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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: BigFisher on November 17, 2010, 05:11:17 PM
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Real pain in the my friend when your trying to fish. ;)
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Too cool ;D
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dude thats so asome i wish i could see that happin ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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you just made it a hell of allot easier for hunters in that area, most likely it will just walk up too them :-\
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those idiots should be charged for feeding wildlife, its not cool at all..
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that might be not a good idea but calling them "idiots" ... I don't know
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I agree with the last posters...unfortunately this deer will associate people with food which will innevidably end up endangering it's life. ::) maybe a photo from a distance, or if you want to do a favor for any curious animal, scare it off, it might save it's life.
I'd hate to that deer when it's legal to be shot.
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*be
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i do agree but like i daid it would be cool to be there but all of u make a good point on the asocation of people with food and how it will be like a 5 yrd shot if its going to be shot :P
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i do agree but like i daid it would be cool to be there but all of u make a good point on the asocation of people with food and how it will be like a 5 yrd shot if its going to be shot :P
not only that, if that deer starts interacting with people more (wich it will after that), it will rely on humans more for food , and will eventually die. wich doesnt really make it hunting, just "shooting" :-\
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"Idiots" is a bit of a strong word. But this is an internet forum where there is no such thing as too strong of a word. BTW I doubt this was the first human contact for the deer. The damage had already been done.
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We used to say in the Charlottes, all you need to hunt deer here is an apple and a hammer.
Apple opptional.
"Idiots" is a bit of a strong word. But this is an internet forum where there is no such thing as too strong of a word. BTW I doubt this was the first human contact for the deer. The damage had already been done.
Agreed, however a swift kick in the fawn's my friend would make it think twice next next time.
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Those are awesome pics!! Must of been quite the expierience
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too bad Mom didn't show up !
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One day, when someone doesn't have food to feed it, that docile deer may turn on someone... imagine the carnage ;D
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Thats awesome. I'v never seen that before!
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One day, when someone doesn't have food to feed it, that docile deer may turn on someone... imagine the carnage ;D
(http://www.zachriel.com/killerrabbits/Killer_rabbit.jpg)
White killer rabbit!! ;D. Just like in Monty Python
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Best thing you could have done is scare the deer back into the bush.
Worst thing you could have done is dressed it up and took it home.
This is somewhere in between :)
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it's one of those "once in a life time" opportunity to interact with a wild animal...i might have done the same thing, but unfortunately, they may have inadvertently passed a death sentence to that fawn...chances are their scent may have caused the mother to reject it or even abandon it...or like mentioned, made it lose it's chance to fear man.
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Everything aside those pictures are amazing!
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http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/viewing/responsibleviewing.html
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/00_96488_01
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The scent would not have made the mother abandon it, based on the size this deer and time of year it is on its own, but looks quite emaciated. Fantastic photos, however; it is against the law to entice or feed wildlife and punishable under the wildlife act. Based on the way this animal behaved in the photos, this deer is doomed to die young do to their actions and previous interactions with people. It is highly unlikely that this is the deers first interaction with people and probably won't be the last but this does not condone the actions that took place. Give your heads a shake!
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Darn Walt Disney! >:(
Again, we see avoidable ignorance in full (photo) display.
It shows that many young people keep heading out into the wilderness void of any common sense and blissfully unaware of the regulations.
One day it won't have a happy ending. There will be a cute wolf or bear cub approaching the angler...imagine the rest! ::)
That deer is as good as dead. In fact, I'd like the exact location so I can get a crack at it when it becomes legal to shoot it. It should be an easy shot.
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The scent would not have made the mother abandon it, based on the size this deer and time of year it is on its own, but looks quite emaciated.
actually, it's not emaciated...first indication is the thick baby fur that's slowly giving way to it's secondary layer (fur is always the first to deteriorate in starving animals)...second this fawn can't be more than 6 months old...they become more skiddish near the end of the weaning period...chances are, this fawn may have wandered too far from it's mother... or worse case scenario, it's mother was killed recently.
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first its hair not fur. Take a look at the chest of the deer and how much of the hip bones are showing, they should be full and not showing at all. I have worked hands on with deer and many other exotics since I was 10 and that is not a healthy looking animal. also fur is not always the first to deteriorate, it is with many diseases but rarely with emaciation. I have observed many many animals in which the fur/hair appears normal and in good condition and yet the animal is severely emaciated with hip bones, chest and ribs showing.Also to say it is no more than 6 months...this very well could be a stunted deer or smaller animal, I agree it is younger but to say its no more than 6 months ::). Deer fawns will start weaning at 6-8 weeks and are typically fully weaned at 12 weeks. A wild deer will always be skiddish no matter of how old, they will either hide or flee depending on the age. It is highly unlikely that this deer still has or is with its mother due to the behaviour. A mother deer will typically abandon a youngster that is habituated towards people.
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first its hair not fur.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-the-difference-be
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They are made up of the same thing much like finger nails and horns, but yet refer to something different. All mammals have hair but when referring to an animal they have hair or fur. The difference being the pattern of growth. There is secondary hair which refers to the hair that helps to regulate body temperature, and repels water, and primary hair which is typically coarser and longer than secondary hair which acts as a barrier for insects, twigs etc. Animals that are referred to as having fur have both primary and secondary hair whereas animals that have hair have only one of these types of hair. ex) polar bears have fur , humans have hair.
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Haha no way! where was mama.
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great pics,looks like the fawn has had some human contact,but to all them folks that are worried about its eventual demise just remember that nothing goes to waste in nature ,so lighten up folks its not the end of the world. >:(
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No offense but if everyone had that thought process there would be no animals left. If you see someboby molesting a thompson steelhead and dragging it up on the beach would you say the same thing?
