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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: BigFisher on September 08, 2006, 11:55:00 PM
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Springs, hatchery coho can be kept from the vedder during this time? Is it still one spring over 60 cm, 3 under, and 4 hatchery coho a day?
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This is also a good opportunity to review the regulations for the Chilliwack River.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/recfish/Freshwater/region2_e.htm
Daily quota
Chinook salmon = 4 per day, only 1 maybe over 62cm
Hatchery coho salmon = 4 per day
Chum salmon = 1 per day
Wild coho salmon must be released
Sockeye salmon must be released
You are only allowed a total of four salmon per day (eg. 2 coho and 2 chinook, or 3 coho and 1 chinook, or 4 chinook and 0 coho, etc)
A hatchery coho salmon does not have an adipose fin.
Please make sure you know the difference between a chinook jack and a wild coho salmon (both have adipose fin, but you can only keep a chinook jack).
Please make sure you know the difference between a coho and a sockeye salmon. Some sockeye salmon (Cultus Lake fish) are also missing an adipose fin, they must be released unlike the hatchery coho salmon.
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Isn't this where you come in with pics showing the difference between a Chinook jack and a wild Coho?
I think a gallery showing the difference would be very helpful to the newer fishermen headed out to the Vedder this fall.
Just a thought.
CJ.
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I know, I am searching for them right now actually. ;) They'll be available sometimes this weekend.
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Ok here they are, found a bunch of information from the archive.
What does a hatchery coho salmon look like? (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/051005-1.html)
http://Chilliwack River Adipose Clip Sockeye Alert (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/060704_2.html)
Chinook jacks (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/album34/050927_G)
Another chinook jack (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/album34/051004_2)
Wild coho (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/album34/051006_1) - This one was found dead on the bank last year
Hatchery coho (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/album34/050929_2)
Hatchery coho jack (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/album34/050922_3)
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Nice Rodney, thanks for all the info and pics!! ;) But guys, you wouldn't believe how many years it took him to compile that pciture data for us!!! ;D ;D ;D Good job Rodney on gettin it done!! ;D
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you have to tag jack springs on ur license as well right? im 16 new to the lincence tagging of springs. and my dad doesnt usually keep many springs.
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You do not have to tag jack springs. Only adult springs (62cm and above in the Chilliwack River) need to be tagged.
Nice Rodney, thanks for all the info and pics!! ;) But guys, you wouldn't believe how many years it took him to compile that pciture data for us!!! ;D ;D ;D
:P It was not easy... ;)
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You raise an interesting question cohokid. On my license, it says to document retained adult springs. I always understood that an adult chinook in the Vedder/Chilliwack system is over 62 cm (approx. 24 - 25 inches). But this quote is right from the DFO website:
It is illegal to "fail to record immediately, on your license, in ink, any chinook salmon retained."
So by "any" are we saying that chinook jacks must be recorded and included in the yearly quota of 10 springs per year? I've only retained two spring jacks and that was last year. Also, I've only retained three adult chinook in the last 8 years of flyfishing for salmon! Anyway, some clarity would be appreciated... :).
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I see that Rodney's just commented on the above. Is there anywhere on the DFO website that will confirm Rodney's interpretation? I tried looking for "adult chinook" under the glossary but I couldn't find it... ???.
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Hi, I am just wondering if fishing roe/wool under a float is the most common fishing method on vedder. I"ve never fished vedder, so I'd like to know what is the most effective way of fishing there.
By the way, is BB still allowed on Fraser river? As I was at Pegleg yesterday, and the majority of people there were still doing that. I myself was barfishing with a spin n glow with no luck :-[. For the people who've had success barfishing on Fraser, were you using spin the glow along with roe/wool/scent, or just the spin and glow itself was enough to entice a bite from the spring? Thanks ;)
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Hi, I am just wondering if fishing roe/wool under a float is the most common fishing method on vedder.
Yes
By the way, is BB still allowed on Fraser river?
Yes, but DFO has requested you fish selectively ie. use shorter leaders.
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Hi, I am just wondering if fishing roe/wool under a float is the most common fishing method on vedder. I"ve never fished vedder, so I'd like to know what is the most effective way of fishing there.
