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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Steel_Mo_Head on January 29, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
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SO i drove off the highway into my exit to the vedder river drunk again!... lol.. no i'm just kidding.. My brother and I head down mid river around 9 am. Fishing in the few spots and just working our way down river.. NOTHING all morning.. except me cracking up watching my brother bail on ice! lol... anyways.. we head down river around 11 where i was lucky last time around. There was someone fishing where i hooked on a fish so i wait patiently until he leaves which was like 10 mins later!! I think to my self, sweeeett!! I talked to a couple of guys and they said nothing all day. Was better yesterday. I didn't let that discourage me...I head down to my spot. check my leader to make sure it's ok. First cast out... nothing.. second one.. float sinks.. and Set... couple of head shakes.. and snap!!!! and a nice chromie jumps outta the water..! Now im feeling the andrenaline.. I hurry and tie up a new set up.. i waved my brother down to my spot.. I get her tied up and ready to try again. First cast... nothing.. second cast.. nothing happens... third cast.... BAM!!!! Hook on a nice beauty on.. head shakes galore! he takes off to the middle of the river.. comes back..close to shore...all suddent a nice doh jumps up right infront of me...hard head shakes.. all of a sudden hook comes off.. by now im shakin my frickin head!!!! DAMMIT! i go down river just a few feet closer to the rapids... 4 casts later... SINKS!!! and instantly takes off in the middle of the river.. didn't last too log.. again head shakes.. and hook comes off.. by now.. I"m thinking.. what the hell am I doing wrong.. who hooks 3 fish with in 30 mins and loses all of them... but i guess everyone has those days... Incidentlly, the same angler that offered me help the last time i landed a wild.. was standing beside me.. he had been there all morning..and just couldn't believe what he was seeing.. meanwhile.. no one else was hooking where i was.. and hour later.. still nothing.. i'm starting to think that they all got spooked!.. all of a sudden.. my float SINKS again.. and i hammer her home.. and she takes off to the middle of the river... then down stream to the current..I'm chasing her down river ans a couple anglers up top chase along with me and my brother....I lose him again... HORRIBLE!!!! I'm thinking to myself.. what a frickin rediculous day!!!! BUT, i still had lots of fun! Great action.. My Older brother and a friend of mine looks at me and just can't believe it.. I didn't see any one else hit one..!I stop at freds to get a couple extra hooks and floats...And told him about my day.. he said someone else came in and had lost four as well.. felt relieved that i wasn't the only one that sucked! lol..I know it's unbelieveable! But it's true... My friend said if he didn't come a long today.. and i called him up and told him that.. he would think i was full of ****.. lol.. I'd think i was full of **** too.. Makes up for the 6 adays with no action definately!! Trying to get outta work tomorrow to head out again in the morning.. I'll update you guys then...
Please pointers if you've got any!!
cheers
Franky,
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SMH get your my friend over to a store and buy those 6/49 tickets, Now!!! I am so glad you had an experience like that because days like that are what we all dream about and why we all keep going out. It was my very first trip out myself this year and fished just around the Lickman Rd. area and although my float decided not to swim to deep I saw three other fish caught. I fished alongside a good guy who remarked that early yesterday morning 6 steelies were landed at this exact same spot. We both arrived at the same time, around 11 AM and we both left at 2:30. Great day to be out. Not cold at all, just a couple tiny sprinkles of rain and visibility is fairly good, about 1and a half to 2 feet. Its always amazing how much fun you can have even when you don't catch anything if you're surrounded by good guys. The bait I used was roe sacks, and shrimp. There are lot's of steelies in there right now so if you have an opening I'd suggest taking it cause it's happening now. Good Fishing All.
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Please pointers if you've got any!!
cheers
Franky,
No pointers necessary. You seem to know what you're doing. Keep at her and they will come.
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bro!!! that is sick!!! i am prayin, literally prayin for a day like that. I wanted to get out there today but could not get out, planning on tomorrow morning, sounds like lots of fish are being caught. congrats and make sure you are using premium hooks like gamakatsu's or owner's, check your hook every now and again and be sure that it is "sticky" sharp, if not switch it out.
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bro!!! that is sick!!! i am prayin, literally prayin for a day like that. I wanted to get out there today but could not get out, planning on tomorrow morning, sounds like lots of fish are being caught. congrats and make sure you are using premium hooks like gamakatsu's or owner's, check your hook every now and again and be sure that it is "sticky" sharp, if not switch it out.
those are the ones that i'm using.. lol.. i got outta work untill 330 so my shift is only 2.5 hours ahha.. so i'll be out there.. in the am before i go to work.. so maybe i'll see some of you guys out there!!
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No. 2 or No.4 Owner Needle pt are your best bet for top quality hooks. I find them just that much better then Gammys
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a mistake many are guilty of including myself when I first got into steelhead fishing is that you fight them to carefully. I lost a ton of my first steelhead that I hooked. Now I land nearly all of them.
