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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: kingpin on August 02, 2016, 07:18:29 PM
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Below the highway bridge . Unbelievable , if this becomes a thing you can kiss this River goodbye
Edit , apparently they have an opening yarrow down til August 4th , horrible
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Well if that doesn't leach the carbon out of your rod - nothing will.
So much for endangered run conservation. >:( I guess someone decided there were too many sockeye in the river this year and they had to start culling the run to ensure spawning space.
This doesn't make me very happy.
Damage done. Not the first time and sadly it won't be the last.
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what endangered run?
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I would assume that he is referring to the Cultus Lake sockeye which according to the DFO site start entering the river in August.
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Old news however or whatever .
http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/245041051.html?mobile=true
http://www.theprogress.com/news/163890036.html
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oh dearie me! In our rush to make everyone 'equal' there's little but racist hostility to harvest methods of others. It's also kind of interesting that if you look at C/V creel census data 1st Nations users take quite a number of fish through the salmon season - I guess as long as they are not visible, no one cares.
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Yep, in big aluminum boats with Merc outboards. Just like their ancestors did it!
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Do any of us do it like our ancestors did it? ;D
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Yep, in big aluminum boats with Merc outboards. Just like their ancestors did it!
Do you drive to work in a horse drawn carriage? The law specifically assumes and allows improved technology for native fishing.
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A couple of excerpts from the articles:
Sports groups were notified of the fishery and Victor said there was no opposition.
In the meantime, the aboriginal fishery could be a wonderful demonstration fishery, he suggested.
"I think people would enjoy watching the traditional methods."
I'd enjoy watching a more traditional spearfishing or something like that :) I do not enjoy watching netting.
As to the suggestion that anything that's pointing out unfairness in treating sport fishing vs. FN's fishing is racist: accusing someone of being racist is a strong accusation and does not serve the debate. I'd suggest that calling someone a racist is bulling. If this is done out of feeling of guilt – this is your guilt to deal with, not everyone's.
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I can understand them netting the canal if there are plenty of fish. I know their ancestors would often block off an entire stream. Given any conservation effort though, blocking 100% of the river just frustrates me to no end. In the name of conservation, I would think all FN groups should agree that no more than 50% of the water over 2 feet deep will be blocked by a net unless there are no escapement concerns.
Nets in the Fraser are frustrating but at least the fish have a chance out there.
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A couple of excerpts from the articles:
I'd enjoy watching a more traditional spearfishing or something like that :) I do not enjoy watching netting.
The dip net fishery on some of the rivers down off the Columbia are amazing to watch. Extremely dangerous and scary but amazing.
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When this fishery opportunity was being proposed in 2012, my colleagues and I were quite involved in the discussion. The two methodologies proposed were seining in the lower river downstream from the railway bridge, and dip netting in the upper river. All of us were in favour of these as they would have very little impact on not just the sockeye salmon being targeted but also the chinook salmon mixed in between which the recreational anglers target, and minimize conflicts between user groups. While catch success for them was very low during that year, it was good to see new fishing opportunities being proposed for them and backed up by the rec group while opportunities in the Fraser River were not available.
Personally I'm not aware of any discussion this year to have drift gill nets added to these methodologies for this fishery, so I'm a bit surprised to see this. It's a six day opening and the practice is being allowed day and night in the section of the river downstream from the railway bridge in Yarrow. There's nothing wrong with the opportunities given considering how many sockeye salmon we are seeing coming into the river this year, but the methodology needs to be reviewed I think.
I'm pretty sure all chinook salmon being intercepted have to be released, but one has to wonder how it affects the chinook salmon fishing further upstream in the coming days when there are nets being strung across the canal. The good news is that we are at the tail end of the chinook salmon fishery I guess. I've addressed the above concerns to those who are responsible for this and will post follow-ups when/if they become available.
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How often are they required to check the net? There have been studies done on the mortality rates of being caught on a rod and reel and the stress that causes fish but what about being stuck in a net for an hour and then not gingerly released? I can't imagine the stress that causes does well for the fish so even if they are released, I'd question how many of them are making it up to spawn.
Seine net and dip nets I think would be much more ideal than a gill net. I've seen how a spooked fish can hit the net so hard that there is almost no way to save them they get so tangled. I don't see any that get passed the net, get freaked and come barreling back downstream with the current behind them and plowing into the net not being severely harmed no matter the species.
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Time to work on getting gill nets banned.
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That's where the new Fraser Fishing Alliance might be of help if enough people become members. Sport fishing needs an organization to represent its interests.