Hi naluwan, here are some readings that may help you with fishing on the Vedder River.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/2003/1003_01.html
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/2004/1104_01.html
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7906.0
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I see that Rodney's just commented on the above. Is there anywhere on the DFO website that will confirm Rodney's interpretation? I tried looking for "adult chinook" under the glossary but I couldn't find it... ???.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/recfish/Freshwater/region2_e.htm
Point number 5
There is an annual limit of 10 adult chinook. All retained adult chinook must be recorded on the back of your freshwater angling licence. An "adult chinook" in Region 2 is defined as being over 50 cm except in: a) the Fraser River between the CPR bridge at Mission to the powerline crossing approximately 1 km above the Aggasiz /Rosedale bridge from Sep 01 - Dec 31, b) the Chilliwack/Vedder River downstream of Slesse Creek including that portion of the Sumas River downstream from the Barrow Town Pump station to boundary signs near the confluence with the Fraser River from Jul 01 - Dec 31, and c) the Capilano River - year round, when adult chinook are defined as being over 62 cm.
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Is it worth a try at the vedder yet, where is the best place to start fishing this early?
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Still a bit early, there is the odd Jack spring in there. With the water being so low, I would try tossing some spoons below the Number 1 bridge. ;)
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Any deep hole in the chedder will produce a spring rite now.They are there.
Yes the odd one may have been able to make it through 4" of water on certain parts of the river. But they are not there in any type of numbers.
Brad, what would you know about the Vedder and what it is like so far this year, you are an Island guy now. ::) Stop trying to waste peoples gas money. When the fish are REALLY in they will know. ;)
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Hi,
I do not know if it would be better to start a new topic or not...
Now that my main source of information (Anglers West) concerning fishing in BC is closed (I am crying every night in my bed :'(), I do not know where to ask my silly questions, so I try with you guys.
I had some success fishing for stealhead last winter using gooey bob, jensen eggs, pink worms and colorado blades, trying one spot with a couple of these "baits" and then fishing another spot and I would like to know if it is the same kind of "baits" and "strategy" also work for salmon. I have mainly heard about wool and roe for salmon, but what about spin'n glow, gooey bobs and others?
thanks
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Frenchy, you could try things such as Gooey Bobs with some wool and some scent, but the mainstays for salmon are Roe, wool and blades(colorados). With honorable mentions going to tossing Spinners and Spoons. the thing is, you have to know when and where to use certain methods. The wool and roe pretty much work for all water, although I would not suggest using roe in really fast water. Blades work well in fast water and really well in tailouts. Spoons and spinners would work well in tail outs, and slow to dead water.( deep pools with lttle current) I have also seen some success with jensen eggs and wool for coho. Just keep flogging the water and try many differnt things. Usually, the fish will at some point hit something. You just have to figure out what that is. ;)
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Hi,
I do not know if it would be better to start a new topic or not...
Now that my main source of information (Anglers West) concerning fishing in BC is closed (I am crying every night in my bed :'(), I do not know where to ask my silly questions, so I try with you guys.
I had some success fishing for stealhead last winter using gooey bob, jensen eggs, pink worms and colorado blades, trying one spot with a couple of these "baits" and then fishing another spot and I would like to know if it is the same kind of "baits" and "strategy" also work for salmon. I have mainly heard about wool and roe for salmon, but what about spin'n glow, gooey bobs and others?
thanks
Frenchy you bring up a very intresting point with the spin`n glows, last year i was fishing the vedder and i was comming up to a run where a guy already had a fish on. He was using very small spin`n glows and he said it was his 6th fish of the day. I gave them a try but they would screw up the line on my centerpin and i couldent cast too far without all of the line just jumping out the spool.
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Hahahahahahaa
??? ??? ???.what are you trying to say?? :D :D :D ;) ;)
Big Steel ,Thanks for the information,so i better stay home,cause is no fish at the vedder yet,i dont want to waste my gas ;) ;)
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(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/clap.gif) alright fish are in the canal. cant wiat to fight the white springs and bring home some coho(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/poseur.gif)
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What ever happened to the days when the best fishing report a person could get was actually going out to the flow of choice and fishing it instead of depending on other peoples opinions on the internet,i know with the cost of gas etc the internet can be a very handy tool and passing on some helpfull info is all good but the more time you spend on the water the more knowledge you will gain about the best times and methods used to fish certain systems,When a river like the vedder is open there is allmost allways something in it to fish for regardless of the time of year so why not get out and enjoy it before the river gets to crowded,some of my most successfull outings on the vedder have been this time of year when most people are still sitting at home in front of their computers waiting for the word to get around that the fish are in,by this time i know several guys that will have caught more coho than most people do when it is at its peak,i guess my point is to get out there and fish it you just might be surprised by what you catch.cheers, SR17. :) :)
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I agree with searun of course. I have been with him on more then just a few occasions when the early fishing is just amazing. It can on some days be alot of work to get some fish but it sure is better then sitting at home waiting for a report.
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Thanks a lot bs
Sure, but you can do both... ::). Go on the river and ask some info on internet.
I will be on the river next monday, see you there