Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Sinaran on October 10, 2005, 08:38:25 PM
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after catching my first salmon last week, i'd decided to head to the vedder again today to test out my luck and newly learned skills again. arrived at around 7:30am, at KWB there were already a lot of fishermen. Saw a guy landing a huge 35lbs spring, he fought it for a good half an hour i guess. :) we walked a bit upstream to find a good hole, no luck on that. Two springs landed by the guys in a span of 10 mins, lots of double headers too. What was more interesting was that more chums were landed today than the spring. i couldn't seem to find anymore fresh pinks, lots of spawned out, dying and dead pinks around. a lot of them downstream was in very bad shape too. lost 2 jig heads today and two drennan. Had no idea how to tie up a roe, someone there intructed me how i could tighten it with the loop. Water clarity became worse around 4pm as the rain was falling hard. guys beside me landed 4 chums, 2 foul hooked and they bonked and kept them all!! too bad that the CO didn't come on time. As the COs were there, two guys were busted for using barbed hooks. left at around 5pm.. word of the day... SKUNKED!
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Vedder usualy has more chum then anything but good to hear more fish are comming in. Maybe the dfo werent lyign when they said all the salmon are late. ;D
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How bad was the river when you left. Do you think it'll blow with this rain?
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How bad was the river when you left. Do you think it'll blow with this rain?
by the time we left, the water visibility has worsen up, and if the rain keeps falling overnight like it has been all day long, i would very much believe it would blow by tomorrow. but i am not sure if u can afford losing the best coho fishing moment of the year, as the water level risen.
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" lost 2 jig heads today and two drennan"
2 drennans outch!!! that musta hurt!
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You lost the drennens cuz you dont use a heavy enough main line braided is the way to go!!! ;D
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i agre braided is good. i use fireline,but if you fish alot,plan on respooling 3 times a season. it has a wax coating and when it wares off the line starts to fray.
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Fire line, you mean piano wire, :P
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FIRE LINE..I take it you guys bottom bounce ???
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Floater, your a pro!!! I sure wish I could fish with you!!!
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Some people use braided line with 25 pnd leaders and just tank in huge springs! is that really fun? :P
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I use 20 pound braided i dont see how its different form using 20 pound mono. I like the braided cuz there is no stretch when you snag on other lines in the water. I also like it cuz its very thin it casts smoother i think it had nothing to do with BB but yah like i said before i do floss the sox. Does not mean i bring the ethics to the vedder. 8)
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enoughf of the flossing already >:( i like it because the diameter is smaller than mono,and allows you toget more line on the spool.
i use a 20# momo leader and if i snag or the big one breaks my line i dont lose everything :-*
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ps. no memary,like mono.
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Some people use braided line with 25 pnd leaders and just tank in huge springs! is that really fun? :P
to me its a pain when on the vedder,( or any sholder to sholder place) a guy has 10# leader and lets it run from one end to another :( while everyone stands and watches. and ya if catch a fish(or anyone) you should get it fast so you dont tire it out and it dies.
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Should use a strong enough line that you tire out the fish if you are planning to C&R, and need to be conciderate to others fishing around you.
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Should use a strong enough line that you tire out the fish if you are planning to C&R, and need to be conciderate to others fishing around you.
I would not consider using fire line being considerate to others. Everytime fire line runs over mono it cuts right through it.
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agree, but I was inplying not to use weak lines that you need to let the fish run for a long while before you can recover someline.
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Should use a strong enough line that you tire out the fish if you are planning to C&R, and need to be conciderate to others fishing around you.
I would not consider using fire line being considerate to others. Everytime fire line runs over mono it cuts right through it.
Biffchan how can you have the problem when fishing away from the crowds? ;D
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I don't, but for the sanity of everyone else around you this is what I reccomend.
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HA lol Biff!!!!!! You gonna take that floater!!!! ;D ;D
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Only beeks use braided or 30+ mono lines on the Vedder. Round 1 goes to biffchan. lol
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Only beeks use braided or 30+ mono lines on the Vedder. Round 1 goes to biffchan. lol
ouch!!!!! That had to hurt!!!! LMAO!!! ;D ;D
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no problem with using 20lb fireline. no memory and casts like silk. leader size depending on what your after. been using fireline for a few years now changing to new spool every year. never had a birds nest yet on my abu garcia levelwind. good stuff if used properly.