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It's a six day opening and the practice is being allowed day and night in the section of the river downstream from the railway bridge in Yarrow. There's nothing wrong with the opportunities given considering how many sockeye salmon we are seeing coming into the river this year, but the methodology needs to be reviewed I think.
Was there a DFO Fisheries Notice issued for this particular opening on the Vedder? I tried to find it on the DFO site ( http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm ) but was unsuccessful.
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I've looked for the fishery notice but it's not in there. I don't understand why it isn't. Instead the opening information is on the Lower Fraser First Nations communal opening times page.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html
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I'm no expert on the subject, but is it possible that the picture is of a seine operation? The seining I have observed (in the ocean) generally involves laying out the net straight across the school's travel path, waiting for fish to hit the net, then bringing the end around to circle the fish. Couldn't that be what they are doing here?
Edit - I just saw the link Rod posted, and I see the opening is listed as "set net, dip net, drift net".
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Interesting
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-salmon-decline-teslin-1.3703873
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Thats actually sad
Interesting
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-salmon-decline-teslin-1.3703873
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Thats actually sad
Hardly sad. First Nations have been sharing the bounty of nature for a long time. It wouldn't be the first time that one group brought food that they had an abundance of to another group in need. Remember, Alexander McKenzie was fed by the natives in what is now Prince George and in Bella Coola too.
I was in the Interpretive Center in Teslin and saw the pictures and a short video of the celebration of brotherhood this event made possible. Both groups of Tlingit had a blast paddling, dancing, singing and eating together. It was more a "family reunion" than an emergency airlift from what I saw and there were a lot of smiles on everyone in the pictures. Just don't let the Tahltan men and the Tlingit men get together because they get along as well as the Bella Coola and Bella Bella men. At least that was what the Tlingit woman in the Center told us.
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I find this opening very questionable. First, the vast majority of Chilliwack Lake sockeye, the stock they are trying to harvest, have moved through the lower river now. Cultus Lake sockeye are however now migrating in this area. The Sto Lo Tribal Council was very vocal in their attempts to have Cultus sockeye listed under SARA and were adamant there should be no harvest of these fish, anywhere.
I question if DFO knows about this ... if so, the whole Cultus Lake sockeye recovery program needs to re-evaluated.
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Here is the response addressed in point forms from DFO regarding the concerns I brought up in the last post. This should provide a better understanding for those who are questioning the fishery.
1. DFO has been working with Chilliwack First Nations since 2012 on opportunities on the Chilliwack River. In recent years the fishery was confined to the area upstream of the DFO hatchery.
2. Catches in this area and the lake have been very low (in past years as well as 2016) due to the migration pattern of the sockeye i.e. they arrive at the lake and immediately go deep where they can’t be caught in the nets.
3. In 2016, due to the very low forecast for Fraser sockeye, DFO and First Nations have been exploring opportunities in terminal areas where abundance permits i.e. the Chilliwack, Harrison and Pitt Rivers. No fishery has taken place on the Pitt and there has been a limited fishery on the Harrison.
4. The timing of the release of the Salmon IFMP, which has the details on the management regime, and the initiation of these terminal fisheries was tight and did not allow for broad communication regarding 2016 fishing plans. I understand some members of the Peacemakers have been discussing this fishery with the Chilliwack First Nations and may provide additional information to this group.
5. The low Fraser sockeye forecast means it is extremely unlikely the First Nations FSC harvest targets will be met this year and DFO has provided flexibility in fishing plans to access more abundant stocks like the Chilliwack.
6. In addition to the fishery upstream of the DFO hatchery, a fishing opportunity has been authorized for up to two set nets (anchored to shore on one end) to fish, one at the Highway #1 bridge and one at the train bridge downstream of that. This fishery is open until tomorrow when it will be reviewed and perhaps extended.
7. You may be aware that the Chilliwack First Nations traditionally fished on this river, continue to have an interest in reviving the traditional fishery, and as abundance increases as does their interest in fishing in these traditional areas, although likely with more modern gear.
8. The timing of this fishery is to target Chilliwack sockeye and avoid Cultus Lake sockeye. We are nearing the end of the migration of Chilliwack sockeye.
9. Only one net has fished and it has fished at the Highway #1 bridge.
10. Catch to date from the river and lake is less than 500 sockeye and 5 chinook.
11. From the picture you sent, which is from the side of the river, it is difficult to see how far the net reaches. Attached is a picture from the middle of the river that shows the area which is open to allow for migration past the net. This is consistent with other terminal fisheries authorized in Pacific Region.