Fish good hooks. I like gammies. I never fish smaller than a #2 and more often that not fish #1-2/0 depending on what Im fishing.
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good job! I got a 12lb hatchery today 2nd of the year ;D I was using a #1 gammy with roe sac make sure you set that hook good right away. Good luck!
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What an amazing day!! How the heck were you getting all the bites and the others weren't? U using roe sacks? That's more action than I've had in a month!
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u cant really set the hook to hard when ur float fishing, think about it, u have to straighten out the leader, and mainline to the float, and pull it tight to the rod tip, ur rod is super flexible so u want as much power as possible, and u have line stretch cus of the mono, so basically just giver!
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very well put , just giver and hope for the best, better to set harder then lighter.
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who hooks 3 fish with in 30 mins and loses all of them...
Chris Gadsden does. (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=19693.msg187319#msg187319) ;D
"Should have been here" were the first four words that started each phone call from Chris in the last several mornings.
Although taunting, reports of fish catches are music to an angler's ears. It loosened the tension while slaving away by the computer desk, but it motivated me enough to bring out the drift rod and tie some roe bags for the first 2009 trip to the Chilliwack River.
5:00am the alarm sounded off. It was so tempting to tuck under the blanket and forget about the one hour plus drive, but visualization of a chrome bullet in my hands won the tug o' war. There were still over two hours until daylight, but Chris said we needed to be at the run first. Someone obviously has the steelhead bug.
I pulled up to the parking area at 7:00am, the blue Leaf Mobil was already there and the occupant was no where to be found. I quickly dressed up and trekked out to the river. It has been three months since I last visited the Vedder, which has of course changed. I wondered if I could find Chris in the dark without tripping over newly formed side channels. It took a slight detour but I managed to reach the destination. We stood and chatted in the cold for ten minutes before the game began.
Chris directed me to the "Hot Spot". "Cast into that slot, that's where they were biting yesterday."
Sure, free guiding is always welcome. Knowing where they were biting is an advantage, but I had to remind myself that steelhead are always on the move. They maybe here one day and gone on the next.
It only took about a dozen casts before the float went for its first burial. It was definitely not a snag, as the float depth was set very short and past drifts went through freely. I set the hook and the entire rig with a ripped sac at the end flew over my head. It was a disappointment, but perhaps it was a sign of a great day to come. I shook as the anticipation and cold hands took over the body.
A great day, or morning, it was not. The first float burial turned out to be the only one for a few hours. Chris and I fished up and down with no success. The icy rain did not make it that much more enjoyable. By 10:30am, the steelhead bug was starting to wear off. The brain started turning with ideas.
"Have I missed the bites by a day as usual? Kind of hungry... Hmm, deluxe classic burger, farmer sausage, sunny side up... Cookies Grill...", I thought. I suggested the idea to Chris, he agreed too.
Meanwhile, I looked upstream and a familiar figure was making his way down to us. It turned out to be Marco, who apparently just arrived on the river! He casually walked and casted, as if he couldn't care less if he would not catch a fish. We chatted briefly, suggested Cookies Grill to him. "I just got here! I need to fish!", he said.
We decided to do a few more casts with him and worked the slots where I initially had a hit. While chatting away, I watched Marco's float took a sudden dive but there was a short delay at the other end of the rod. The hook came up empty.
It seemed like a change of presentation did the trick again. Marco had a box of freshly pumped ghost shrimp, which can be so deadly for steelhead.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-01.jpg)
Its effectiveness was confirmed a few casts later, when the float took another dive in the faster slot. This time, the fish stood no chance. Marco set the hook precisely and the soft rod bent to the cork immediately. Seeing the kicks on the rod rejuvenated our spirit. Sometimes it is just good to see someone has a fish on when you cannot find one yourself.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-02.jpg)
The chrome doe took several sporatic runs before surrendering herself in the shallow water. The absence of the adipose fin confirmed that it was a hatchery fish, which Marco wanted to keep. What happened after that is probably the misplay of 2009, and January is not even over yet.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-03.jpg)
The fish flipped gently in the shallow water by the beach. Marco was ready to bring her up to dry land and I was ready to say, "Looks like someone is coming to breakfast...". Suddenly the hook popped out! Marco panicked and began kicking the water like a peewee soccer player, attempting to keep it in the shallow water.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-04.jpg)
The fish bounced once against the nearby rocks and back in the shallow water, made a short burst toward Chris, who began kicking the water like a peewee soccer player too! Why both of them did not bend down and use their arms still baffles me to this minute. The whole fiasco took 15 seconds and the steelhead managed to find a light in the tunnel. She used one more burst of her energy and shot herself back into the run. The three of us stood motionlessly and were speechless. Did that just happen? Laughter then bursted out from all corners, but the fish obviously had the last laugh.
