Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Novabonker on February 16, 2022, 09:09:08 PM
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More enforcement, less desk jockeys please.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/boundary-bay-raid-nets-hundreds-of-illegal-crab-traps/ar-AATXUUP?ocid=hplocalnews
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Same headline every year. Same number of traps. Same area.
From 2021
https://www.richmond-news.com/local-news/richmond-hovercraft-fishery-officers-net-hundreds-of-illegal-traps-3354443
Jericho from last year
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=44055.msg417414#msg417414
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once a year to prove DFO exists.
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Should do this every week. Maybe then it would make a difference. :(
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Should do this every week. Maybe then it would make a difference. :(
Exactly. Put some teeth into legislation to curb this. We need far more enforcement and far less bloated bureaucracy. Department of Fisheries and Oceans in Regina? :o
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https://globalnews.ca/news/9444216/white-rock-bc-illegal-ghost-traps-fishing-seized/
2023...same thing, same place. Easy pickings for the poachers.
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Boy, tough crowd.
Sometimes you would think that DFO is the enemy, not the poachers.
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Boy, tough crowd.
Sometimes you would think that DFO is the enemy, not the poachers.
The most accurate statement I have read on this site.
Come to Canada and rape the land and waters.
Would be very interested in seeing a breakdown of who the poachers are. Age, Race, Income,
I would guess its not a guy that goes out in a 12' aluminum
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It seems DFO has been pretty active at catching and charging Crab poachers. Below are just a few that have made the news. Penalties have not been mild. Process is underway to seize one guys house. Names etc indicate the ethnic and age data is mixed.
https://www.bowenislandundercurrent.com/highlights/government-seeks-to-seize-home-of-man-guilty-of-illegal-crab-fishing-off-north-vancouver-4218780
https://www.straight.com/news/persistent-cross-border-bc-crab-poacher-has-to-pay-more-than-12000-in-penalties
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/vancouver-island-man-convicted-in-north-van-crab-poaching-case-3096372
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nanaimo-crab-poacher-lifetime-ban-1.6292864
https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/burnaby-illegal-crab-fishing-nets-two-men-6000-in-fines-4913939
https://www.castanet.net/news/Kamloops/288317/One-guilty-plea-so-far-in-high-profile-crab-poaching-case
https://www.coastreporter.net/local-news/tips-from-residents-lead-to-major-crab-poaching-bust-3401712
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The most accurate statement I have read on this site.
Come to Canada and rape the land and waters.
Would be very interested in seeing a breakdown of who the poachers are. Age, Race, Income,
I would guess its not a guy that goes out in a 12' aluminum
Don’t make my post out to be something that it’s not.
Poachers come in all shapes, sizes and boat types.
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Bump
Maybe some airtags on the crabs to see where they end up ::)
https://www.peacearchnews.com/local-news/hundreds-of-illegal-ghost-crab-traps-seized-near-white-rock-7312456
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one of the main reason DFO does it is because Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife puts huge pressure on them to. As most of the poachers come from Canada and cross and do most of the poaching on the us side of the boarder.
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one of the main reason DFO does it is because Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife puts huge pressure on them to. As most of the poachers come from Canada and cross and do most of the poaching on the us side of the boarder.
So WDFW pressures DFO to remove traps from Canadian waters because poachers in US waters come from Canada?
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So WDFW pressures DFO to remove traps from Canadian waters because poachers in US waters come from Canada?
They are Canadian poachers that poach on both sides of the border, so yes WDFW pressures DFO to do something about it
get it?
September 18, 2023
Surrey, B.C. - Recent investigations by fishery officers with Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) into the Boundary Bay commercial crab fleet have resulted in several convictions in Surrey Provincial Court. Four vessel masters received fines and forfeitures totalling over $287,000. One captain also received a first-ever fishing prohibition.
