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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Steel_Mo_Head on November 29, 2010, 05:28:24 PM
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I'm sure most of you have seen or heard about the incident of myself "accidentally" Killing a chum for roe.
Anyways, I just want to clear up somethings as the way it was presented seemed like i was a poacher.
The only reason i want to post this is because i find this site very useful, as there are alotta great peopl on this forum. There are also the oposites.
I woke up early one morning check the regulations and headed out to the river. I "NEVER" keep chums unless im low on roe. I read regulations that the chum was not closed until i believe it was either sep19/oct19 Cant remember exactly now since its been awhile. I also confirmed with a gentleman on the river. He said that it wasn't closed. Maybe he was the wrong person to ask. Bottom line is that it was an Honest mistake. I went home after and re-read the regulation and i was reading it for the fraser river. a gentleman on this forum had me on FB. And saw i had pictures posted, i would not of posted the pics if i knew i was illegally killing a fish. He also asked me where it was from first. i Said the vedder ( also wouldn't of told him if i knew ). I panicked!!!! And after seeing it posted on here i deleted him. Anyways, you guys can choose whatever you decide to think of me. That's up to you. Those that do know me, I never do anything like this.
The day before i actually took down the dfo's number because i saw someone snagging the day before and took a video clip of him.... Then this suprisingly happens to myself. Been fishing the vedder for the last 4 years and now im on a centerpin, and gotten into fly fishing the last month. I have ethnics and will not fish with anyone that do things illegally.
Thanks again Rodney for this awsome forum. Once again i apologize for the Honest mistake, as fishing for me is a passion and a sport. I enjoy getting out to catch fish and release them. The point is to get out to do what you enjoy doing. People that know me personally on this site can vouch for me.
Tight lines.
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Hmmm......i guess you learned your lesson, but why would you only kill a chum ONLY for the roe ?
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I dunno that he meant is quite like that Jim. I wouldn't likely ever keep a male chum because I don't like chum meat quite enough to warrant killing a chum for meat alone. If its meat and roe, then I'll keep a chum, cure the roe and smoke the meat.
Mistakes happen, at least you bothered to check the regs before you headed out unlike the last one we crucified.
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Hmmm......i guess you learned your lesson, but why would you only kill a chum ONLY for the roe ?
Is there a rule that says you can't?
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Is there a rule that says you can't?
Piscatur non solum piscator ;)
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Sounds like an honest mistake however you were still in the wrong for not checking the correct posting. You're lucky that a buddy on face book caught you and not a CO.
A fish is only to be killed if it will not go to waste. However what is not going to waste? It could be used as garden fertilizer, that is a useful purpose however the way the rules are written it's so grey it's pathetic. It should be written in some way so that it says for human consumption. Just like a ton of other grey stuff in the regulations should be fixed to better our sport.
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everyone needs to chill and roll a joint, it's a HONEST MISTAKE chill out boys :-*
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--I'm not going to slam you for it and good reminder to the rest of us.
--But why can't the regs be searchable such that I just put in date and gps or river section name and have all current pertaining regs show up in bold that pertain.
--When in doubt I don't fish but I get frustrated trying to read the regs plus checking each day to see if in season changes but I guess that's just the nature of the beast.
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everyone needs to chill and roll a joint, it's a HONEST MISTAKE chill out boys :-*
ill just stick with a beer, but i agree.
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Atleast you manned up and took responsibility for it now. Better late then ever.
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don't feel bad. you did what you could. too me it clearly looks like it was a mistake, and you regret it enough. you also honestly indicate that you take care for it in the future.
tight lines and enjoy fishing.
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Good on you for admitting your mistake.
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mistake or not you would still recieve a fine by a CO, especially if it was me ;)
HOOK - is a hard my friend when it comes to some things
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of course, that is a understandable and a different case. a CO officer has to do her/his job regardless.
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Yes, you made a mistake.
But, you manned up and admitted it and took full responsibility for it.
So, all is good in my books.
A good lesson to you and to all of us that you can never be careful enough.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Azafai - I have seen many different CO's not hand out tickets for things just like this ::) they do however mark down your info so that they have a record of your being warned.
