Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: CAPTAIN BONK on November 25, 2006, 03:15:10 PM
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QUESTION !
DO U GUYS THINK THAT WITH ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER WORK AND DONATIONS DONE BY THE PUBLIC TOWARDS OUR RIVERS, THROWS OFF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AS THEY CUT BACK THE FUNDS ?
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IM SURE THEY GIVE THEM SELVES A GREAT CHRISTMAS BONUS >:(
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WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT...WHY DON'T YOU TRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF EXPECTING THE GOVERNMENT TO DO IT FOR YOU???
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Well this question is a bit of a loaded gun, here is my thoughts:
Governments are pretty much from my experience reactive as opposed to proactive. Meaning they wait for a problem, then react to it.
I've worked in 3 different levels of government, and the reality is that for the most part they deal with issues that have the spotlight. They try to be proactive and will put a good spin on things, but in reality they tend to deal with issues instead of preventing them.
Based on my experience, if an issue of the day (River systems, welfare, social housing, infrastructure, fiscal policy, you name it) is for the most part taking care of itself, the government will spend less time, energy and money dealing with it. So from this perspective the volunteer work, while great for our systems, this work will most likely delay government intervention (From my experiences, and in my opinion). The longer it is not a pressing issue, the longer the government does nothing. It's the age old saying, the squeaky wheel gets the grease right?
I'm not proposing people stop volunteering and giving to good causes (Whatever the issue or cause is), however if that volunteering, and or cash donations is done and then not followed up by any noise, it will undoubtedly delay government actions.
What will help bring governments back to the table is NOISE (Petitions, letters, media exposure, etc.....) Remember they REACT to crisis's and issues. If it's not in the spotlight, chances are it won't be brought to the table.
To sum up my thoughts, it looks like this:
Volunteer work/Donations with Noise = Govt Action
Volunteer work/Donations without noise = Govt Delays
Just my thoughts, agree or not there they are. What do you think?
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From my experience, I too agree that governments tend to be reactive rather than proactive.
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I have also worked for several levels of government and have a Master's degree in Urban Planning. Speaking for the way things are in the US, local government is often reactive because of politics. If you can get to an elected official, that person will put the heat on local departments to do the work in order to get re-elected. From my experience, state governments try to be pro active, but do not have funds to be so. For example, when you have 5 roads with fatalities and 5 roads with close calls, and only so much money, which road are you going to fix first? The one with the fatality. You'd like to fix everything, but you can't afford to.
One thing you all can do as volunteers is try to sum up the amount of money your volunteer work is worth. Then approach the governmental entity and try to use your money as some form of "match" for more actual money. Governments are often responsive to getting a bigger bang for the buck.
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WHY DON'T YOU TRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF EXPECTING THE GOVERNMENT TO DO IT FOR YOU???
^ SORRY IM NOT A MILLIONAIRE >:(
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dude, read my post again. I did not say that you need to come up with actual cash!!. What I did say was that your work was worth a certain amount of money in man hours. For example, if you have 100 people volunteering 5 hours of work each, that's 500 man-hours of work. Multiply 500 by how ever much a laborer would make, let's say it's worth $15.00 an hour. That means that 500 x 15 is $7,500 worth of work that the government doesn't have to pay for.
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"One thing you all can do as volunteers is try to sum up the amount of money your volunteer work is worth. Then approach the governmental entity and try to use your money as some form of "match" for more actual money. Governments are often responsive to getting a bigger bang for the buck. "
Exactly...Do something yourself....get off your butt and stop complaining..VOLUNTEER!!!!..
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IM THINKING BIKINI CAR WASH NEXT SUMMER, I HAVE A FEW HOT GIRLIES THAT WOULD VOLUNTEER ;D
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IM THINKING BIKINI CAR WASH NEXT SUMMER, I HAVE A FEW HOT GIRLIES THAT WOULD VOLUNTEER ;D
Be sure to invite the media, now that would generate some good 'noise'
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I HAVE FRIENDS IN THE MEDIA !
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I HAVE FRIENDS IN THE MEDIA !
Just don't yell all the time when they're around like you do here though... it'd be rather annoying.
:P
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I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT IM NOT MAKING NE PROMISES !
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what if I don't bring my car, can I just get a wash ;D ;D ;D
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I'll take a shot at this... may not be well liked as a response so be kind :)
I do not have faith in our government as I believe they could be doing a lot more for society in general - as far as our river systems .... I think if we all enjoy the sport of fishing... each of us should take up what we believe in and try to instill in good habits in others around us. I know that if I fish somewhere that there is a mess - I clean it up for the enjoyment of all. I think if we were all a bit more proactive with new fisherman/women we wouldn't have the disaster and horrible fishing ethics which I have personally seen in the lower mainland... We may not be able to influence the older generation, but the younger generation will learn by example and that is not government involved. It takes a bit of time and patience - maybe a clean up or two by each of us to make our river systems enjoyable for all. Government is too busy taking care of themselves and those with power and money - fish don't have that influence - they have all of us who truly enjoy the sport and will take that extra effort to sustain it for future "fisher" people. I know myself, that if it wasn't for the direction of some good people which I have met here and on the river systems that I have learnt the proper way and am learning about the water clarity, how it affects the fish, what spawning actually means - other than eggs and more fish to catch in the up coming years.
This may not have sense - or off topic - but I think this is all up to us and if we lose interest or think that others should do things about the problems, then we'll have nothing. I do not have a lot of money, but my time is valuable and if we all put that together - we'll be more productive than a government offical who doesn't give a darn.
That's it. Thanks for sharing.
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people who pollute and poach are only part of the problem. Speaking for the way things typically are in the US, people elect local representatives (either county commissioners or city council persons). These people make land use decisions and ultimately speak for the people on what the landscape will look like. Unless we have a very educated and active citizenry, these electeds often (in my opinion) make uninformed or selfish decisions which allow development to occur in places that are not suitable for development. Many times the developer gets off cheap and does not have to be responsible for the after effects of development. While candy wrappers, junk and poaching are bad things, massive mud slides from removal of vegetation, sewage spills, impervious surfaces increasing runoff velocity, lack of stream shading due to vegetation removal, fertilizer runoff, etc. are also a critical factor to the degradation of our natural environment.
If something is going to get done, we must all be involved and all demand responsible growth.