Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gooey on August 17, 2007, 09:43:38 AM
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I am curious to see how many people are sitting around waiting for the springs and the socks to show up each year on the fraser.
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No, I've never fished for salmon.
Fraser / Capilano /Vedder are too crowded for me.
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Doesn't affect me in the least. Too expensive driving out to the valley and too stressful putting up with the antics of the so called fishermen.
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most of the people it will affect are most likely not inernet posters. The large general part of the populations goes out there to be able to retain a fish and eat it. They really don't care about all the bottom bouncing bashing and whatever else that happens on the inertnet. Your question asked here will most likely show the same results. At the fiscal end of this year MoE and DFO will be able to tell by the amount of salmon stamps and fishing license sales sold.
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save all the money you would spend on corkies, betties, leader, gas, ect. and buy a boat.... and fish the chuck.... that's what i've done and .... there is no salmon lacking in my diet. As a bonus i've got prawns, crab, halibut ect...... I won't miss the sockeye, mind you i did get a dozen or so from Alberni out in the salt.
I'm sure the tackle shops sales of sage 4120s and calcutta reels will drop through the floor.
As for liscences...... I spend hundreds in liscencing every year..... fishing and hunting..... a closure of the fraser makes good sense to me and will NOT have any effect on my fishing behavior.
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Lol i'm too new of a fisher for the fraser to affect me. Right now i'm still trying to catch my first on the cap!
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yeah for sure i've never used baits for the cap. Dew worms are great though for the pier on marine and 15th or 14th. Well i was hoping to get a pink salmon at the cap not really aiming for coho atm.
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Does not affect me one bit. I am fishing 5min from my house on the lower and have not been above the stave on the fraser once this year. I have been able to get all my pink flies done as well as my flies for coho and chum. I have also caught up on a little reading and been able to keep my wife happy by being home more ;D . The only thing it will affect is where I fish on the other rivers as those will now be full of flossers that would usually stay on the fraser. If you thought that the lower veddar was bad before wait till the gong show shows up. Also wonder how many people will just go into hope and fish the bar above the bridge that extends down from the mouth of the coquihalla river. I guess the best case would be if most of the flossers that usually fish the fraser just don't bother to even pick up the rod this year but I guess this would just be a dream.
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Does not affect me one bit. I am fishing 5min from my house on the lower and have not been above the stave on the fraser once this year. I have been able to get all my pink flies done as well as my flies for coho and chum. I have also caught up on a little reading and been able to keep my wife happy by being home more ;D . The only thing it will affect is where I fish on the other rivers as those will now be full of flossers that would usually stay on the fraser. If you thought that the lower veddar was bad before wait till the gong show shows up. Also wonder how many people will just go into hope and fish the bar above the bridge that extends down from the mouth of the coquihalla river. I guess the best case would be if most of the flossers that usually fish the fraser just don't bother to even pick up the rod this year but I guess this would just be a dream.
I wonder myself whether there will be a dramatic increase in the pressure on the Vedder and other rivers. I know that many people took their holidays during the sockeye season. Maybe they will be taking their holidays during coho season on the vedder this year? :-\
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people arent going to get there fishin fix in, and now will crownd the vedder. Close the nativs down first, that would be a step
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most of the people it will affect are most likely not inernet posters. The large general part of the populations goes out there to be able to retain a fish and eat it. They really don't care about all the bottom bouncing bashing and whatever else that happens on the inertnet. Your question asked here will most likely show the same results. At the fiscal end of this year MoE and DFO will be able to tell by the amount of salmon stamps and fishing license sales sold.
Not necessarily as a lot of people may have bought them in advance.
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Don't care too much for BB because it just takes too much energy. Basically, your whole day is wasted when you get home. Too tired to move after getting home. I am waiting for the up coming coho fishing on the Vedder or maybe Pinks and White Spring.
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#1 - I expected that most people here wouldnt be affected by the closure...I was just looking to confirm.
#2 - I am not concerned this will impact the vedder fishery. I think people who wait for socks and wont get to fish them this year will not buy liscences. I hope this summer fishery being shut down means there are less flossers with liscences come fall. But thats why I think DFO needs to do more work now to regulate flossing.
As my other thread indicates, I think its time for some wide sweeping regulation changes like 30 inch leaders max, lets get back to the sport side of sports fishing where it requires some work and dedication to learn how to fish, read water, make good bait, etc...flossing is the lazy fisherman's crutch and its about time we kicked it out from under him!!!