12. The nets are attended at all times and require the release of non-target species. This fishery is being both monitored and enforced.
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Thanks Rod (and DFO) for the information.
When you have all the facts, suddenly it's not quite so easy to vilify DFO and the FN, is it Kingpin, Aaron and Rieber?
Or maybe, after you read those 12 points, you still disagree with the opening. In that case, then you are entitled to your newly-informed opinion.
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Point #8 is key. I would bet most or all sockeye harvested (if any) in this lower river fishery are Cultus stock. Lets hope the monitoring includes taking scale samples to determine stock origin.
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Do you drive to work in a horse drawn carriage? The law specifically assumes and allows improved technology for native fishing.
No I walk, because my ancestors were walking before the invention of the wheel. :P
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Thanks Rod.
Saves my 2 cents (or 1.7 American)
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I've chatted with a few of the guys who have taken part in the nettings in the past and they've said it's barely worth their time because the amount of fish they get is so low.
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Thanks Rod.
Saves my 2 cents (or 1.7 American)
Dream on... try 1.5 American cents! LOL
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$1.53 today actually...
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Why spend the hours as a stream keeper when you see this? Just my opinion, but, the Vedder should be a rod and reel only fishery. Many people, including sports fisherman, spend countless hours making sure the resources are inhananced for the sport. It seems anyone can just scoop what they want, when they want, without a thought. This just makes me sick to see across the whole local area. Please don't tell me it's a right.
They'll be 100 half chewed chums at the dam in Burnaby in September, don't forget to get these as well.
I mean no disrespect to anyone, but, the rules aren't fair.
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. It seems anyone can just scoop what they want, when they want, without a thought. This just makes me sick to see across the whole local area. Please don't tell me it's a right.
The statement above is very much based in a lack of knowledge & understanding.
It's a right and it's fair.
Can it continue forever? At the current rate of population growth, in about 100 years, 1st Nations could be at around 114 million the largest segment of the population - so they will have to decide
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Thanks Rod (and DFO) for the information.
When you have all the facts, suddenly it's not quite so easy to vilify DFO and the FN, is it Kingpin, Aaron and Rieber?
Or maybe, after you read those 12 points, you still disagree with the opening. In that case, then you are entitled to your newly-informed opinion.
Wow you are sure an arrogant sob..
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Why spend the hours as a stream keeper when you see this? Just my opinion, but, the Vedder should be a rod and reel only fishery. Many people, including sports fisherman, spend countless hours making sure the resources are inhananced for the sport. It seems anyone can just scoop what they want, when they want, without a thought. This just makes me sick to see across the whole local area. Please don't tell me it's a right.
They'll be 100 half chewed chums at the dam in Burnaby in September, don't forget to get these as well.
I mean no disrespect to anyone, but, the rules aren't fair.
If you're saying it should be rod and reel for natives too that doesn't make sense. Rod and reel is for recreational guys and they aren't recreationally fishing. If you're saying the river should be open to recreational guys, that's just a scary thought. Can you imagine what a zoo the Vedder would be if you could keep sockeye? There's no way there would be enough officers to manage that mess. And if they closed the river to recreational and native guys eventually the government isn't going to fund the run at all because there's no benefit to anyone.
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So the sockeye had a few good years towards recovery and they've made some allowances for native fishery - I have to then believe this is a good sign but trust and pray that the people responsible for this decision have not made a mistake.
As I say that, I still don't like the thought of netting on small rivers and to think that 500 sockeye were taken out of the system that day while the recreational angler has to stand by and watch this happen.
I know my thoughts are hypocritical as I've participated in Limited Entry Hunts many years back.
Like I said before, I hope a mistake was not made in the decision. I guess we'll find out in a few years time.
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I simply mean the Vedder is typically for sports fishing. It seems to me any run is less year after year. Your right on my knowledge, but, I know there's no need to net that river.
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I was trying to look at a little of both sides of the argument, as I believe it is important to look at all aspects :).
True, but that wasn't the tone of your first post, referring to it as a "complete joke", which is what I was alluding too.
Wow you are sure an arrogant sob..
Sorry for the late reply. It was too nice a night to not go out and catch some cutthroat. I fail to see how my post makes me both arrogant and possessing dubious parentage. However if you feel the need to throw out high school'ish personal insults then let's not derail the thread and please feel free to correspond with me at the email address in my profile and let me know how we don't see eye to eye. Cheers.