Yep, now it was time for breakfast.
The fries, coffee, burger and sausages sure hit the spot. Sometimes a short break is needed, otherwise it is too mentally tiring.
We returned to the hot spot at 1:00pm. Perhaps things would heat up in the afternoon. Instead of roe sacs, I decided to switch up to a Jensen egg and wool combo. I used a combo that has produced fish for me in the past - orange egg and chartreus wool.
Marco flogged the same slot with more fresh ghost shrimps with no takers. Chris went through it with his big roe sacs. I wedged in between them, threw the combo out. After a couple of drifts, the float did a short dip. It did not completely sink and popped back up before I even reacted. I looked upstream at Chris, who was retying. I looked downstream at Marco, who was focusing on his float. What was that? A fish perhaps? Or a snag that we had hooked up before. I whipped the combo out once again to just above the same spot. It only took a second to drift down and the float was once again pulled down. This time it was a decisive pull. I yanked the rod back as hard as possible, thinking that it was most likely a snag. A silver flash appeared under the float. I looked in disbelief but was absolutely excited at the same time. "Fish on!" and my neighbouring anglers brought in their rigs and watched the show. It was not a very big fish, which rolled and rolled without doing a single leap. I carefully slid the fish into the same shallow spot where people had been playing soccer earlier. Marco reached down and did a fine job tailing the fish. It was another hatchery fish, so I decided to keep it to end my day of searching. I let out a sigh of relief. This was in fact the first steelhead that I have ever kept, as all my previous fish were wild.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-05.jpg)
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-06.jpg)
I watched the gang fishing some more, but no more fish were interested in the offerings. Meanwhile Dion made his way down to our run. We exchanged information and it seemed to be a slow day overall. I was one of the few lucky ones who managed to tangle with metal head. The trip ended at 3:00pm, the cut-off time for hatchery to pick up broodstocks. For me, this was an excellent start for the 2009 steelhead season. Hopefully more trips will resemble this one in the next several months.
Good luck to all who are heading out this weekend. It should be a fantastic one.
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I told you that you should have brought your video camera as you could have been more famous than Dragon Speed with his fog shot we saw on Global last week. The footage of the lost fish would have made you some money on Amercia's Funniest Video's. ;D
I could not believe that I could not even get a bite today but the fellowship was great, the food was good at Cookies Grill and last but not least the Leafs won tonight. ;D ;D
That is a good omen for tomorrow as the Maple Leaf Drennan will be going down a few times as today's pro's will still be sleeping while I am landing a couple. ;D ;D ;D
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it may have been funny, but dragging it like that onto rocks isn't the best for the fish, aswell as kicking it. Not to say u dont know waht ur doing, obviously the heat of the moment, but not the best choice.
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it may have been funny, but dragging it like that onto rocks isn't the best for the fish, aswell as kicking it. Not to say u dont know waht ur doing, obviously the heat of the moment, but not the best choice.
lets not get all high and mighty, he was going to retain it but lost it from my understanding... and coming from you the kid who has a pic with a wild fish this year no where near water and admitting to surfing it
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SO i drove off the highway into my exit to the vedder river drunk again!... lol.. no i'm just kidding.. My brother and I head down mid river around 9 am. Fishing in the few spots and just working our way down river.. NOTHING all morning.. except me cracking up watching my brother bail on ice! lol... anyways.. we head down river around 11 where i was lucky last time around. There was someone fishing where i hooked on a fish so i wait patiently until he leaves which was like 10 mins later!! I think to my self, sweeeett!! I talked to a couple of guys and they said nothing all day. Was better yesterday. I didn't let that discourage me...I head down to my spot. check my leader to make sure it's ok. First cast out... nothing.. second one.. float sinks.. and Set... couple of head shakes.. and snap!!!! and a nice chromie jumps outta the water..! Now im feeling the andrenaline.. I hurry and tie up a new set up.. i waved my brother down to my spot.. I get her tied up and ready to try again. First cast... nothing.. second cast.. nothing happens... third cast.... BAM!!!! Hook on a nice beauty on.. head shakes galore! he takes off to the middle of the river.. comes back..close to shore...all suddent a nice doh jumps up right infront of me...hard head shakes.. all of a sudden hook comes off.. by now im shakin my frickin head!!!! DAMMIT! i go down river just a few feet closer to the rapids... 4 casts later... SINKS!!! and instantly takes off in the middle of the river.. didn't last too log.. again head shakes.. and hook comes off.. by now.. I"m thinking.. what the hell am I doing wrong.. who hooks 3 fish with in 30 mins and loses all of them... but i guess everyone has those days... Incidentlly, the same angler that offered me help the last time i landed a wild.. was standing beside me.. he had been there all morning..and just couldn't believe what he was seeing.. meanwhile.. no one else was hooking where i was.. and hour later.. still nothing.. i'm starting to think that they all got spooked!.. all of a sudden.. my float SINKS again.. and i hammer her home.. and she takes off to the middle of the river... then down stream to the current..I'm chasing her down river ans a couple anglers up top chase along with me and my brother....I lose him again... HORRIBLE!!!! I'm thinking to myself.. what a frickin rediculous day!!!! BUT, i still had lots of fun! Great action.. My Older brother and a friend of mine looks at me and just can't believe it.. I didn't see any one else hit one..!I stop at freds to get a couple extra hooks and floats...And told him about my day.. he said someone else came in and had lost four as well.. felt relieved that i wasn't the only one that sucked! lol..I know it's unbelieveable! But it's true... My friend said if he didn't come a long today.. and i called him up and told him that.. he would think i was full of ****.. lol.. I'd think i was full of **** too.. Makes up for the 6 adays with no action definately!! Trying to get outta work tomorrow to head out again in the morning.. I'll update you guys then...