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I agree with trout slayer and biffchan...You should have fun playing the fish. Not just horse them in.
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ouch? you got me biff :'( :'(
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You guys need a reality check, a BIG reality check about fireline and all that crap...
1. Fireline is a needless and wasteful exercise. Mono works just fine, and as for you guys wanting to horse fish around and all that jazz, you guys totally repulse me.
2. If 25 lb test or 20 lb mono test isn't good enough for you, then you guys have a serious problem--you guys should try Marlin fishing or fishing for large mouth bass....
3. 25 lb and 20 lb test is more than sufficient to play hundreds of springs, in a conservatiion minded manner which does not place undue harm or stress on the fish or other anglers. Personally, I have coached, guided and instructed anglers using 10.5 foot Rods, maxing out on EXTRA LARGE springs 50 , 60 and 70 and perhaps even 80 plus pounds for times up to and exceeding an hour and they were successfully released in a healthy manner.
4. I find it morally repugnant and offensive that someone from a sportsfishing community state that fireline is a necessity and recommended for the Vedder. Honestly now, GET a REALITY CHECK.
Now I know exactly why I find fishing the Vedder to be a morally challenging experience to myself for someone that has taken great pains to tag released springs and coho, kept bleeders, released springs, and educated others as the the real way a sportsperson treats the resource.
Regardless of whether or not a hatchery is the source of those springs, I still find it remorseful that any individuals or the thousands of individuals that partake in unsporting and undignified behaviours in any fishery---particulary the Vedder. You gotta give your head a shake.
I have personally had tens of thousands of springs on my lines and my guests lines and never once did I EVER have a twit bring fireline out fishing with me in the Queen Charlottes. If that was the case ( I think it happended twice), I made sure I taught him a lesson why fireline is totally stupid---and I didn't have to say anything about it, the first supercharged 25 lb Spring that got on that had it's way with him, finished off his reel pretty quick :D ;D. By the way, if you think that horsing your fish around and muscling your fish around is conservation minded, you are totally mistaken.
These fish in the Vedder don't run relative to wild ocean going fish.., they seldom turn down river and run for 100's of yards, and all the rest of it-- so how anyone states that monofiament is not sufficient is totally off base.
If you guys that say that fireline is needed to "muscle" your fish around in a pool of other so called "anglers" or fishers, you need to check your angling skills and find yourself another name other than "angler" or "fisher" because you're by definition, horsing fish around is no longer angling or sportsfishing according to the conventional definitions of those words as generally accepted by "sporting" anglers on the coast.
Thus the intent of my post is not to belittle people that have different opinions than me, but rather to serve as potential reality check as to EXACTLY what you guys are saying.
For example, fireline for salmon angling is on par with drivnig a HUMVEE to the corner grocery store, driving a Ferrari through the McDonald's Drive Thru, or using a .357 Magnum to shoot a Mosquito...give me a break guys.
Shaking my head.....
Fishin Magician... >:(
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Very well said.
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You guys need a reality check, a BIG reality check about fireline and all that crap...
1. Fireline is a needless and wasteful exercise. Mono works just fine, and as for you guys wanting to horse fish around and all that jazz, you guys totally repulse me.
2. If 25 lb test or 20 lb mono test isn't good enough for you, then you guys have a serious problem--you guys should try Marlin fishing or fishing for large mouth bass....
3. 25 lb and 20 lb test is more than sufficient to play hundreds of springs, in a conservatiion minded manner which does not place undue harm or stress on the fish or other anglers. Personally, I have coached, guided and instructed anglers using 10.5 foot Rods, maxing out on EXTRA LARGE springs 50 , 60 and 70 and perhaps even 80 plus pounds for times up to and exceeding an hour and they were successfully released in a healthy manner.
4. I find it morally repugnant and offensive that someone from a sportsfishing community state that fireline is a necessity and recommended for the Vedder. Honestly now, GET a REALITY CHECK.
Now I know exactly why I find fishing the Vedder to be a morally challenging experience to myself for someone that has taken great pains to tag released springs and coho, kept bleeders, released springs, and educated others as the the real way a sportsperson treats the resource.