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My comment was referring to the fact that the harvest has been reduced to 40 fish from 1000 15 years ago , maybe some of the vedder socks can be flown in....
Hardly sad. First Nations have been sharing the bounty of nature for a long time. It wouldn't be the first time that one group brought food that they had an abundance of to another group in need. Remember, Alexander McKenzie was fed by the natives in what is now Prince George and in Bella Coola too.
I was in the Interpretive Center in Teslin and saw the pictures and a short video of the celebration of brotherhood this event made possible. Both groups of Tlingit had a blast paddling, dancing, singing and eating together. It was more a "family reunion" than an emergency airlift from what I saw and there were a lot of smiles on everyone in the pictures. Just don't let the Tahltan men and the Tlingit men get together because they get along as well as the Bella Coola and Bella Bella men. At least that was what the Tlingit woman in the Center told us.
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Dave, two clipped sockeye (Cultus stock ) observed at Chilliwack hatchery. So yes, they are fishing over migrating Cultus fish. Not a great decision on DFO 's part considering how much is being spent on recovery efforts.
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3 fish passed through the Sweltzer Creek counting fence yesterday.
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however did they make it past all those nets? ::)
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Allowing first nations to plunder the Fraser River chum and pink salmon for roe and opening the drift net fishery was a huge mistake. Now the same managers have opened the Vedder to set and drift nets.
Four years ago ( brood year ) they were only allowed to use seine and dip nets. Once again our resource is being managed politically with little regard to the associated problems this may cause between sport anglers and natives. We have enough problems on the Fraser, lets not bring them to the Vedder.
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however did they make it past all those nets? ::)
What kind of response is that? I guess everything is just hunky dory then might as well leave the nets up seems those cultus sockeye have special net evading magic powers give me a break.
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Wow! Opening this fishery at this time is mind boggling. As Buck stated, literally millions of taxpayer dollars, not to mention the thousands of man hours by some of North America’s best scientists have been spent on recovery efforts for Cultus sockeye. To have this opening is a personal affront to me, as I put in years working to protect this stock and, I’m sure, even more to the world class geneticists and physiologists as well.
Either DFO has given up on Cultus sockeye, (and many would argue it’s about time as it is now almost entirely comprised of hatchery fish), or, some low level manager made a very, very poor decision. I suspect the former as the people who were pushing for a SARA listing and pretty much forced the recovery efforts and subsequent money spent, local First Nations, are actively fishing on this stock.
Go for it, catch the last fish. Then put the app 200K now spent on this stock annually into the budget of DFO’s Habitat Restoration Unit, people who DO care.
Rant over.
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It's ok... Just blame it on the pikeminnows. ;)
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I know how it is once a guy retires from a long career with one employer - everything at the old job site goes down the crapper. However can the nation manager without you 2? ;D
This was and is expected to be a high return for the upper Chilliwack stocks per the preliminary outlook:
Chilliwack Lake/Dolly Varden Creek
: Brood year escapement in 2012 (78,700
EFS) was more than seven times the recent
time series average (10,800 EFS) from
2002-2014 across all cycles
when both sites were assessed, and is the largest
escapement on record for this stock.
So far only one issue has been identified and that's the Cultus Lake stocks - but it's very early in it's migration cycle though some do appear at this - what's the cumulative number so far 5? Some of the nose of the return plot have made it by the net.
The net was not in place that long & the take apparently not that large... so why all the hand wringing & hysteria? The V-C never belonged exclusively to the Sport community
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The fishery has been extended, open from August 7th 6:00pm to August 8th 6:00pm (24 hours). Two set nets with a maximum length of 100 feet fishing at the Highway 1 Bridge or the railway bridge downstream of that.
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The timing of this openning and the recreational opening in the Fraser is questionable. I guess the Vedder sox are the ransom for the Fraser rec openning. FNs are allowed to Net the Fraser and Vedder to mitigate the political risk of a large escale protest. I hope that I'm wrong...
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precedent has been 'set'.
why don't they seine?
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precedent has been 'set'.
why don't they seine?
When this fishery was first practiced in 2012, both seining and dip netting were unsuccessful. The proposed site for seining (canal) was too deep at the time and they gave up after one try. Dip netting upstream from the hatchery also had its challenges. I think the total catch from that opening was in the single digit.
Seining and gill netting have also been tried in the lake since but that has also not been successful. Once these fish enter the lake from the river, they go straight into the deep parts of the lake.