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Its natural selection at its finest.
The Deer gets shot as it trys to get friendly with a hunter.
The Granola boys are wondering why they are getting so many headaches and now have full blown Lyme Disease.
Isnt Mother Nature wonderfull. ;D
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first its hair not fur. Take a look at the chest of the deer and how much of the hip bones are showing, they should be full and not showing at all. I have worked hands on with deer and many other exotics since I was 10 and that is not a healthy looking animal. also fur is not always the first to deteriorate, it is with many diseases but rarely with emaciation. I have observed many many animals in which the fur/hair appears normal and in good condition and yet the animal is severely emaciated with hip bones, chest and ribs showing.Also to say it is no more than 6 months...this very well could be a stunted deer or smaller animal, I agree it is younger but to say its no more than 6 months ::). Deer fawns will start weaning at 6-8 weeks and are typically fully weaned at 12 weeks. A wild deer will always be skiddish no matter of how old, they will either hide or flee depending on the age. It is highly unlikely that this deer still has or is with its mother due to the behaviour. A mother deer will typically abandon a youngster that is habituated towards people.
well if you want to get technical, hair and fur are the same thing, the difference is the way they grow out of the follicle....let's not forget most animals in the wild cannot be compared to their domesticated counter part or those who have been influenced by human intervention....as far as weening, i was referring to the reliance of the fawn to it's mother and not just the "nursing teats" point of view...i too have worked with animals in the past (both animal rescue and the spca)... any biologist or naturalist will tell you, many species of mammal will go through a leaning period due not only to availability of food but also mating season, and/or the rearing of young... of course, i'm not saying this is the case of this young deer, but what i am saying is this deer is showing signs that it hasn't yet lived long enough learn fear...and if it was abandoned for a longer period of time chances are it would be in worse shape and not as rambunctious as it appears in the photos....chances are too, it would have been taken down by predators due to it's inexperience...something that if it was fully weaned would have already learned to fear animals like man.
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If you had read my later post I already explained the difference between hair and fur. Who was compairing animals in the wild to domestic?I agree that animals will go through a learning period but from my observations of deer in the wild, young deer are still extremely cautious of human interactions and the characteristics of this deer are not one of a fully wild deer or of one with its mother. This deer has clearly had more than one interaction with people, and more than likely has learned to associate people with food which would be why it is so fond of people. Any biologist , naturalist will tell you that this is not just a curious deer this is one that is habituated towards people. Also to say it would be in worse shape, do you know how many people have fed the deer? how much forage is in the area? probably not so to say it would be in worse shape is a a wild guess at best. Also rambunctiousness is not a sign of a healthy animal, I have witnessed lots of animals that appear fine and healthy drop dead, not all show symptoms of there being anything wrong. Hell I have been thrown into a wall by an antelope that had a severe chest cavity infection, part of an animals instinct is to not show when its injured or sick. If its mother had died or it was abandoned then it would not have learned to fear people and it clearly has not.Also to say it would have been picked of by predators, seeing as it is fond of people it is most likely staying close to where people are, also where predators typically stay away from . This deer is by no means a "wild" deer or it would not have the behaviour it has. This deer very well could have been handraised and released for all we know.
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I agree that animals will go through a learning period but from my observations of deer in the wild, young deer are still extremely cautious of human interactions and the characteristics of this deer are not one of a fully wild deer or of one with its mother. This deer has clearly had more than one interaction with people, and more than likely has learned to associate people with food which would be why it is so fond of people. Any biologist , naturalist will tell you that this is not just a curious deer this is one that is habituated towards people.
"leaning" as in fasting...not "learning".
you can't assess the amount of times this deer has interacted with people based on one set of photos...for all you know, these guys may have been the first to come across it and gained its trust by offering it food.
Also to say it would be in worse shape, do you know how many people have fed the deer? how much forage is in the area? probably not so to say it would be in worse shape as a wild guess at best.
with that said...and a clear view of the quarter hind (in the first photo)...leaves me to believe that deer is not emaciated at that point in time.
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I'm sorry , I thought that was Chris G . disguised as a deer in those pics . ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D .
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Deer at this time of year should be at their biggest stage after fattening up for winter, late summer/fall is when deer are gorging themselves on the most nutritious foods of the year. The bulk of their size should not start to deplete yet especially with the extended summer warmth. If you look at photos #7,8, and 10 you will see what I am talking about , sunken in chest, protruding hip bones, look at the stomach and how it is sunken in , not full. That is typical of an emaciated animal. Based on the behaviour of this animal in the photos and my experience (working with and observing over 50 species, including over 20 species of antelope and gazelles including whitetail, blacktail, mule etc.) and many former coworkers experience, wild deer, will not be this forward with humans, as I stated they will hide or run away. This behaviour is typical and commen in a habituated deer.
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whitetaildeer-management-and-hunting.com
here's a photo of a fawn similar in age and stature as the fawn in question...difference is this fawn belongs to a deer farm in the States...if you were to rely on photos alone, you could claim emaciation on this animal also.
crap...sorry didn't copy and paste properly...will find photo again.
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where was THAT?
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it is against the law to entice or feed wildlife and punishable under the wildlife act.
The wildlife act prohibits feeding dangerous animals - bambi looks pretty harmless to me!
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where was THAT?
West Virginia...established in 1974 and renowned for producing trophy bucks...they also manage wild turkey and other wild game like boars and blackies.
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Next time you see the poor thing slip one of these on it.