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I'll just fish the lower Fraser for Pinks and perhaps sturgeon, then I will head out for some early Coho in a couple weeks and hope that there are some decent Coho returns this year. ;)
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Personally it doesn't affect me at all,its a bloody gong show and if they ever open it up in the future it needs to b e regulated better ,with leader restrictions,and catch quotas ,just to name a couple of ideas.if fish for the freezer is what people want there are enough fishing opps during the course of a year to get more than enough fish for the freezer,all that is required is a license some gear ,and the ability to learn how to actually fish.sorry i told myself i wasn't going to get into this issue this year but oh well i think i will have another beer.
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if they ever open it up in the future it needs to b e regulated better ,with leader restrictions,and catch quotas ,just to name a couple of ideas.
You're probably right with that assumption and its a good time to start creating and enforcing regulations accordingly like a quota similar to chinook and/or specific tag for sockeye.
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As much as i hate to see fishing closures on our waters something had to be done ,if the sockey fishery is to ever exist again in the future there needs to be some changes,what the answers are i don't know but we can regulate all we want but without proper enforcement the regulations mean nothing.
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As much as i hate to see fishing closures on our waters something had to be done ,if the sockey fishery is to ever exist again in the future there needs to be some changes,what the answers are i don't know but we can regulate all we want but without proper enforcement the regulations mean nothing.
Well said Searun.
Major changes are in order....
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hell, i live right at the mouth of the fraser. i've got spots at all the point of entries where salmon travel. the only thing i'll miss is the beauty of the fraser valley.
next trip up river will be for coho. 8)
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There are always other fish to catch. Lower Fraser pinks are going to be fun, so is the Seymour pinks, Cap mouth coho, etc. There is always bass to fill in the void. Hell, add carp & crab to that.... Sockeye who? ;D
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Was hoping to do a bar trip or two but other than that it wont effect me at all.
Good to see drastic measures in what seams desperate times.
Bring on the Pinks. ;D
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It affects my liveliood drastically.. Many trips canceled even in October from people in the US and over seas not willing to risk the chance it won't be open.. millions being lost in tourism as a result of this irrisponsible POLITICAL decision.
Don't fool yourself, this has NOTHING to do with conservation or what's in the better interest of the sockeye.
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No! I did Hurling once that was enough. When I fly fished socks I went to Lillooet or the open sections of the Thompson.
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As my other thread indicates, I think its time for some wide sweeping regulation changes like 30 inch leaders max, lets get back to the sport side of sports fishing where it requires some work and dedication to learn how to fish, read water, make good bait, etc...flossing is the lazy fisherman's crutch and its about time we kicked it out from under him!!!
I don't know about you Gooey, but I don't like to sit around and wait for fish, that's why I prefer mooching over trolling. And as bbing and barfishing, gee it's a bore doing barfishing. I would prefer to be casting and retreiving, then sitting around. (I don't see why sitting around and wait is the less lazy way of fishing) That isn't looking for fish, that's waiting for fish to come to you. By the way, if you think bbing is no brainer than why only those few on the river are always successful and other's not? Both bbing and barfishing are same in the sence you can't just cast out into a location and hope for the best. Both fishing method require the fisher to know the river bottom structure and where different fish specie likes to travel to have consistent success.
Such as last pink season. So many bbers out at Pegleg trying to catch pinks but they weren't having a lot of success why? Little did they reallize where they were standing the depth is just right for pinks. For those that fly fished there before probably would know, you only need to wade knee deep and cast fly 20feet out and you'll be into pinks (top end of Pegleg); there's no need of wading to waist deep for pinks.
So bbing is lazy men's way of fishing? Not by a long shot.
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As my other thread indicates, I think its time for some wide sweeping regulation changes like 30 inch leaders max, lets get back to the sport side of sports fishing where it requires some work and dedication to learn how to fish, read water, make good bait, etc...flossing is the lazy fisherman's crutch and its about time we kicked it out from under him!!!
I don't know about you Gooey, but I don't like to sit around and wait for fish, that's why I prefer mooching over trolling. And as bbing and barfishing, gee it's a bore doing barfishing. I would prefer to be casting and retreiving, then sitting around. (I don't see why sitting around and wait is the less lazy way of fishing) That isn't looking for fish, that's waiting for fish to come to you. By the way, if you think bbing is no brainer than why only those few on the river are always successful and other's not? Both bbing and barfishing are same in the sence you can't just cast out into a location and hope for the best. Both fishing method require the fisher to know the river bottom structure and where different fish specie likes to travel to have consistent success.
Such as last pink season. So many bbers out at Pegleg trying to catch pinks but they weren't having a lot of success why? Little did they reallize where they were standing the depth is just right for pinks. For those that fly fished there before probably would know, you only need to wade knee deep and cast fly 20feet out and you'll be into pinks (top end of Pegleg); there's no need of wading to waist deep for pinks.