Im like everyone else in that its good of you to admit you were wrong however i would still slap you across the hand with a ruler for not being absolutely sure of the regs.
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Azafai - I have seen many different CO's not hand out tickets for things just like this ::) they do however mark down your info so that they have a record of your being warned.
IMO handing out warnings for minor honest mistakes is a far better way of building trust and relationships with fishermen. I think honest people will learn a lot more from a strong warning (and taking down your details); they will most likely not repeat the infringement and also tell their friends about it. Aggressively handing out tickets left right and centre damages relationships and just makes people more careful about not getting caught next time rather than not breaking the rules again.
The hard bit is judging what is honest and what is deliberate!
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As long as it's not one of those tendancy things that come with legions of "I'm sorry", then all is forgiven.
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I reallly appreciate everyones inputs and thoughts. Also appreciate the second chance before im labelled as a poacher. Obviously this will never happen again! Thank you to all who understands that sometimes these things do happen.
I've been dying to post all the Dolly's ans Rainbows i've been getting on the Fly. As it's my new technique of fishing i picked up and am lloving every bit of it!!
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mistake or not you would still recieve a fine by a CO, especially if it was me ;)
HOOK - is a hard *** when it comes to some things
Little man syndrome?
Its too bad there aren't more people like SMH. He made a mistake and is willing to own up to it. Seems like most of the time people are too arrogant to get off their high horses and admit they're wrong.
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ill just stick with a beer, but i agree.
me too!
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Little man syndrome?
So, let me get this straight... Are you saying that Hook suffers from "little man syndrome" when he would give a ticket to a guy that illegally kept a fish and then claims that he checked the regs but must have been referring to an old version.
Really, dude? You are truly serious? Little man syndrome?
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great job SMH good on ya' for having the balls to admitt your mistake by posting your apology for us to read.this will mean that i will be double checking my regs . 8)
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just curious but how many of you check for in season reg changes every time before you go out? I fish around 4 to 6 days a week and have yet to google in season changes, just mostly keep up with changes on the forums and the odd person on the river. Mind you when the an season change comes I've always been aware of it in one way or another. Not saying this is the right way to do it but it just seems really labor intensive to keep up with searching this info out on the internet.
and for the record I know Steel Mo and he's a stand up guy for sure
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I always check this for changes http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_options&lang=en&id=recreational , being that I have I full time job and only fish on weekends A quick look the night before and I am good to go.
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Making sure that anglers are aware of in-season changes is one of many concerns that resource managers have, especially if the change is immediate with a very short notice. To distribute the notice effectively, they are usually faxed to tackle stores and websites like this usually get notified by email right away so information can go up right away. Other ideas that have been toyed around with recently is to have radio stations broadcasting major changes.
On the web, in-season changes are usually available at two official places:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/#Inseason for general freshwater changes (steelhead, trout, etc openings, bait ban...)
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_options&lang=en&id=recreational (salmon related changes by DFO)
Usually, I make sure the notices are available in our news section http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/index.html and I try to provide an advance notice when possible changes are being discussed.
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So Rodney would you say the link I use is wrong or is it the right spot to be looking or should I be looking at the links you posted. Also I do fing it useful when you post changes because you seem to have the information right away
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Nothing wrong with that link, it's the same one that I posted just after you actually.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_options&lang=en&id=recreational (salmon related changes by DFO)
The other link that I provided rarely gets updated because general freshwater fishing regulations are not often changed.
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props to you Rod for keeping up with the notices, I am on the site everyday so this is usually where I get the heads up
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just curious but how many of you check for in season reg changes every time before you go out? I fish around 4 to 6 days a week and have yet to google in season changes, just mostly keep up with changes on the forums and the odd person on the river. Mind you when the an season change comes I've always been aware of it in one way or another. Not saying this is the right way to do it but it just seems really labor intensive to keep up with searching this info out on the internet.
and for the record I know Steel Mo and he's a stand up guy for sure
Thanks Bud, Still gotta hit the flow with you one of these days.
