Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: searun17 on September 15, 2005, 11:29:12 AM
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Just curious to see how people feel about the vedder white springs,do you enjoy fishing for them or are they more of a nuisance.Occasionally i will have some fun with them but for the most part i think i would rather see a few less in the system,i remember a number of years ago when a person consistently hooked into many more coho and to hook into a big white was less common than it is today, also i find with the springs doing so well on the vedder the fishing pressure has more than doubled in the last several years,coincidence , maybe.Just some food for thought,what do you think. :) :-[
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Coho are fun but spring are more fun for the sport of it for my its more of challange to land a huge fish than a smaller one.
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I like the brute strength of a spring...makes for a great battle on a centre pin but it often degrades into nuthing more than a tug of war.
In my opinion NOTHING beats the arrial abilities of a coho! Setting the hook and seeing that coho role underneigth...thats magic for me!
Ad on that the food value of a fall white spring is nothing compared to a coho and I will take a fiesty little bar of silver over a big old boot any day.
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the whites for sure. they put up a good scrap and really get the heart pumpin. but for eating coho all the way ;D
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MEAT MEAT MEAT MEAT are you sports fihermen or meatfishermen lol.
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there a lotta fun, but when your tergeting coho, they suck :P. i always get days when you see a bunch of coho sitting in pool and then u cast your line, and you end up hooking the only spring in that spot. then it snaps you off cause your using 10lb. test, so then you go back to tie. when you get back, the coho hav already moved up :P
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Gooey said it all!
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I love Springs, but you casn only fish coho in fall. Are the springs from the vedder smellier and grosser than the ones you get in the fraser during summer?
yes
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well searun and I have spent many a day out on the veddar and would have just rather not hooked a white. I personaaly think that it is much more difficult to land a coho than a big spring. For spring a person is usually using much bigger gear that can handle that size of fish fairly easily. Whereas for coho, searun and I allways use very light gear. 6-8 lb leaders and a much softer pole and lighter main line. 12lb main line for me. If you hook a decent sized coho on the light gear,you will be in for one heck of a fight. With the rolls and the arieals, to me that is a real test of skill to land a nice coho. I'll take the fast aggressive fight of a coho over the slow pulling tugawar of the spring anyday. All though the springs(reds) on the frasier, now that is a differnet story. They are awsome. Whites on the veddar, not so much. Yeah they are big but so what.
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My rank. 1.Red spring. They seem to have a little more spunk to them than the the big lazy whites and taste waaaay better. 2. Coho. I wish they were a little less finicky. Kinda like some women I know, but taste great! 3. White springer. One or two a day is ok, but it gets old real fast when they just put their head down and waste your day as the hos go by. Good on the smoker, but in last place when it comes to pure taste. If you like the fryer, they do make great fish and chips!
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Ionno big steal slow tug? usualy when i hook a white on the vedder first thing it does is zoom down stream to the fast water like a bat out of hell gotta run with it sometimes.
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it's the good type of pain, yet nerve racking at times. 8) gotta love it.
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Yes it is fun battling those big brutes but for me catching big coho on light gear is more challenging and for the most part when i go to the vedder it is coho i am targeting and the big springs are more of a negative than a positive thing.Personally i would rather hook into 5 or 6 nice coho in a day than hooking into spring after spring all day,it gets old very quick. :) ;D
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I'm with Gooey on this topic. White Springs are sometimes fun but they are sooo easy to hook. Coho are more of a challenge and I looove the rolls and thrashing under the surface plus the air time.
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Coho are nice if you are looking for meat . But I do think that the veddar/chilliwack is way too populated with white springs , I wish that we could have a nice coho run and catch more of them than springs . But the springs make sure you don't go home with out catching a fish , although I release all but one salmon a year .
