Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Knnn on August 29, 2015, 05:56:23 PM
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Last week I met a CO at the Mamquam just before it closed, who was dressed in regular clothes over his uniform. He was checking barbs and licenses quietly and efficiently.
Today on the Seymour around mid day there were 5 COs (YUP 5), 2 in uniform and three undercover. One was deep undercover, as in he was fishing next to me for at least 30 minutes, jigging a buzz-bomb. I did not have a clue until he started checking barbs etc.
One of the COs walked out with someones tackle box and rod.
Good to see them out there in force.
Sorry for cross posting this to a few sites, I think its good to get this information out to a broad audience and to let folks know that COs are taking calls seriously, and probably reading these forums.
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If he caught something, would he be allowed to keep it?
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Good to hear, unfortunately two hours ago people were again landing them tail first :(
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Seymour mouth is a complete joke, filled with a bunch of snagging idiots when the tide comes up.
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Works for me, they should have more CO's going around handing out tickets for some of the stupid crap I've seen this season. Best I've seen this season was a guy bottom bouncing for pinks in the Squamish, "Seriously? You are going to bottom bounce for pinks?" 8 foot leader, 3-4oz betty and walking out to his hips in water.
And I wonder what happens if a CO does catch something... probably catch and release. :P
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Always happy to remove the undesirables from the system.
Undercover works for me. catch the people breaking all the rules.
It is simple, no doubt they will catch offenders if they are there.
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next time take a look at his gear as he is checking you because when I was checked the CO didn't even have a hook on his spinner. When I asked about his setup he said it makes it easier for catch and release ;)
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next time take a look at his gear as he is checking you because when I was checked the CO didn't even have a hook on his spinner. When I asked about his setup he said it makes it easier for catch and release ;)
LOL that is awesome.
It is the same way as they work in Ontario.
They will arrive fish and observe and then swoop in for the kill. ( i wish they got more kills though)
A little small talk and off they go.
I have gone around the Seymour mouth and picked up people's lost gear, and i am surprised that finding legal gear is a challenge.
why do we still sell salmon setups with barbs ? can it not be the other way around and have barbed hooks as the ones we need to buy for when we can use barbs. Most of the time it is not the right hook.
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And I wonder what happens if a CO does catch something... probably catch and release. :P
They should drag them up the bank first.
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They should drag them up the bank first.
The fish or the offender? :P I'll go with the secondary.
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Seymour mouth is a complete joke, filled with a bunch of snagging idiots when the tide comes up.
Yeah it is a bit of a gong show, but to be honest all the people I saw that foul hooked the fish put them back, and most (not all) treated them fairly carefully which was good to see.
I did get awfully quite (almost peaceful) just after all the CO's showed themselves and for about an hour after they left. I'll be generous and say it was the bad weather.......
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Lots of people break the rules. Good to see them out there.
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The fish or the offender? :P I'll go with the secondary.
Oh, definitely the offender.
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knnn , me and my buds were fishing cheakamus a couple weeks ago , when we were leaving we saw a guy with big bucket full of roe :)))) we laughted when we were passing by and he smiled . after we head to car , and saw a truck with fishery signs on it :D that was the guy .
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One was deep undercover, as in he was fishing next to me for at least 30 minutes, jigging a buzz-bomb. I did not have a clue until he started checking barbs etc.
Good to see this tactic. Of course everyone is on their best behavior when the CO makes their presence known, but the true measure is what they do when they don't think anyone of consequence is watching.
Was he wearing waders? Now that I think about it none of the officers I've encountered at the Vedder have had waders so some areas where I've observed offenses would be hard to monitor. If they could make their way in there under the pretense of being just a normal fisherman they could catch a lot of naughty people by surprise.
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First time visited Amberside river mouth this morning, still saw lots of fish snagged by tail/belly/back， pulled in and bonked straightway...pretty frustrated.
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If he caught something, would he be allowed to keep it?
If he had his stamp.
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If he had his stamp.