Please pointers if you've got any!!
cheers
Franky,
ok pointers your asking for... well i watched you hook the one to my and 2 other locals amazement
suggestion number one, shorten up, your float was going under every cast.
suggestion 2, in tandem with shortening your float, shorten your leader, it will help reduce floss/snagged fish and help detect the bite easier.
and suggestion 3, get a baitcaster with a smoother drag than that spincaster.
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Suddenly the hook popped out! Marco panicked and began kicking the water like a peewee soccer player, attempting to keep it in the shallow water.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/090129-04.jpg)
The fish bounced once against the nearby rocks and back in the shallow water, made a short burst toward Chris, who began kicking the water like a peewee soccer player too! Why both of them did not bend down and use their arms still baffles me to this minute. The whole fiasco took 15 seconds and the steelhead managed to find a light in the tunnel. She used one more burst of her energy and shot herself back into the run. The three of us stood motionlessly and were speechless. Did that just happen? Laughter then bursted out from all corners, but the fish obviously had the last laugh.
- That's not exactly stellar fishhandling is it? Perhaps a little abusive.
- Why would someone try and kick a fish to shore that became un-hooked? I don't like that very much. Just look at the picture - awful.
- Laughing about it. Probably should have suggested that they stop and consider what they were doing.
Well documented. Wow - I'm pretty surprised and dissapointed.
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Nice report rod. You sure make that look like a decent sized steely! Awsome action shot to
it may have been funny, but dragging it like that onto rocks isn't the best for the fish, aswell as kicking it. Not to say u dont know waht ur doing, obviously the heat of the moment, but not the best choice.
I have read alot of your posts and in general they are all garbage but this ones actually funny. They already said they were going to bonk it. Dont people realize it was a hatch job they were trying to keep. Alot different from kicking or dragging a wild fish back to shore so they can get a picture. I would have lauged watching that as i have done it as well.
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Nice fish Rodney. How does a skinny guy like you can eat a burger, sausages, fries and coffee without putting on any weight ? ;D
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You sure make that look like a decent sized steely!
Of course. ;) One needs to pull out all the tricks to boast a catch when they don't come so often. ;D I am on a strict diet to keep myself lean. At 118lb, I can make a tyee look like a marlin between my arms. Regular bicep workout also allows me to extend my arms fully for lengthy photoshoots. It also helps to instruct the photographer at what spot and angle he should stand like I did today. ;D
Rodney. How does a skinny guy like you can eat a burger, sausages, fries and coffee without putting on any weight ? ;D
That almost sounds like the opening line of a Jenny Craig commercial. :P ;)
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Reiber are you kidding me ::)
You are telling me you have never panicked when you have had a fish get off the hook, yea right.
Why not put your efforts into the beaks kicking back the chums they dont want to touch rather than beaking someone who was actually going to keep a fish.
Good fish rod :)
Kingpin - I agree, he has talent at least. ;D
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Reiber are you kidding me ::)
You are telling me you have never panicked when you have had a fish get off the hook, yea right.
Why not put your efforts into the beaks kicking back the chums they dont want to touch rather than beaking someone who was actually going to keep a fish.
Everyone has lost a fish that they wanted to keep - that's very common.
Trying to kick a free fish onto shore isn't right in my opinion and yes it did remind me of the Chummers on the Stave. That's exactly why I would expect better handling of Steelhead. Whether beaks are kicking chum or any fish doesn't make it right.
It doesn't matter if someone wanted to keep the hatchery fish of not. The fish wasn't hooked at the time and it was kicked at to get onto shore. Now the fish got away but does it survive the kicks? Who knows - that's one reason why you don't use your feet to land fish.
It was also kicked at by someone who didn't even hook the fish - how is that right?
That brings up a question - Is it legal to kick a free fish onto shore even if it did come unhooked in the process of landing it?