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it is true, white springs are really easy to hook, but getting them in sometimes....is a different story.
also true... cohos are a challenge. it took me 9 outings and miles of walking to land my first one last year. it only weighed 4 lbs. ::)
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yeah the whiteys might be over populated but think on the bright side. atleast we have so decent fish in our river system. but i gotta admit theye are anoying when there a coho cashing ur bait and a spring cuts it off and hits it instead. but whiteys make damn good smoked salmon
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White chinook overpopulating the Vedder River?
:D :D :D :D
Please review the stats on this page (http://www-heb.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/facilities/chilliwack/fish_prod_e.htm). The number of adult white chinook returning to the hatchery is about 10% or lower of the number of adult coho salmon.
Fish the right waters, and you will not encounter any white chinook salmon. If you fish where the white chinook salmon are, you WILL catch white chinooks. :)
I think last year I managed to hook one white spring, two chums and the rest were all coho, coho jacks and spring jacks.
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wow. why such a low return rate considering numbers released? very surprising considering also they're the least targetted species (asides chum). ???
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Rod you are right when the springs are in the coho are caught in different types of water,But remember the coho are caught in different water mostly because they are pushed out by the springs,before the spring run was enhanced on the chilliwack the coho would be found in abundance in many of the same waters that the springs dominate today, it is not that there are more springs than coho its that the springs are the more dominant species in the river .tight lines.
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Very true searun. This just makes coho fishing more challenging, which I enjoy. :) The white chinook population certain is not impacting the coho population negatively. Each salmon species has its own specific niche in a river ecosystem. They will all have a place to occupy. :)
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Is a lot of fun when you hooked up a chromer spring using a center pin with light main line and leader.But i am happy just to be out at the river ;),Nice to meet you (fishfreak)
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not a big fan of those whites in the vedder good to have them on for the fight and the pictures but boy do they sure smell :P I've caught whites in the Fraser before and they also smell but not as bad.
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wow. why such a low return rate considering numbers released? very surprising considering also they're the least targetted species (asides chum). ???
If you looked a little closer you would realize that white chinooks are relased as fry, whereas the majority of coho are realsed as smolts. There are alot of big hungry cutthroat, NPN, or residents who love to eat fry.
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Rod
Return rates for Chilliwack whites are cosiderably higher than what is posted.. The numbers displayed are rack returns back to the hatchery. These fish do not like to return to the facility in great numbers , but prefer the heavy fast water betwwen the hatchery and Tamihi bridge.. Population estimates over the last few years have ranged between 40k to 80k. Coho numbers are more accurate as they return to the hatchery more readily. The whites were transplanted from the Harrison River in the mid eighties and as you all know have taken very well. These fish, as some of the other anglers have commented about push coho out of the prime holding water which makes catching them a little more challanging. Has anybody noticed that coho in the Chilliwack have become more difficult to catch over the last ten years? Wild fish seem to bite readily but the hatchery component are a little more difficult to take.
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(asides chum). ???
most guys i know don't target chums. poor assumption on my part? ???
i'm not big on them, but if you like to eat them, that's cool. 8)
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Yep Buck, I have noticed that. If a spring moves into a hole, the coho just get lockjawed. Plus the low water conditions of recent years really freaks them out. They just keep moving. Four years ago seems to be the last time we had decent water at the beginning of the season and they were really aggressive in the canal.
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bad for us, but good for their survival rate ::)
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bad for us, but good for their survival rate ::)
What does that matter, they only take so many for brood stock anyways.
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bad for us, but good for their survival rate ::)
What does that matter, they only take so many for brood stock anyways.
figure of speech....light joke, for the sake of conversation...you did notice the " ::) "
lighten up a bit.
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I guess i am not fishing the right waters then ( for coho that is )
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I guess if you are one to bake fish you would not like whiteys but i have them on the barbeque and there pretty good. I think its the fishes smell on the outside that leads people to think that they are grose. And theres nothing wrong with chum eather as long as its fresh.
in short. good fight ,good eating (smoked or bbq'd)