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Lets just hope there isn't an opening for coho if we have a larger than normal return.
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I know how it is once a guy retires from a long career with one employer - everything at the old job site goes down the crapper. However can the nation manager without you 2? ;D
This was and is expected to be a high return for the upper Chilliwack stocks per the preliminary outlook:
So far only one issue has been identified and that's the Cultus Lake stocks - but it's very early in it's migration cycle though some do appear at this - what's the cumulative number so far 5? Some of the nose of the return plot have made it by the net.
The net was not in place that long & the take apparently not that large... so why all the hand wringing & hysteria? The V-C never belonged exclusively to the Sport community
Ah Ralph, exactly the response I expected from you. The point is there should be no fishing on Cultus sockeye at all. A terminal fishery on Chilliwack Lake fish is what was originally proposed, not this.
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There should be no net fishing for any river period . Talk about non selective!
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There should be no net fishing for any river period . Talk about non selective!
Actually, terminal fisheries are the most selective practice because you're specifically targeting one stock. Fisheries that take place in the ocean, or in the mainstem Lower Fraser River, are not selective because you're intercepting multiple runs of fish at once. You can be targeting runs that are very sustainable, but you can also be catching fish from runs that are almost extinct. Catching fish closer to the spawning ground can also lead to better management because by this point you have a better idea how large the return is, so your margin of error is much smaller when taking fish out of there.
The problem with these two gill nets being used in the lower section of the Vedder Canal is that two stocks are being intercepted. One is the targeted Chilliwack Lake stock which will have 100,000+ fish returning this year, while some Cultus Lake fish, which are endangered, might be intercepted because they are already moving through the system.
The better alternative is to have the netting taking place further upstream above the hatchery up to the lake, where pretty much all of the fish are Chilliwack Lake stock. It is also taking place outside of the recreational fishing boundary so user conflicts are unlikely.
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.... The point is there should be no fishing on Cultus sockeye at all. A terminal fishery on Chilliwack Lake fish is what was originally proposed, not this.
Easy to say not always easy to do from a management perspective. Did you have much management experience in your DFO career Dave?
Point is the 'damage' to Cultus stock would appear to be as minimal as can managed - let's hope so.
Terminal fisheries are often low value fisheries as the salmon no longer have the nutritional or culinary value they do closer to tide water or in the ocean. In this case the terminal fishery has been difficult to execute from what I have read in your posts Rod
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from the pacific salmon comm, weekly report, and they are netting them.
Within the Early Summer-run aggregate, the Chilliwack and Nadina Group are both showing poor levels of return to date, tracking at levels well below the p50 forecast. There are currently no in-season signals of the potential for later than expected timing for the Early Summer-run that would be required to generate significant increases in its run-size.
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Easy to say not always easy to do from a management perspective. Did you have much management experience in your DFO career Dave?
Point is the 'damage' to Cultus stock would appear to be as minimal as can managed - let's hope so.
Terminal fisheries are often low value fisheries as the salmon no longer have the nutritional or culinary value they do closer to tide water or in the ocean. In this case the terminal fishery has been difficult to execute from what I have read in your posts Rod
they might be low value but I think its better to have some of little value then have none. if stocks continue to decline there is no fish for anyone. its me me me attitude. might all be catch and release like sturgeon in the future.
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In most cases I would say I imagine the "higher-ups" would have 1) more information and 2) a better idea of how to manage this stuff than you or I would. A good example is all of the bitching about how the Canucks are run - I think anyone of us taking over for Jim Benning would do a pretty terrible job, despite how much about hockey we think we know.
With how fisheries are managed in this province, I'm not so sure.
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In most cases I would say I imagine the "higher-ups" would have 1) more information and 2) a better idea of how to manage this stuff than you or I would. A good example is all of the bitching about how the Canucks are run - I think anyone of us taking over for Jim Benning would do a pretty terrible job, despite how much about hockey we think we know.
With how fisheries are managed in this province, I'm not so sure.
If Jim Benning does a horrible job, he loses his job and can get fired at any moment. To get Jim Benning's job, you have to know a lot about hockey and player development and all of that. Now, I don't know how the higher ups for DFO are chosen but it seems to me like they are likely appointed. Appointed positions could just as easily be a friend or someone owed a job for a political favor than being appointed for knowing what they are doing. Sadly, gov't doesn't work the same as the free market. Even for elected positions, unless there is a recall provision (and enough caring citizens to get that done), you have to wait for reelection.