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Well I would assume the fish would live.
Just think of what these fish go through to get up to their spawning channels, have you ever been to Othello tunnels in pink years ??? Those fish are jumping up 15+ foot waterfalls, making it halfway (sometimes) and falling backwards onto rocks at the bottom. Then they try again. That doesnt seem to affect them so why would this.
Im pretty sure the only thing this fish got was a valuble lesson not to bite things floating down the river.
Everyone has lost a fish that they wanted to keep - that's very common.
Trying to kick a free fish onto shore isn't right in my opinion and yes it did remind me of the Chummers on the Stave. That's exactly why I would expect better handling of Steelhead. Whether beaks are kicking chum or any fish doesn't make it right.
It doesn't matter if someone wanted to keep the hatchery fish of not. The fish wasn't hooked at the time and it was kicked at to get onto shore. Now the fish got away but does it survive the kicks? Who knows - that's one reason why you don't use your feet to land fish.
It was also kicked at by someone who didn't even hook the fish - how is that right?
That brings up a question - Is it legal to kick a free fish onto shore even if it did come unhooked in the process of landing it?
Good question. Care to find out for us ;)
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Well I would assume the fish would live.
Just think of what these fish go through to get up to their spawning channels, have you ever been to Othello tunnels in pink years ??? Those fish are jumping up 15+ foot waterfalls, making it halfway (sometimes) and falling backwards onto rocks at the bottom. Then they try again. That doesnt seem to affect them so why would this.
Im pretty sure the only thing this fish got was a valuble lesson not to bite things floating down the river.
Everyone has lost a fish that they wanted to keep - that's very common.
Trying to kick a free fish onto shore isn't right in my opinion and yes it did remind me of the Chummers on the Stave. That's exactly why I would expect better handling of Steelhead. Whether beaks are kicking chum or any fish doesn't make it right.
It doesn't matter if someone wanted to keep the hatchery fish of not. The fish wasn't hooked at the time and it was kicked at to get onto shore. Now the fish got away but does it survive the kicks? Who knows - that's one reason why you don't use your feet to land fish.
It was also kicked at by someone who didn't even hook the fish - how is that right?
That brings up a question - Is it legal to kick a free fish onto shore even if it did come unhooked in the process of landing it?
Good question. Care to find out for us ;)
I'm not interested in a pissing match. Every Day, obviously you don't see a problem with someone or even a bystander trying to kick an unhooked fish onto shore. You're not the only one as this unfortunately seems to be somewhat common practice around salmon season as well.
It would be interesting to hear from a DFO or CO on the subject.
Maybe I'm wrong - maybe it's okay to attempt to kick free fish onto shore. No - I don't think it's right.
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it may have been funny, but dragging it like that onto rocks isn't the best for the fish, aswell as kicking it. Not to say u dont know waht ur doing, obviously the heat of the moment, but not the best choice.
lets not get all high and mighty, he was going to retain it but lost it from my understanding... and coming from you the kid who has a pic with a wild fish this year no where near water and admitting to surfing it
lol!too funny!lol.lol.lol.
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I meant look into the regs...... that wasnt meant to start an argument, I personally have never seen anything talking about this.
I dont agree with it at all when people are doing it to fish the have snagged and dont want to touch because they are rotting, or for that matter when they just dont feel like bending down.
If this was a wild fish I would share your same concern. Truth is, they were going to kill the fish and it was getting away, why not try to kick it onto the beach.
I have seen this before when people panick with a coho at your feet, you dont think that you should bend down and grab it at the time with all the excitment (logical thing to do) you think "hey my feet are right in front of the things body, why dont I stop/beach it".
I personally do not think it is right. I have done it once before and then after thought about how stupid it was. Whenever I get a fish close to shore the first thing I do is go for the leader, I never drag fish onto the beach anymore. After I have the leader it is easy to tail the fish, and get my hands into the gills if the little bugger tries to get away ;) ;D
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Nice fish Rodney. How does a skinny guy like you can eat a burger, sausages, fries and coffee without putting on any weight ? ;D
I am trying to figure that out too as you would think sitting behind the computer many hours a day one would put on a few pounds. ;D ;D
Maybe the stress of being a fishing web page moderator has something to do with it. :-X ;D
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SO i drove off the highway into my exit to the vedder river drunk again!... lol.. no i'm just kidding.. My brother and I head down mid rive
Franky,
what were using?
leader weight?
thanks
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It is perfectly okay to "do the rock and roll " with a HATCHERY fish and the kicking.The next time I use a cannon.
It is very stressful to post any topic without some smart as%%#@$# shooting back.
Okay,I am wearing a bullet proof vest like The Obamas' getting ready to be shot.
Sorry,my bad, I am asking for it.Thanks
Joey
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That steelhead is probably fine but my guess is any other poster (especially posting that choice pic of marco trying to punt a stealhead up onto the rocks..wtf??) would have been lynched.