Regardless of whether or not a hatchery is the source of those springs, I still find it remorseful that any individuals or the thousands of individuals that partake in unsporting and undignified behaviours in any fishery---particulary the Vedder. You gotta give your head a shake.
I have personally had tens of thousands of springs on my lines and my guests lines and never once did I EVER have a twit bring fireline out fishing with me in the Queen Charlottes. If that was the case ( I think it happended twice), I made sure I taught him a lesson why fireline is totally stupid---and I didn't have to say anything about it, the first supercharged 25 lb Spring that got on that had it's way with him, finished off his reel pretty quick :D ;D. By the way, if you think that horsing your fish around and muscling your fish around is conservation minded, you are totally mistaken.
These fish in the Vedder don't run relative to wild ocean going fish.., they seldom turn down river and run for 100's of yards, and all the rest of it-- so how anyone states that monofiament is not sufficient is totally off base.
If you guys that say that fireline is needed to "muscle" your fish around in a pool of other so called "anglers" or fishers, you need to check your angling skills and find yourself another name other than "angler" or "fisher" because you're by definition, horsing fish around is no longer angling or sportsfishing according to the conventional definitions of those words as generally accepted by "sporting" anglers on the coast.
Thus the intent of my post is not to belittle people that have different opinions than me, but rather to serve as potential reality check as to EXACTLY what you guys are saying.
For example, fireline for salmon angling is on par with drivnig a HUMVEE to the corner grocery store, driving a Ferrari through the McDonald's Drive Thru, or using a .357 Magnum to shoot a Mosquito...give me a break guys.
Shaking my head.....
Fishin Magician... >:(
wow, hats off to you. no harm intended! you read my post, i like it and i like humvees. this doesn'n mean i have bad fishing edicate. spelling maybe :-\
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I will very loudly second what Fishin Magician has so eloquently stated!!!!!
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Wow fishign magician i said it once and ill say it again. The real fishermen are the ones who use any legal method they prefer and with any type of equipment at all. Not the ones that go around blabing and preaching how others should be fishing. Also if you beleive everythign you wrote just cuz a person uses braided line personaly i think thats moronic. Do you really aspect me to yank out 40 bucks worth of line out of my real now jsut cuz you say so. . . Dont get my wrong im all open to sugestions but when they all seem to be your perference and are not necessary i think ill stick with my ideas for now.
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Floater, why would you have to waste your other line? I personally just take my braided line off my reel and store it on an extra spool once the Fraser is done. There's no need to waste your line, a little common sense goes a long way.
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A good point i admit that. But i still yet to hear a good one on why i should take it off. If i ever cut someone lines on this forum or they see me snaging fish or any other thing they feel is unethic i PROMISE ill ago along with the crowd on this line thing.
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By the way fishing magician why not go to the grocery store with a hummve or mcdonalds drive through with a ferrari if you can? ;D
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Ya, Ferrari through drive through, big impression. Hard to get your order though ;D
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By the way the discussion about line strength started with loosing drennan floats, it's main line we're talking about (how not to loose expensive floats) not leaders. So be gentle.
A 30lb tuff line has only 12lb mono diameter. You can hold alot of line on a small spinner (light less fatigue if fishing and hiking all day long) and when fish breaks your leader or you have snag you'll only loose your leader not the 'expensive' part of setup.
But then I think some people just never encounter snags or fish breaking off their leader, or better yet they're rich and can afford to replace their float all the time. ;) ;) ;)
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Are you trying to say that too much line on your reel makes you tired?
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No too big of a reel makes you tired.
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He is saying...
More line requires bigger spool to hold it.
Bigger spool = Bigger reel
Bigger reel = Heavier reel
Heavier reel = Sore arm
Sore arm = Tired angler
There are two approaches to the same problem, one focuses on the solution, one focuses on the prevention. The solution of snagging up without losing gear is to increase your line strength. The prevention is to recognize the fact that heavier line is unnecessary for the target fish so avoid getting yourself into snagging on the bottom or body parts of a fish other than its mouth in the first place. The prevention allows you to downsize your gear, spend less money on line and terminal tackle.
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Ya, and my solution is tough main line. Same lb test braided would take less space than mono = smaller reel = less weight
And not loosing floats.
