Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: fish2much on January 08, 2009, 03:59:12 PM
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I started regularly fishing trout beads below an indicator on local flows and have been doing well. Wondering what kind of success has been had while hunting steelhead. These little beads are just a lot simpler the most gawdy flies/lures used trick steelhead. Do most people fish them on a simple rig like I've been doing for trout? Does adding scent has any effect? Any little tricks of the trade?
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for winter runs the water is cold, the fish are lethargic. so you got to get down.way down. so for the most part it is sinktips and big bugs for this cowboy. unless the water you were fishing is really tanky and slow you would be hard pressed to get your bead down.
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Hey I had just ordered some of those right after Christmas cause I've always wanted to give them a try. Do you rig them 1-2" up from the hook using the line looped through the bead twice method? How does that work for you?
Oh and what kind of fish have you been catching with them so far?
I hadn't made up my mind if I was going to fish them as is or use them as beads on my leech flies.
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When I am fishing troutbeads I fish a single bead sliding freely above my hook with 3-4 split shots on my leader starting at about 12" from my hook and then every 8" or so to give my leader the most drag free drift possible. I will adjust my indicator until I know that my presentation is just barely above the bottom.
I've hooked Rainbows, cutts, and dollies/bulls using this method. When I first tried I was scepticle, but this method produces a lot of fish.
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Shouldn't this be in the general section ;)
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We're talking a method of fly fishing
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A tongue in cheek comment, because you are using a bobber, split shot, a synthetic bead, with a bare hook. Sounded like gear fishing to me ??? So where's the fly in this fly fishing?
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Ah well you see it's all about the rod... ::)
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well said
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Ive used trout beads with success for trout during sockeye runs.... fished the same way, if rig you them above the hook you risk less fish deep hooking themselves, I usually pre-tie a glo-bug hook with a wisp of white or peach yarn then slide the bead on the leader... in terms of its its fly fishing or not... using a glo-bug is pretty similar to a gear guy using a yarn tie.... in my opinion if your using a fly rod and a bead its still flyfishing... but really who cares!
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I'm not about to get in to another debate of whether this method is or is not fly fishing ::) I haven't hooked any steelies with trout beads yet, however I have caught plenty of rainbow, cutthroat, whitefish and bull trout with them. On small rivers I can see the benefits of using trout beads for steelies (pocket water, small seams, riffles). I'd rig them the same, pegged on the leader, but beef up the hook (gauge of steel, not size) and tippet. I do not like the looped through twice method with the trout beads, because I feel that it places an extra stress point on the tippet. I also favour the concentrated weight rig over the spreaded out weight rig, because its gets down right away. I have been using the Gamakatsu C14S and Daiichi 1650 hooks as of late, which should be plenty strong for steelies ;)
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album65/Rainbowcornerbead.jpg)
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in my opinion if your using a fly rod and a bead its still flyfishing... but really who cares!
Try and use the set-up on a fly only system and find out. Your opinion won't matter.
Wasn't trying to start any debates, just thought it funny to be considering multiple split shot, with bare hooks being called fly fishing. There is no fly. Call it fishing, of course, legal on an open water, no doubt, ethical trying not to gut hook them , even more so, but if there is no fly how is it fly fishing?
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in my opinion if your using a fly rod and a bead its still flyfishing... but really who cares!
Try and use the set-up on a fly only system and find out. Your opinion won't matter.
Wasn't trying to start any debates, just thought it funny to be considering multiple split shot, with bare hooks being called fly fishing. There is no fly. Call it fishing, of course, legal on an open water, no doubt, ethical trying not to gut hook them , even more so, but if there is no fly how is it fly fishing?
EXACTLY!!!!
Its a method of fishing not fly fishing. Same with plastic eggs on hook is also not a fly. Just because your holding a fly rod with a fly reel it does not mean you are fly fishing. If you put a worm on the end of your hook is that still fly fishing? What about putting some roe on it? Jamie's point is valid and true.
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In my opinion, I am flyfishing. I am fly casting, using a fly-line on a fly rod. Not 100% sure, but I think to fish the described way is just fine on the parts of the vedder when it is classified as fly only. I understand that this method would not work on a system that is single barbless, fly only.
Furthermore, any takes on what this thread was orignally asking would still be appreciated
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During the fly only season on the Vedder this would be pushing it. First of all, you are going to have to lose the split shot, as no external weights on your line are allowed. I am sure if you are checked by a C.O. he is going to carefully scrutinize your setup, because aside from the bead, you are fishing with a bare hook. To avoid all this scrutiny during the fly only season, why not just use a fish egg imitation such as a glow bug on a sink tip.