It's not high and mighty to call a spade a spade.....he's kicking a steelhead. Thats worse than kicking a puppy!!!! :)
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What a friggin joke...his intention was to RETAIN the fish....its his own decision how the heck he gets it up on the rocks.
Would you care if a guy used a gaff to land a hatchery fish? Giving it a boot is no different ...the thought of someone criticizing Marco for it - that's laughable! :-X
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If the fish is on the line I could care less how somebody gets it on the bank....but yes, if there was a fish swimming close to shore and somebody decided because it was a hatch job they could "gaff" it in, to me that is not sportsmanlike. Point is he lost the fish close to his feet and decided rather than trying to pick it up and harm it as little as possible that it didn't really matter how he handled it and tried to kick it in. I dunno just does not sit well with me and obviously many others.
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Please pointers if you've got any!!
Try pointing your rod sideways instead of up and down.
It puts less pressure on the fish and confuses it as to which direction to go to fight the pressure.
I normally pull on the side over the water but will switch 5 or 6 times for 20 seconds during the fight.
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Why not put your efforts into the beaks kicking back the chums
Just curious...what is a "beak" I have heard the term used a few times on this site and another??
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Please pointers if you've got any!!
Try pointing your rod sideways instead of up and down.
It puts less pressure on the fish and confuses it as to which direction to go to fight the pressure.
I normally pull on the side over the water but will switch 5 or 6 times for 20 seconds during the fight.
I'm sure somebody has brought it up before but side pressure also keeps the facing gill plate pushed against the fish, so the fish supposedly has less oxygen for the fight. Hard to test but it makes sense.
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Marmot, what you said makes no sense: "Point is he lost the fish close to his feet and decided rather than trying to pick it up and harm it as little as possible..." Do you wish he had gently picked it up with a great deal of care so he could turn around and smash it with a rock and rip its gills out? As my original post said: who cares how he get it to shore (as he was going to retain it - dead is dead). You do know that retain = kill right?!?
PS - gaffing (or netting a fish for that matter) is only legal if it used to assist a fisher in landing his catch.
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Just curious...what is a "beak" I have heard the term used a few times on this site and another??
maybe Chris will enlighten you ...... ;) ;D ;D
beako begone, right CG? ;)
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Nice fish Marco, too bad you lost it. Steelhead don't taste good anyway!! They should all be catch and release. :)
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Making a mountain out of a molehill again........
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And people wonder why less fishing reports are being posted?! ::)
Give me a break, you high and mighty armchair fishermen, go somewhere else and critique there.
Nice fish guys
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Just curious...what is a "beak" I have heard the term used a few times on this site and another??
A "beak" is anyone who is not fishing like the way you are fishing. ;)
vedder a gong show?no, this is where the true gong show is! :P
This is my contribution to keep people off the river. ;D
Okay,I am wearing a bullet proof vest like The Obamas' getting ready to be shot.
Don't worry. Marco, Chris and I have skin thick enough on our faces that it is already bullet proof. ;)
And people wonder why less fishing reports are being posted?! ::)
This seems to be a common statement whenever a disagreement arises in the fishing report. In reality, only a small percentage of people (just like in the "real world") will always be negative. In this case, one or two repliers out of more than ten. My take on this is, why would I stop participating because of a few individuals, unless I am insecured? ;)
We had a lengthy discussion yesterday while fishing about whether I should include the questioned photograph in my write-up. In the end, we agreed that it should be included. It is a good story, perhaps a good lesson, which will be remembered and talked about for a long time among our peers. When these stories are published on the website, I am fully aware of the public scrutiny that may generate from time to time. Some maybe valid, others maybe initiated by personal resentment (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=17383.msg167500#msg167500), so I and many others have learned to pick and choose whose advises we should absorb. ;) For every person who disapproves, hopefully there are ten people who appreciate the stories, which intend to excite people so they would get out and enjoy fishing as much as we do.
Like many other issues in sportfishing, the questionable action in this story falls in the grey area, which is clearly demonstrated in the follow-up discussion. The duration of the entire event was perhaps less than 10 seconds. Marco, like myself, is not a perfect being. ;) If anyone can always make a sound judgement in a split second, he or she would have my highest respect. ;D For most of us common beings, mistakes take place from time to time. In this case, the mistake is that the fish got away instead of sitting in the oven right now. ;) Should Marco apologize for doing what he did? Not in my opinion, because I would probably have done the same thing, only with my other two limbs as well. ;) Fish that we intend to keep are lost from time to time, it's part of the game. If this fish actually did not make it back in the water, we would not even be discussing this.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18945.0
Noticing that the fish's head was covered with blood, I wanted to rinse it and have the photo retaken. I brought the fish to the water and washed the blood off. Suddenly it wiggled and slipped away from my hand. Sensing freedom, it gave itself a good kick to several feet from shore! :o Panic broke out on shore. I picked up my landing net while the fish swam slowly in circle on the surface. After a few attempts, I managed to push the fish back to shore with the landing net. I then grabbed the fish and it slipped from my hand again! It, again, gave itself another quick dart away from shore! This time, even further away, unreachable with the net. >:( I grabbed the spinning rod and began casting over it, hoping to use the spinner to... ahem, push it back. At this point, Marco came over to see what the heck was hapening. He then grabbed my other spinning rod so both of us were now trying to hook this little fish on the surface while Robj held the landing net, preparing to net in case it swam back to shore. After a few minutes, the unthinkable happened. The fish sank!