And a cooler... And the employers permission as he is on company time... If he cuts himself cleaning the fish... Liability.... I'd let him, lol. But I'm a awesome to work for, lol
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If he caught something, would he be allowed to keep it?
They probably get plenty of fish when they confiscate fish, remember when cops would take your beer and weed, ya that didn't go into evidence either.
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They probably get plenty of fish when they confiscate fish, remember when cops would take your beer and weed, ya that didn't go into evidence either.
from what I know about cops and beers - they make you to empty your full cans . not sure about confiscating empties :D
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They probably get plenty of fish when they confiscate fish, remember when cops would take your beer and weed, ya that didn't go into evidence either.
Not sure where you are from, but they always made us pour it out, and stomp and grind buds in to the dirt.
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First time visited Amberside river mouth this morning, still saw lots of fish snagged by tail/belly/back， pulled in and bonked straightway...pretty frustrated.
Why did that frustrate you? Only you can choose how to respond to other people.
If you accidentally foul hook a salmon in the ocean, you can keep it.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/points/salmon-saumon-eng.html
If fish are stacked up at the mouth of the cap, almost any technique will occasionally foul hook fish (buzz bomb, spoon, jig, fly - weighted or sink tip). There isn't enough flow to fish a dead drifted jig, which is one of the few methods that almost never foul hooks a fish.
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At first I thought it was ok too.
But, this can be found at the end under 'reminders'.
'It is illegal to wilfully foul hook a salmon. If you accidentally foul hook a salmon in the ocean, you can keep it. If you foul hook a salmon, wilfully or accidentally, in any lake or stream, including the tidal parts of coastal streams, you must release it immediately.'
Ambleside would fall into 'tidal part of coastal stream', as would Seymour Mouth. Not sure what Furry Creek would qualify as.
I though that was pretty important.
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Ambleside would fall into 'tidal part of coastal stream', as would Seymour Mouth. Not sure what Furry Creek would qualify as.
There is a boundary where the coastal stream ends, so to say all of Ambleside is part of a stream is wrong.
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I guess maybe past the rocky point or whatever. Everyone seems to fish the estuary. I guess it's typically ambiguous. But if an estuary isn't part of a coastal stream, what is?
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What is the boundary, btw, how is it marked?
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Not sure where you are from, but they always made us pour it out, and stomp and grind buds in to the dirt.
Always took ours from back in the day, didn't care if we were drinking and driving (not me) they just wanted to jack our stuff didn't even check for a driver's licenses... Now they just steal from drug dealers/criminals... This is all in the GVRD area.... Also rural areas too now that I think of it...
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What is the boundary, btw, how is it marked?
You should be asking, what is a regulations book and how do I read it, lol.
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The boundary between freshwater and saltwater at Ambleside is clearly defined by the bridge, in the regs.
What is the clear boundary between plain old saltwater and 'tidal part of coastal stream'?
As I'm sure you are aware, the regs can appear conflicting in some cases, like the one we're discussing for example.
So, can you help with that?
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A coastal stream simply drain into a ocean... Tidal Fraser seems a fair example as it's a salt mix but clearly tidal as per regulations... A lack of any salt would be a clear line but good luck finding it, lol. This is my thoughts.
Ambleside is actually pretty easy thinking about it... Marine drive where the steep drop is into the salt water (fresh water by def still though I believe)
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Why did that frustrate you? Only you can choose how to respond to other people.
If you accidentally foul hook a salmon in the ocean, you can keep it.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/points/salmon-saumon-eng.html
If fish are stacked up at the mouth of the cap, almost any technique will occasionally foul hook fish (buzz bomb, spoon, jig, fly - weighted or sink tip). There isn't enough flow to fish a dead drifted jig, which is one of the few methods that almost never foul hooks a fish.
You gave the reason, typhoon. It is illegal to "willfully" foul hook a salmon, but you can keep the fish if "accidentally" foul hook a salmon. It's a big grey area between "willfully" and "accidentally" in the regulation and poachers DO like grey area! In my mind, this kind of regulation even encourages more people to foul hook fish by "accident".