Leader 15 lb mono. No need to spook fish. and if fishing for trout 4lb leader.
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Bwi Bwi, next time you see me, we'll compare our drift rod and reel setup and see whose is heavier. ;)
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Yap we should.
And what you carry in tackle box. I need to lighten up that too.
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Oh come on guys too big of a reel are we men or what? :P
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Bwi Bwi, next time you see me, we'll compare our drift rod and reel setup and see whose is heavier. ;)
Your lucky i havent seen you rod i would stalk you wait for you to catch that coho mark down the spot and repeat. ;D
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How much does your reel weight? 15lb test 280yards(mono)? Mine is 1.8kg.
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Mine is 20 pound braided was 250 when i got it so about 230 yars now and its very lite. I even have a cx 4000ra with 8 pound 240 yards that i use on a very light rod for jiging and when pinks came in i would stand on the vedder all day jiging didnt have any fatigue problems. Just after my hand would feel it a bit but nothing that wasant worth the fishing.
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May be it's time for me to get new reels.
Seems like new material has been used to make reels thus becoming lighter.
Anyways my solution was using a small reel. mono lines 15lb test can hold 150yards. so a 30lb braided I can actually hold 250 yards.
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What reel are you using? the other reel i was talking about is a abu 6500c3.
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Mine's a Daiwa 1987 model.
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Ah that might be the problem lol.
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Last post at 2:47:29 AM, Floater buddy, you need a girlfriend
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I prefer 85 lb braided mainline with at least a 4' 40 lb leader.....it is so much easier that way..you can just put the rod over your shoulder and walk towards the treeline..and after you have dragged the fish onto the beach it makes it really easy to release the fish cause it is out of the water....if you boot the fish back in it is the best cause then you don't have to get your hands slimy
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I prefer 85 lb braided mainline with at least a 4' 40 lb leader.....it is so much easier that way..you can just put the rod over your shoulder and walk towards the treeline..and after you have dragged the fish onto the beach it makes it really easy to release the fish cause it is out of the water....if you boot the fish back in it is the best cause then you don't have to get your hands slimy
Nice. ;D ;D ;D
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Bwi Bwi, next time you see me, we'll compare our drift rod and reel setup and see whose is heavier. ;)
hey , rodney where do u fish id like to see your setup.
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Last post at 2:47:29 AM, Floater buddy, you need a girlfriend
what?????
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I prefer 85 lb braided mainline with at least a 4' 40 lb leader.....it is so much easier that way..you can just put the rod over your shoulder and walk towards the treeline..and after you have dragged the fish onto the beach it makes it really easy to release the fish cause it is out of the water....if you boot the fish back in it is the best cause then you don't have to get your hands slimy
lol lol ;D ;D
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ok, when you guys talk about small reels, I thought you meant small reels. ;D
250 yards of line is unnecessary in my opinion. :o When is the last time you've had a fish that made you run 250 yards along the river? ;)
My baitcaster holds 120 meters of 12lb test Maxima Ultragreen. I spool on about the same amount on my Islander Steelheader on top of a small amount of backing.
My baitcaster weighs 235g (Shimano Metanium XT). LukeYVR uses a Shimano Calcutta Conquest 250, which is about the same size. Another similar model around the same size would be ABU 5600C4.
If you are specifically targeting chinook salmon in the Vedder, then reels such as Shimano Calcutta/Corsair 400, ABU6500C4/3 would make more sense. If you are trying to catch coho, the above reels will not only do the job but also allow you to conserve a lot of energy.
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Last post at 2:47:29 AM, Floater buddy, you need a girlfriend
Yes and remember a GIRLFRIEND not a WIFE. or you'll be posting at 4:00 am too she'll make you work HARD. ;D ;D ;D
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Ya but Rodney the next size down for me is small reel it can only hold 100 yard of 5lb line.
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Time to ask the wifey for more allowance. ;D
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Are you kidding?!?! I'll be working 48 hours aday if ask for more allowance.. ;D ;D ;D
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Hence you buy your toys before you get hitched ;)
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How much does your reel weight? 15lb test 280yards(mono)? Mine is 1.8kg.
Awfully big reel ;D ;D
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is the vedder thick with chums yet?