"It'll resurface..."
Yeah right!
:'(
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=16074.msg156742#msg156742
I gradually worked it to a slow slot where the slope is not as steep. A quick look for the adipose fin showed nothing, it was a hatchery fish! :D I slid it up the beach and pushed it up a bit more with my hand. Just when I kneeled down to grab its tail, it flopped a couple of times and tumbled back into the drink! With the lure still in its mouth, I frantically got up and played the fish a few more seconds before the dreadful pop! :'( Shocked by what just happened, I stomped my feet and screamed while Luke gave me the "I can't believe you just did that" look. I looked across the channel, Lew was chuckling after witnessing the entire event. :-\ Deflated, I sat down and replayed the entire thing in the head.
It is the hunting instinct within us, which is why most of us go fishing in the first place. If it was illegal, then the tune would be sung differently in the story. Comparing this to actions that are deemed illegal only weakens one's argument. A simple disapproval being voiced is good enough. We can agree to disagree when it comes to how we conduct ourselves morally until new laws are introduced. The reality is that sportfishing will always have a negative impact on our natural resource and we do our best to minimize it. No educated anglers would purposely harm a fish by kicking or gaffing it with no reason, which is obviously quite different to this scenario.
Perhaps some have misread... ;D
Marco panicked and began kicking the water like a peewee soccer player, attempting to keep it in the shallow water.
It'd be silly to keep arguing at what actually took place while one side bases its argument on a photo while the other side, who was present at the event, defends.
If someone couldn't laugh at the end of this fiasco, then a visit to Dr Phil maybe required. ;) The three of us laughed at the misplay, but obviously it could be put out of context by some.
Ethics can be discussed until the sun dies and an agreement will still not be reached. I suggest that everyone should start talking about the fish that I killed instead. ;D
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See what happens when you kick a steelhead? you get a hijacked post with a bunch of losers arguing back and forth when they could be out fishing or planning their next trip. For that reason alone it's not a good idea! ;D
Just read your post Rod and like I say I wouldn't have thought anything of it and just shrugged it off until people started defending it. It's NOT a big deal but for the same reason you thought about posting that image or not I think it deserves discussion....if that makes any sense.
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Heating up I see. ;) Play nice people.
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you guys do realize that noone in their right mind would kick the fish. What we try to do is use our feet to "scoop" the fish onto shore, so maybe some of you can chill out a bit and think about it for a second. a picture will never show you the motions the person is going through. I have used the foot scoop on several HATCHERY fish or pinks, springs....what have you. I did not kick the fish at all but used my foot to do a kind of scoop slide onto the shore then reach down quickly to grab it. I do not think that this is a proper landing technique to use obviously however once in awhile it needs to be utilized.
regardless of whether its a fish to be retained or not, if you can tail the fish in knee deep water, then the landing is alot easier. of course this wont work in some areas unfortunately :-\ this is how i land all my fish even when im alone because when the fish are in water this deep they are a little more co-operative then when they are bascically on dry land.
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Hey I always play nice. No need for me to stoop to that level. Thanks for that though DIE_HARD, I saw it before it was edited out. Next time you call somebody an idiot make sure you spell is correctly.
HOOK I agree 100% believe it or not. Reading back in the post that doesn't sound like what was happening though and Rod is right, the choice of words and the picture tell a different story than what may have happened.....To me it's just another case of people taking a healthy discussion about what is OK and not OK to do while fishing and getting personal with it. It doesn't seem like anything can be brought up in a healthy manner on this site without people on both sides of the fence getting hot under the collar about it....is this leftover hostility from not being able to vent this year about flossing??? Who knows.
On a side note...and I'm not taking a stand on this so before anyone accuses me of anything else please read this sentence a few times to get it through your heads.... is it even LEGAL to net, gaff, or otherwise capture a fish that isn't attached to your line? Something to consider, maybe. I don't think it is actually legal but like I said, I could care less either way in this instance. I know for a fact it isn't legal to just reach in and grab a fish with your hands and take it home....is this legal now because he WAS playing the fish? Its an honest question and I'm not trying to start another argument, just get an answer if anyone knows.