Same story for BB, it's not selectively but it is LEGAL (at least not been explicit prohibited).
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For me the plain old salt water is if where ever you are standing there is never any water flowing from upstream of you to downstream of you. The water around you is entirely controlled by the waves and tides. It is up to the interpretation of a Conservation Officer who determines whether you are fishing in the stream or the salt water when they are assessing what you are doing.
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Good to see the CO's out a few times this year. Hope they are all using the same rulebook as the regulations are contradictory at times depending on where you happen to look. Here is one example of inconsistencies that I have found that could lead to some misunderstandings:
The DFO site says Capilano River has fishing open "Downstream of the Highway No. 1 Bridge, including tributaries"
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.html
There is only one Tributary that I know of below Highway 1 Bridge - Brothers Creek.
Provincial Fisheries site says "No Fishing" in Brothers Creek.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1517/fishing_synopsis_2015-17_region2.pdf
I wouldn't personally fish Brothers as I have grown to love it for other reasons, but really makes me wonder which official site is considered technically correct under the law, and that gets me wondering about how many "official" sites one must look at to ensure they are fully legal (at least 2 apparently). The DFO site is where one should look for updates and closures, but if one were new to fishing and only checked the DFO site - they would be quite likely be up more than just Brothers Creek withouty a paddle if a Conservation Officer saw them.
Technically below the train bridge is Saltwater - but in my opinion anyone (non-FN) who kept a snagged fish anywhere you are facing the other side of the river is fishing unethically. If you are on the beach fishing by the totem pole facing towards Stanley Park, Jericho or the stacked up tankers - different story. Never personally snagged a fish in saltwater so not sure what to make of that being legal.
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Brothers Creek has been closed to fishing for years but I can certainly see your argument. Regulations are often contradictory.
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One must check the fresh regulations to see if an area is open to fishing first.... Brothers is not.... Simple. All other tributaries are open (flash floods, storm drain, lol) it is a fish water license after all and you check their first, then the salmon suppliment/fishery notices, then go fishing.
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You gave the reason, typhoon. It is illegal to "willfully" foul hook a salmon, but you can keep the fish if "accidentally" foul hook a salmon. It's a big grey area between "willfully" and "accidentally" in the regulation and poachers DO like grey area! In my mind, this kind of regulation even encourages more people to foul hook fish by "accident".
Same story for BB, it's not selectively but it is LEGAL (at least not been explicit prohibited).
CO's know the difference between "willfully" and "accidentally". If more people think they can outsmart a CO then they deserve to get caught. Not only are COs trained to tell the difference, most have tonnes of prior fishing experience and have seen it all before.
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I wouldn't personally fish Brothers as I have grown to love it for other reasons, but really makes me wonder which official site is considered technically correct under the law, and that gets me wondering about how many "official" sites one must look at to ensure they are fully legal (at least 2 apparently). The DFO site is where one should look for updates and closures, but if one were new to fishing and only checked the DFO site - they would be quite likely be up more than just Brothers Creek withouty a paddle if a Conservation Officer saw them.
If you are planning on fishing in freshwater (ie: Brothers Creek), then you MUST check the provincial regulations. If you are planning on fishing for salmon then to need to also check the DFO regulations. Therefore, if you are fishing for salmon in freshwater then you must check TWO sites, if you are fishing in saltwater or if you are NOT fishing for salmon in freshwater, then you only need to check ONE site.
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CO's know the difference between "willfully" and "accidentally". If more people think they can outsmart a CO then they deserve to get caught. Not only are COs trained to tell the difference, most have tonnes of prior fishing experience and have seen it all before.
How about a 12/0 Single Barbless with a Roe Sack on it? ;)
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How about a 12/0 Single Barbless with a Roe Sack on it? ;)
Roe sack the size of a soft ball? :P