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just curious but how many of you check for in season reg changes every time before you go out? I fish around 4 to 6 days a week and have yet to google in season changes, just mostly keep up with changes on the forums and the odd person on the river. Mind you when the an season change comes I've always been aware of it in one way or another. Not saying this is the right way to do it but it just seems really labor intensive to keep up with searching this info out on the internet.
and for the record I know Steel Mo and he's a stand up guy for sure
--I use the RSS news feed feature set for in season reg changes in the areas I fish...always check when I go to areas I do not fish on a regular basis or areas that I know to expect changes. I find sometimes locals are surprised by the in season changes and still fish same day as they have for last 20 years instead of checking.
--For example Okanagan lk kokanee closed to fishing for over 10 years and still guys fishing and posting pictures of large out of season fish on line. . last few years have seen limited openings.
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RE: Really, dude? You are truly serious? Little man syndrome?
I fully agree with sterling. SMH maned up to his mistake, and I believe him.
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owning up to your mistake is all fine and dandy but why do i have "little man syndrome" for enforcing the RULES ? seriously guys give your heads a shake about the reality of things out there. How many guys do you see DAILY fishing illegally ? I have probably seen one or more almost everytime to the river this year, even some of the local lakes >:( Do i try to educate them anymore, No i dont because i have gotten tired of being ignored
im glad SMH owned up to his mistake however he only did after getting nailed on Facebook for it, he did say this in the first post. Just because you may know him or whatever you should try taking a neutral point of view. I would give my own family/friends crap for doing things like this.
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im glad SMH owned up to his mistake however he only did after getting nailed on Facebook for it,
So? Before Facebook he wasn't even aware of it.
You don't own up to a speeding violation unless you get nailed by a cop, do you? :D
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Good friend ratting you out to this forum, why not the DFO instead? I agree with the post above, how many people on here have stopped after work/fishing and had a couple beers then hopped in your car and drove or been late and speed to get there. But have no problem wagging your finger at someone else for whatever, we are all hypocrites I think your buddy blabbing on here is a complete joke so you made a mistake and you owned up to it and probably won't do it again but your wanna be DFO friend has a major character flaw which he will never shake. If you see something questionable call the DFO rat line but to try to blacklist a guy after the fact.....GOOF
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owning up to your mistake is all fine and dandy but why do i have "little man syndrome" for enforcing the RULES ? seriously guys give your heads a shake about the reality of things out there. How many guys do you see DAILY fishing illegally ? I have probably seen one or more almost everytime to the river this year, even some of the local lakes >:( Do i try to educate them anymore, No i dont because i have gotten tired of being ignored
im glad SMH owned up to his mistake however he only did after getting nailed on Facebook for it, he did say this in the first post. Just because you may know him or whatever you should try taking a neutral point of view. I would give my own family/friends crap for doing things like this.
Never met SMH nor have I have I had any sort of contact with him outside of this forum. Not too sure how my opinion isn't objective on this one? Maybe because its opposed to yours :-\
What I have a problem is when a guy comes back here after being publicly embarrassed to apologize only to have to deal with snarky comments such as yours.
Kicking a guy while he's vulnerable. Asserting (imaginary) authority over others for your own self satisfaction. Seems like little man syndrome to me.
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Sounds like a friggen soap opera...dude poached and now hes sorry...everyone makes mistakes,nobodys perfect.What are we talkin about here,one lousy Chum! Give me a break.Arrgh!
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1 chum, 1 wild coho, the odd cultus sockeye. when does it stop? The fishing etiquette, treatment of fish and outright disrespect on the vedder is horrendous and disgusting. Learning from mistakes is good and a person shouldn't be chastized for it but on the other hand, be aware of catchment and regs BEFORE you go.
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No worries man accidents happen
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Never met SMH nor have I have I had any sort of contact with him outside of this forum. Not too sure how my opinion isn't objective on this one? Maybe because its opposed to yours :-\
What I have a problem is when a guy comes back here after being publicly embarrassed to apologize only to have to deal with snarky comments such as yours.
Kicking a guy while he's vulnerable. Asserting (imaginary) authority over others for your own self satisfaction. Seems like little man syndrome to me.
IMHO, you're out of line Sterling. Hook's comment that he would not exercise discretion if he were law enforcement is neither snarky, a kicking motion, not anything else that you describe. But then again, we probably disagree on that.