry for a few days then tie all my pre ties to a pool noodle. I run my bead on 4 setups. Baitcaster, centerpin, small spinning setup ( if im beading for trout ) and on occasions a fly rod. I use a 20g float. Fishing a soft bead it's the same as with roe. No different
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Just ordered soft beads from Bnr tackle and T-stops were included. Ordered on Monday afternoon and they were in mailbox Tuesday AM. They were possibly in mailbox Monday as I did not check.
This was sent by USPS.
Basically one week for delivery.
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Just ordered soft beads from Bnr tackle and T-stops were included. Ordered on Monday afternoon and they were in mailbox Tuesday AM. They were possibly in mailbox Monday as I did not check.
This was sent by USPS.
Basically one week for delivery.
Just ordered soft beads from Bnr tackle and T-stops were included. Ordered on Monday afternoon and they were in mailbox Tuesday AM. They were possibly in mailbox Monday as I did not check.
This was sent by USPS.
Basically one week for delivery.
this one? the beads look big... https://www.bnrtackle.com/product/pro-pack-slammin-salmon/
oh and i noticed something called a doggin' kit...i've never seen that used on local rivers...ineffective?
https://www.bnrtackle.com/product/bobber-doggin-pack/
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I ordered them in various sizes from 8mm to 14 as well as the 10mm stink eye version.
You can order any size from 8mm to32mm and pick what colours you like. I ordered 2 pro packs and Few stink eye versions
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I ordered them in various sizes from 8mm to 14 as well as the 10mm stink eye version.
You can order any size from 8mm to32mm and pick what colours you like. I ordered 2 pro packs and Few stink eye versions
thanks. I looked up some their vids -and all i can say is "wow". They have skills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Njh4GPT1oo&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Njh4GPT1oo&feature=emb_title)
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Anyone know if there is a way to reuse the BNR T-Stops or are they pretty much one use only once you've put them on your leader?
If I want to try out various coloured beads through out the day and the only way I can see of getting more than one use out of a T-Stop is to make my leader a little longer than normal so that I can cut it off at my swivel, swap out the bead and re-tie to the swivel.
I guess the other option is to tie up a bunch of different colours beforehand with swivels and just attach to my mainline with a snap swivel. At least they could be reused multiple times until the line is worn out.
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Anyone know if there is a way to reuse the BNR T-Stops or are they pretty much one use only once you've put them on your leader?
If I want to try out various coloured beads through out the day and the only way I can see of getting more than one use out of a T-Stop is to make my leader a little longer than normal so that I can cut it off at my swivel, swap out the bead and re-tie to the swivel.
I guess the other option is to tie up a bunch of different colours beforehand with swivels and just attach to my mainline with a snap swivel. At least they could be reused multiple times until the line is worn out.
I just ordered some soft beads today, and their website suggests using the T-Stop with the T on top, so you can slip the soft bead over your hook and change out to a different color that way. I haven't tried it yet.
Also an idea similar to the video that was linked earlier in this thread - I think - what if you slide the T-stop up the old leader, clip off your hook, tie a loop below the T-stop, slip the end of the new leader in the loop, then pull the T-stop down onto the new leader? Haven't tried it so I don't know how well it will hold up.
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I just ordered some soft beads today, and their website suggests using the T-Stop with the T on top, so you can slip the soft bead over your hook and change out to a different color that way. I haven't tried it yet.
Also an idea similar to the video that was linked earlier in this thread - I think - what if you slide the T-stop up the old leader, clip off your hook, tie a loop below the T-stop, slip the end of the new leader in the loop, then pull the T-stop down onto the new leader? Haven't tried it so I don't know how well it will hold up.
Thanks for the tips, haven't tried either of those either. Will give them both a try next time out and report back.
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I use T-stops for all my beads. They work with any brand of soft bead.
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Any home made "mgyver" bead stops (soft beads) to be had? I've been to 2 stores and they had none in stock. I tried double knotting a piece of dental floss on monofilament as well as a thin rubber band...but both slipped....thx for any ideas...
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Any home made "mgyver" bead stops (soft beads) to be had? I've been to 2 stores and they had none in stock. I tried double knotting a piece of dental floss on monofilament as well as a thin rubber band...but both slipped....thx for any ideas...
You can use float stops, Hatchmatchr has lots in stock.
https://www.hatchmatchr.com/products/dne-float-stopper/
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Float stops and mini sequins.
I found that even with T-stops, if you get into fish or a snag, the bead will still pull through.
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I found the bead pulled through as well while fighting a Chinook but was able to push the bead back through afterwords. Will see how long that holds up...
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Float stops and mini sequins.
I found that even with T-stops, if you get into fish or a snag, the bead will still pull through.
And ? Who cares. A fish is still worth the cost of a bead. Pack a beads is like 5 bux. T-stops shine the best when you fail to set the hook on a bite. Thats the whole purpose of a T-stop. With a bobber stop a fail on a set would result in a bead right on the shank of the hook. Its toast at that point. Ive been using T-Stops for years. I find that they are vest when used with beads without the molded hole in the center. The BNR beads WILL slip over the hole after a few missed opportunities. While the other beads loke Never Quit tend to stay on longer.
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Just answering a guys questions, no need for the abruptness. Just need to set someone's expectations about bead stops no matter which they get.
I agree, you can just readjust the bead. In fact, you can just put the soft bead thru the hook to rest on top of the hook eye, i've caught and seen others catch this way.
Probably not a big deal as you say in the long run.
I've lost more hard beads with the line wrapped twice (most solid pegging) )due to snags faster than i ever lose the soft beads becoming unusable due to wear and tear.