On August 4, 2023, Han Van Lam, master of the vessel John Lam, pleaded guilty to illegally fishing in United States (US) waters off Boundary Bay during the 2019 and 2020 commercial seasons. Under the Fisheries Act, it is illegal for anyone on a vessel subject to Canadian jurisdiction to fish outside of Canadian fisheries waters. Mr. Lam, who has previous violations, was fined $50,000, forfeited 96 traps that had been seized as evidence, and was prohibited from fishing for the first 14 days of the annual commercial season openings in 2024 and 2025. This is the first time that this prohibition has been imposed by the Courts.
On the same day, August 4, 2023, Michael Hau, master of the Muoi H, pleaded guilty to failing to scan his traps during the 2018, 2019 and 2020 crab fishing seasons, as per the conditions of his licence. He was fined $20,000 and forfeited a further $19,030.68 from the value of his catch.
On June 27, 2023, Hoan Trung Do, master of the Bounty Hunter, pleaded guilty to fishing in US waters and setting more traps than allowed under the conditions of his licence in 2018, 2019 and 2020. He was fined $160,000.
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The most accurate statement I have read on this site.
Come to Canada and rape the land and waters.
Would be very interested in seeing a breakdown of who the poachers are. Age, Race, Income,
I would guess its not a guy that goes out in a 12' aluminum
If insurance companies were responsible for paying DFO Shellfish fines, Vietnamese would pay the highest premiums
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Boy, tough crowd.
Sometimes you would think that DFO is the enemy, not the poachers.
the way DFO acts i thought they were the enemy....
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They are Canadian poachers that poach on both sides of the border, so yes WDFW pressures DFO to do something about it
get it?
No, I don’t get why WFDW would pressure DFO to remove ghost traps in Canadian waters to address poaching in US waters.
But if you get it, then that’s all that matters
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That’s okay just give me your give me your fishing rod it sounds like you don’t need it to fish
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That’s okay just give me your give me your fishing rod sounds like you don’t need it to fish
I saw your post before the edit. Yes, I am being serious and not a troll.
But now I'm confused...should I be using my fishing rod for crab. You really are a mystery, WMY :)
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Do you only fish in one spot and use a different fishing rod every time
Someone told me once that fish don’t recognize international boarders but maybe crab do
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Do you only fish in one spot and use a different fishing rod every time
Someone told me once that fish don’t recognize international boarders but maybe crab do
Well, that “someone” is a smart person!
I totally get that line of thinking, and that’s what I thought maybe you meant. Of course the US and Canada have shared interest in Boundary Bay crab fishing regulations compliance.
I just didn’t, and still don’t, get the relationship that you alluded to between ghost traps in Canadian waters and Canadian poachers in US waters and why WDFW would insist on one because of the other.
I may be thick in the head. I mean like 228% thick 😉
Cheers
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Well, that “someone” is a smart person!
I just didn’t, and still don’t, get the relationship that you alluded to between ghost traps in Canadian waters and Canadian poachers in US waters and why WDFW would insist on one because of the other.
Because they fish on both side of the boarder, if they only have 50 traps and they get seized when Fishing the Canadian side then they have none when they go to fish the American side. If Their gear is getting sized on both side then perhaps the opportunity cost becomes not worth it.
They are following the crabs around where the best fishing is or moving when they have fished out an area.
Ghost traps are not abandoned gear its gear that has no float that the traps are all tied together in a line and when the poachers go to retrieve it they drag a hook.
If you have no gear you can’t fish
The US pressures Canada to take enforcement action some of that is sizing gear so it can’t be used to fish on their side.
I tried to use the fishing rod analogy to imply you can’t fish if you don’t have a rod but it appears I failed
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Thanks, that clears it up for me.
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Someone told me once that fish don’t recognize international boarders but maybe crab do
Maybe you can get Trump to build a wall.
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This past weekend we were having very good friends over for a dinner party. My wife wanted serve crab cakes as an appetizer. She asked at the local F.I.S.H. store about crab meat. They don't carry it anymore as the cost is $90 a pound. I think that alone tells you why organized crime is involved in the illegal crab fishery.
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$90/lb holy guacamole ! In the early eighties my dad owned a small commercial crab boat based out of Ladner and I can’t recall the price per pound he got for the crab but I do recall the first summer I was a deckhand on his boat I got $100/day. That was 1980.