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I don't know how the higher ups for DFO are chosen but it seems to me like they are likely appointed. Appointed positions could just as easily be a friend or someone owed a job for a political favor than being appointed for knowing what they are doing. Sadly, gov't doesn't work the same as the free market...
But who does the assessment of how bad or good a job they do? It isn't just sport fishers who think the V-C is exclusively theirs.
One thing to consider is that Public Employees, particularly as you move up the management ladder - have to carry out policy as directed by elected officials.
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But who does the assessment of how bad or good a job they do? It isn't just sport fishers who think the V-C is exclusively theirs.
One thing to consider is that Public Employees, particularly as you move up the management ladder - have to carry out policy as directed by elected officials.
Agreed, except, the problem is, those elected officials are not generally elected because of their ability to establish correct policy on the V-C, Fraser, salmon in general etc. They are way above that and elected for broader issues and you don't always know what you are going to get on these types of policies until it is too late. Especially after the special interests get involved.
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Easy to say not always easy to do from a management perspective. Did you have much management experience in your DFO career Dave?
Point is the 'damage' to Cultus stock would appear to be as minimal as can managed - let's hope so.
Terminal fisheries are often low value fisheries as the salmon no longer have the nutritional or culinary value they do closer to tide water or in the ocean. In this case the terminal fishery has been difficult to execute from what I have read in your posts Rod
No management experience per se but I understood the concept well enough to be entrusted with informing the public about these decisions regarding Cultus sockeye. I was also told I had an inordinate amount of common sense for a DFO employee, lol! Four years ago FN realized the difficulty in catching these fish by dip nets or in Chilliwack Lake; what they should have done is fish the lower river, by seine or gill net, about a month ago when Chilliwack Lake fish were abundant and Cultus fish as rare as hens teeth.
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...what they should have done is fish the lower river, by seine or gill net, about a month ago when Chilliwack Lake fish were abundant and Cultus fish as rare as hens teeth.
Makes me think DFO didn't either A) didn't want FN clashing with sporties chasing red springs soon after the river opened, B) was concerned the water would be too high still to allow capture this early in the year? C) has no concept of the Cultus and Chilliwack run timings and just bent to FN pressure for an opening, or D) has given up on the Cultus sockeye run.
None are very well thought out, I would say.
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If they natives weren't so lazy and actually worked at getting the fish instead of sitting back and trying to load gill nets. Fish those sockeye with a rod and reel we all know how readily they bite in the vedder. It's time to start steering away from gill nets to more truly selective methods. A fish wheel anchored down by the train bridge would work wonders.
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If they natives weren't so lazy and actually worked at getting the fish instead of sitting back and trying to load gill nets. Fish those sockeye with a rod and reel we all know how readily they bite in the vedder. It's time to start steering away from gill nets to more truly selective methods. A fish wheel anchored down by the train bridge would work wonders.
So are all commercial guys in the ocean and fraser lazy because they don't use rod and reel either? lol
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We are not talking about the ocean or the commercial gill nets we are talking about the selective fishery on the vedder.
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Go over on the native land by sweltzer creek there. I have seen the FN use rod and reel.... With a treble hook and lead weight. They were catching lots of sockeye and throwing them up in the bushes
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the solution to racist comments is to report them to the moderator.
Of then two major BC based web discussion boards (in term of number of posts) this one is by far the better. People here make an effort to control what they say and keep the discussion civil.
Please everyone continue to do so. Don't single out individuals or groups for insults or put downs.
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We are not talking about the ocean or the commercial gill nets we are talking about the selective fishery on the vedder.
You're missing the point. You're calling them lazy because they're not using a rod and reel but they aren't out there to catch fish recreationally like commercial guys. And as Lost Sockeye said when they do use rod and reel they toss a giant treble and snag away which isn't very selective. If they get anything beside the target species it's pretty much dead.
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I wasn't calling them lazy cause they don't want to fish with a rod and reel. I should have explained better I meant they are lazy in the fact they want the easiest method least amount of effort most amount of reward. They gave up on the beach seining in the vedder cause it didn't work. Instead of attemping other methods they want to use gill nets. Sorry I didn't explain myself better.
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If the purpose is harvest, then it only makes sense to produce the highest amount of protein with the lowest effort allowed by law.
Doing anything else is counter productive.
This is also why fishing for sockeye with rod and reel in the Fraser makes no sense whatsoever. It is a pure harvest and nets are more efficient than rod and reel.
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Granted that does make sense but when your fishing during the time of troubled stocks does it make sense?