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In my opinion, I am flyfishing. I am fly casting, using a fly-line on a fly rod. Not 100% sure, but I think to fish the described way is just fine on the parts of the vedder when it is classified as fly only.
I am not going to debate personal views, but so the folks reading this and yourself don't get into trouble let me show you the regs. And be aware it is not an ok method to use when the river goes to fly fishing only. Please read it carefully and understand that ignorance to the law is not an excuse.
Below Vedder Crossing bridge: (a) fly fishing only, bait ban, hatchery rainbow trout release (50 cm or less), and hatchery cutthroat
release, May 1-31;
fly fishing … angling with a line to which only
an artificial fly is attached (floats, sinkers,
or attracting devices may not be attached
to the line when fishing is restricted to "fly
fishing only”.
This is written to help you understand not to start any debates. I do like the idea of a lip hook instead of a possibly fatal gut hook. But best intentions still have to abide.
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Thanks for the info.
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If you use the system I use its fine.... trout bead on a hook that has pre-tied wisp of white marabou, ive talked to CO's and this is fine for fly fishing... as long as your not using scented eggs... otherwise, all those using beadhead nymphs and bead chronis are towing the same line
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Very true patagonia, because you've put the bead on the hook.
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whats the best colour bead.?
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If you use the system I use its fine.... trout bead on a hook that has pre-tied wisp of white marabou,
Hey patagonia do you melt the bead on the hook like the ones I did below and then tie on the wisp of marabou? I've never done the marbou bit before.
(http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg465/whodeanee/n621685130_5054771_8383.jpg)
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whats the best colour bead.?
If you get the name brand "Trout beads", You'll see that there is a huge amount of colors and that they are intended to match what the eggs would actually look like in the system at that time of the year. troutbeads.com has it all, very informative.
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Berry's bait and tackle stocks them.
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Ive never tried melting them on, sounds like a good idea, I had to force the bead around the bend of the hook, took some trial and error to find the bead /hook combo that would work, melting sounds like a better option. A skirt of white or peach marabou is great for adding some action to the bead.
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Ive never tried melting them on. A skirt of white or peach marabou is great for adding some action to the bead.
I'll have to try some with the marabou when my beads get here. And when you say "skirt" of marabou, you mean like 2-3 or less of the little plumes?
As for melting them on it's nice and easy just heat the eye of the hook up slowly till it glows red then push it through the hole they already have. Then set it aside on a cork or whatever and let it cool (or you can put it in cold water). If you use a small enough hook skip this step and gone on to this one:
Once you've done this you'll notice that there is a gaping hole on either end to get rid of this use some pliers and hold the hook with them. Very slowly and carefully hold the end with the hole towards a candle (or some other flame) and watch closely so that you don't catch the bead on fire (did that a few times!). The hole will melt over forming a nice bead, do the same to the tag/rear end hole and presto -melted bead on hook. I usually use nymph or egg hooks but for the one's in the photo I was all out at the time.
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I always been curious, have you ever used a fly with a drift rod? I have been fishing with jigs this year, with success. Why couldn’t a guy fish a steelhead fly under a float?
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I always been curious, have you ever used a fly with a drift rod? I have been fishing with jigs this year, with success. Why couldn’t a guy fish a steelhead fly under a float?
I haven't done it for steelhead but I have done it with decent success for Coho and Chum. I'll start off with my normal gear but if the fish are there and don't seem to be taking much I'll switch up to all sorts of things. Flies being up there on that list.
One particular day on the Campbell in Novermber the Coho weren't taking any egg patterns and/or wools. An old timer switched up to a minnow pattern and caught 3 fish in 5 or 6 casts. Sometimes I'm a slow learner but the second fish was all the convincing I needed. Worked pretty good, I didn't even use the same colors as him just a similar profile. So yea you can drift or float flies with success for other fish.
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Back in the day when I fished gear I used to catch almost all my fish on flies under the float. I did better with them than goo, yarn, and single eggs put together. A big part of why I went fly only really.
As for it not being "fly fishing" I would have a few reservations about that moniker. Ever see them boatmen patterns that are basically a piece of Styrofoam and you colour them with markers? Yup, a fly.
What about gummy minnows? Yup, them's a fly too.
Flies these days a lot of the time are made up of artificial materials more than anything else.
For fly only systems the only thing that needs be done is get rid of the float/shot and stick the egg on the hook. In many ways the trout beads can out last Jensen eggs as they never go milky. ;)
Now with all that being said I chose to leave them on the shelf. They simply aren't "fly enough" for my liking and I use stuff called Egg Foo Yarn. This stuff makes quick easy painless egg patterns with no muss or fuss.
Not a judgement call or ethics department baloney just my preference. :)