So bbing is lazy men's way of fishing? Not by a long shot.
Well, if it's a more active way of fishing you want then why not bait fish creek mouths or chuck spoons? When the clarity is good enough spooon fishing can be quite good in the upper fraser. It's still "selective" fishing.. BB'ing is a lazy man's fishing not because of the ammount of work to cast and retrieve, but the ease in which to intercept a fish accidentally instead of inciting a bite.
johnny, the will BB for sox when they're open but not BB when they're closed guy.
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Hi Jonny, ya I do chuck spoons. Like I said, there's nothing easy about BBing. If you don't know what you're doing you can be there casting for days and not getting a fish.
As Cammer said, sall FN wanted was the river to themselves so no observer. They don't care what fishing method your using. As before, the excuse 'recreational fishermen interfere with their netting'.
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Yeup, now that the sporties are out of the bars, the poachers and illegal netting natives can have their fun w/o any one around to report them. ;D
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Johnny had it right, I called flossing lazy as you dont have to work find a fish that is willing to bite, you dont have to work on your presentation, your bait, you dont have to do anything but slap on a weight, a long leader, and cast. I put my time in, I learn all these things, I studied the trade, paid my dues and now I think its safe to say, I am a very good rod. The average joe doesnt want to put that much effort in now, they simply want that glory shot holding a big fish.
Entimology, learning the hatches, tying flies to match the hatch, learning how to properly present a fly...things like that are why fly fishing is a reverred a form of fishing as it is. Bottom bouncing is at the exact opposite end of the spectrum. Any beak with any level of experience can hook a fish in any river with a bit of current in it...flossing a sock is one thing but the gong shows and long leaders on the cap, vedder, chehalis, etc....they have to go and if you think there is no connection between the sock fishery and flossing everywhere else, then you are a fool.
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johnny and gooey you need to stop tootin' on your own horns. you both admit to bb for sockeye during openings, so does that make you lazy? i for one have enticed them to bite while short floating and a flyfisher friend of mine have caught them using krill patterns while fishing the harrison....success rate was obviously lower than the bbser's, but the bottom line is you can entice them to bite.
yes, there are alot of poor attitudes out on the river, but the last thing you want is to come across arrogant where you put people in a defensive posture. once you do that, they stop listening.
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johnny and gooey you need to stop tootin' on your own horns. you both admit to bb for sockeye during openings, so does that make you lazy? i for one have enticed them to bite while short floating and a flyfisher friend of mine have caught them using krill patterns while fishing the harrison....success rate was obviously lower than the bbser's, but the bottom line is you can entice them to bite.
yes, there are alot of poor attitudes out on the river, but the last thing you want is to come across arrogant where you put people in a defensive posture. once you do that, they stop listening.
I think you miss the point. Sockeye fishing = HARVEST(not "sportfishing"). For me it is only about gathering some meat for the freezer, canner and smoker. Sockeye tastes good, and the most efficient way to get my fish and go home is to floss. It has nothing to do with arrogance, nor am I a staunch advocate for no BB'ing on the fraser.
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A refreshingly honest and frank statement around here ::)
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The closure will have very little effect on my fishing habits as there is always the ocean, the Vedder, the Squamish, Chehalis, the Thompson to mention a few as well as a gazillion lakes to fish. I did enjoy my time bbing as do all my friends who fish and most of the guys I work with on site also bb. One fellow caught 96LBS of springs just last weekend alone. All this crying and boohooing over our resource about something that is LEGAL while the big nets sweep away. Funniest thing of all is that these bar fishing special interest groups did'nt even get a shot at their boring little sport because they kept their lips flapping about all those bad people doing those bad things that just happen to be LEGAL until dfo decided, these guys just make it far to easy for us. Shut it all down. Quite hilarious really. All I know is that I've had a great time so far this season, caught way to many springs, enjoyed good times with the boys and if they never open the Fraser again, no big deal, won't affect me at all. Oh by the way, just thought I'd mention to those people who say that bbers are the least experienced and only do it for the harvest of meat, RIGHT :D ;) :D. I've been fishing for 40 of my 51 years and I'd say I have one or two tricks up my sleeve and as for the harvest part of it. I don't eat fish, yuck, well not to often anyway. My wife does try to get me to try more but I've never liked the taste. I always give away my fish. Canned a hundred jars of salmon last year and I only ate 4, but they do make great gifts. Also gave away many, many spring and sockeye fillets as I know most people don't like bones so I always fillet the fish. Well I've got to prepare for a week up to the Thompson and Hundred Mile area so I shall bid you adeau. A final word. Go ahead and close down bbing dfo it won't bother me one bit, I only do it for the good times we have together, the thrill of a 30 or 40 LBER peeling your line out as it goes with the current and for the pics. Love the pics. But I can still do all that from a boat in the ocean. One thing closing it down will do is hurt the retailers and local economies, it will not, and I repeat will not save the sockeye. But have at it. Oh,Oh, I see a herd of pirhanna heading my way, time to fire up the old engine and exit, stage left. Byyyeee.