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It doesn't seem like anything can be brought up in a healthy manner on this site without people on both sides of the fence getting hot under the collar about it...
Don't blame the site. The same can easily be found on all the other forums right now. That's how BC fishermen communicate. At least we strictly argue about fishing here. ;D
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There is no personal resentment from me whatsoever.
In my mind, what I see and read proves to me that this is a case of poor fish handling - even though it was a hatchery fish that was intended to be kept.
As long as the individuals involved in the event justify their actions in their own minds, then they can clearly believe that they did no wrong.
I'm sure enough attention has been brought to this that everyone who's followed this thread will think twice about kicking a fish to shore.
In the spirit of fair catch, shouldn't a fish that unhooks before it is landed, get the chance to swim away without being chased after?
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There is no personal resentment from me whatsoever.
In my mind, what I see and read proves to me that this is a case of poor fish handling - even though it was a hatchery fish that was intended to be kept.
As long as the individuals involved in the event justify their actions in their own minds, then they can clearly believe that they did no wrong.
I'm sure enough attention has been brought to this that everyone who's followed this thread will think twice about kicking a fish to shore.
In the spirit of fair catch, shouldn't a fish that unhooks before it is landed, get the chance to swim away without being chased after?
when the hook pops out on that hatchery fish at shore i guess it is all over. I will just let it sit there and swim back when it is ready and I won't attempt to grab it whatsoever. ::). come on man, think about it.
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Hey Rodney....congrats on your first hatchery. 8)
Seemed to get overlooked amongst the bitching ;D
Marco....sorry you lost that fish. %#@$ happens sometimes.
People are making out like you were going for a field goal, but I think you were more like trying to coral that fish with your feet while in panic mode.
Some opinions should be left at just that.Don't sweat the small stuff ;D.
Rando
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Do whatever you want to Cody. If you want to take it and kill it go ahead. If you want to help the fish back in then go right ahead.
No worries, enjoy the experience for what it is and what you make or take out of it.
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My statement was made so that the fact is the fish was wanting to be retained by marco. Although, if released, it is a whole nother argument like you just said.
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the fish was wanting to be retained by marco.
Cody, no smart fish want to be retained, they usually want to live and swim freely. ;D
Some opinions should be left at just that.Don't sweat the small stuff ;D.
Knowing Marco (and many of you do! ;D ), he probably hasn't broken a sweat over this. He is most likely smoking a Cuban right now, instead of...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2326672905_6c8268e011_o.jpg)
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you know what i mean ;D
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LOL Rodney I love it..... new display pic worthy :)
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hahaha, that is funny, very funny Rodney, congrats on the fish and that was, amazing photography, can't believe you captured that moment. I think just about anyone that has ever fished can remember a time when they either lost or almost lost a fish that they wanted to retain. Something comes over you when the hook comes out and the fish is chillin there, not yet realizing its freedom. My little brother fell into the fraser river and I stepped on and broke my reel trying to land one of the first pinks that we ever caught, when the dust had settled, we viciously bonked that fish and then thought about how stupid we must of looked. That's fishing, if this had been a wild fish it would of been a different matter, but they guy caught it, fought it, landed it, and then tried to scoot it onto dry land, big deal.
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the fish was wanting to be retained by marco.
Cody, no smart fish want to be retained, they usually want to live and swim freely. ;D
Some opinions should be left at just that.Don't sweat the small stuff ;D.
Knowing Marco (and many of you do! ;D ), he probably hasn't broken a sweat over this. He is most likely smoking a Cuban right now, instead of...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2326672905_6c8268e011_o.jpg)
I going to bed anyway as it was a long week, too many days fishing I guess but it was pretty successful too as a number of wild fish were tubed for the hatchery. ;D They should be up to the same numbers they had at this time last year. ;D
I expect this thread to have 1,000 views by morning. ;D ;D ;D
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Great fish Rodney, congrats. And great fishing story on a great day out. End of story.
Relax guys and have fun & move on. Next time when your fish breaks for freedom even on dry land after you pull the hook, make sure you stand back, fold your arms, lock your feet, smile and blow a good bye kiss. ;D ;D ;D
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Great fish Rodney, congrats. And great fishing story on a great day out. End of story.
Relax guys and have fun & move on. Next time when your fish breaks for freedom even on dry land after you pull the hook, make sure you stand back, fold your arms, lock your feet, smile and blow a good bye kiss. ;D ;D ;D
lol! well said! ;D ;D
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hahah that's right ;D
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marko just couldnt bend over to catch it ;D
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was out early today and got a small spring one other bump but nothing to get excited about.
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brood dude you got a spring on the vedder today winter run right and arnt those fish like super uper rare, good for you I bet you were a upset not to see a steelhead when you got it close.
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i was fishing out in the ocean for feeder springs
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Oh ok that makes a little more sense.