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johnny and gooey you need to stop tootin' on your own horns. you both admit to bb for sockeye during openings, so does that make you lazy? i for one have enticed them to bite while short floating and a flyfisher friend of mine have caught them using krill patterns while fishing the harrison....success rate was obviously lower than the bbser's, but the bottom line is you can entice them to bite.
yes, there are alot of poor attitudes out on the river, but the last thing you want is to come across arrogant where you put people in a defensive posture. once you do that, they stop listening.
I think you miss the point. Sockeye fishing = HARVEST(not "sportfishing"). For me it is only about gathering some meat for the freezer, canner and smoker. Sockeye tastes good, and the most efficient way to get my fish and go home is to floss. It has nothing to do with arrogance, nor am I a staunch advocate for no BB'ing on the fraser.
So you are saying that you would spend gas money to get to your fishing hole, money for your gear, and waste a whole day of your time just to "harvest" fish ??? seems a little silly to me, if it is only about the meat why wouldn't you just buy it ? it would cost you a whole lot less !!
I haven't been out this year BB, bit last year I did and it was a blast, it was a chance to get together with my friends and spend an enjoyable day on the river... plus the chance to battle a few big Springs !! :)
I really don;t think people just do it for the meat , they do it for the fun of having a Spring on the end of the line, the meat is just a bonus !!
TH
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You are so right TH, the meat is just a bonus but the real bonus is the great memories and sharing them with friends.
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TH and Athezone, I am with you guys all the way. Meat is only a bonus for a nice day out with friends. By the way, BB for springs is not a lazy game for those of us who have done it for years. It takes skill and analysis any given day you BB for springs. Some days, you will find springs hang in close, some days they are way out. Probably fish from different river systems have different water preference. You need to adapt to water depth & flow speed with different weights all the time. So, experiences count. How many greenies you know have caught springs consistently? But the good rods know where springs travel or hold out and they are the ones always with one or multiple hook ups in any given day. So BB is a no brainer? Give me a break. Perhaps during peak sockeye run, but not for springs. ;)
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johnny and gooey you need to stop tootin' on your own horns. you both admit to bb for sockeye during openings, so does that make you lazy? i for one have enticed them to bite while short floating and a flyfisher friend of mine have caught them using krill patterns while fishing the harrison....success rate was obviously lower than the bbser's, but the bottom line is you can entice them to bite.
yes, there are alot of poor attitudes out on the river, but the last thing you want is to come across arrogant where you put people in a defensive posture. once you do that, they stop listening.
I think you miss the point. Sockeye fishing = HARVEST(not "sportfishing"). For me it is only about gathering some meat for the freezer, canner and smoker. Sockeye tastes good, and the most efficient way to get my fish and go home is to floss. It has nothing to do with arrogance, nor am I a staunch advocate for no BB'ing on the fraser.
So you are saying that you would spend gas money to get to your fishing hole, money for your gear, and waste a whole day of your time just to "harvest" fish ??? seems a little silly to me, if it is only about the meat why wouldn't you just buy it ? it would cost you a whole lot less !!
I haven't been out this year BB, bit last year I did and it was a blast, it was a chance to get together with my friends and spend an enjoyable day on the river... plus the chance to battle a few big Springs !! :)
I really don;t think people just do it for the meat , they do it for the fun of having a Spring on the end of the line, the meat is just a bonus !!
TH
Well, given that I live on the river and launch my boat about 1000 yards away from my driveway and fish directly across the river, already have a boat, license, rods etc. it would be MUCH more costly to spend the gas to get to town and then more money to buy the fish at top dollar from a store(would NEVER buy from illegal sources..).. and how can you compare the freshness??
I, too, bar fish and enjoy it emmensly for the same reasons you stated and agree that the catching is a bonus BUT when putting up with the crowds BB'ing, it's all about the meat. Like it or not it's at least an honest answer...
and steelhawk, try to hook those same fish through an enticed bite, under varying conditions, and tell me which takes more "skill". ;)
johnny, who's been known to do both.