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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: waxfeet on November 12, 2009, 05:20:26 PM
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I am thinking about heading out tomorrow. Any recommendations where to head out and find non-zombie like fish? Stave/Vedder/Chehalis ?
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Well at this time of year you will see zombie like fish in most systems,your best bet would be to stay on the north side of the fraser,there are still chrome fish to be caught in all of those systems.there are still some clean fish in the vedder but they are becoming fewer and farther between as the days pass.
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Maybe the Squamish.
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Don't bother with the Chehalis unless you know what your doing. Stave has a few nice fish left and other then that the nicomen might have a few coho hanging around.
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Squamish would be good. Haven`t been there before. What are usual spots to fish there? (don`t want to go far upper)
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I'm going to try Squamish tomorrow. Know of the best spots? What is the best way to get there?
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I am getting really tired of these posts and questions from newbie forum members. Park your car, lace up your boots, grab your rod and go for a f****** walk.
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I am getting really tired of these posts and questions from newbie forum members. Park your car, lace up your boots, grab your rod and go for a f****** walk.
now THATS one of the most ignorant posts I've seen.
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when you think about it though scouterjames, the only way you can really learn is by doing what your asking right? some people do need to realize people are not going to tell them the hot spots, but moreless tell them to find our for themselves, because that is the best way to learn. just explore. when you only listen to what people tell you, you miss out on some awesome fishing experiences. personally, i never really take someone's advice on what good fishing and what bad fishing is like on a particular system. am i correct? we all prefer different water, different conditions etc, so going by someones report is hard to go in depth as to where they were fishing. doesnt mean the fishing is good nor bad, or that the season is over.
just my 2 cents
CC
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You need a starting point...
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Not out fishing on Friday, but, I am going to try my damnedest to get out on the weekend. Or possibly Monday.
Have never fished the Stave so I might try that. Actually only ever fished moving water once, about a year ago. Wasn't successful then, but enjoyed the experience.
If you are there and see an older guy doing everything wrong, drop by and say hello. That will be me.
Min
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Get out on Saturday cause the storms are coming. Pick any river and try it out. There are fish other then salmon to be caught as well.
With a little exploring you might just find your own "secret" spot on a river.
I fish a handful of popular rivers in the Lower Mainland and like to walk 10-20 mins from parking the car and usually see no one for the day.
Point is explore it will be worth it.
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when you think about it though scouterjames, the only way you can really learn is by doing what your asking right? some people do need to realize people are not going to tell them the hot spots, but moreless tell them to find our for themselves, because that is the best way to learn. just explore. when you only listen to what people tell you, you miss out on some awesome fishing experiences. personally, i never really take someone's advice on what good fishing and what bad fishing is like on a particular system. am i correct? we all prefer different water, different conditions etc, so going by someones report is hard to go in depth as to where they were fishing. doesnt mean the fishing is good nor bad, or that the season is over.
just my 2 cents
CC
Not disagreeing with you, but as Fish Assasin mentioned after your post, you DO need a starting point.... also, it was more the way it was posted that was ignorant - tell you what, if someone answered me like that after thinking this board and ones like it were a great friendly way to meet people and to get myself started - I wouldn't be back, that's for sure. Generally people here are very friendly and helpful - I probably wouldn't be fishing as much or with near the sucess if a few of you hadn't shared some spots and advice when I was fisrt posting and asking questions (so thank you to those that have helped me and countless others get a start by sharing at least a word or two and the odd 'spot' for me to start from!!).
Since I didn't disagree with you, I only used one of your two cents - you get one back - save it for a rainy day! ;D
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Most people are smart enough to only give away the more popular spots anyways. How many are giving people GPS coordinates?
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You need a starting point...
What did beginners do before the internet????? Its one thing to ask for patterns and techniques but the search option on these sites will get you a location name. Then you might have to do some of your own research. I am not criticizing you FA its just I do see it from Cody and Daumzillas point of view. Get on the river and I wouldl be willing to help 100 times more than just trolling the websites, I guess that is just me. Why should I give up any info when I for the most part have had to do the leg work to find out or at least I have gotten it from someone in an exchange of information i.e. PM or email, you help me with a spot and I will help you out when you are up my way. It's only fair
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I agree with y'all, don't post secrets - heck, don't post any spots or gear tricks. But don't post ignorant comments either. Just ignore the request or send the guy a PM with a spot or two or trick or two - usually they're not asking for any secrets, but getting at least a general idea of direction and what to use gives someone new an idea of WHAT to search. I was searching for help when I found THIS site - growing up out of province, I didn't have a clue what river fishing was or where to go or where to start and quite frankly, the one store I went into and ask (as well as ask what to buy from them) did not treat me the way they should have and started joking about my inexperience with one of their "experienced" customers (glad they are no longer in business!!! wonder why?!?). From THAT experience, I was a little gunshy to go face to face.
Yes, two of you were kind enough to give me GPS coordinates since I barely knew where Chiliwack was, let alone the Vedder which was confusing too is it the chilliwack river or the vedder river what's the canal, is it part of the river? The tips I was given were not the popular spots, but also not super secret spots as I found out - but they WERE spots that got me hooked - again, good on ya.
What did they do before the internet? One could ask the same question about anything, what did they do before bank machines or typewriters etc. Point is the internet IS a tool and can be helpful to get people started - hopefully they will pay it forward, and by PM!
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Just a thought, one of the reasons the rivers are getting crowded is this forum. Its nice but the type of people fishing on the other side of the veddar last veterans day were bad. They felt they had to throw as close to me as possible and didn't care if I got hit. If I get hit, I might spool them. They have no manners. I met some irrate fisherman last weekend that dispuise this forum but I just listened. The forum also mentions ethics a lot. The problem is most of the bad apples don't read or understand this or hate their common man. Before this, less people got easy information and stayed off the river.
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By the way, we walked 6 miles Wednesday. :-\
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I am getting really tired of these posts and questions from newbie forum members. Park your car, lace up your boots, grab your rod and go for a f****** walk.
i've been on this forum a long time and i've seen people come and go... still, part of the reason why this site has been successful is because of the camaraderie between its members... we all have our differences, but there's a right way and a wrong way to respond to questions and requests... especially from newer members who look up to the seasoned veterans for help.
i'm with fish assassin... you need a starting point... there is NO ONE on this site that was never given a spot or two to try out... or even given a "point of direction" by a friend...or even a friendly stranger.
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Just a thought, one of the reasons the rivers are getting crowded is this forum. Its nice but the type of people fishing on the other side of the veddar last veterans day were bad. They felt they had to throw as close to me as possible and didn't care if I got hit. If I get hit, I might spool them. They have no manners. I met some irrate fisherman last weekend that dispuise this forum but I just listened. The forum also mentions ethics a lot. The problem is most of the bad apples don't read or understand this or hate their common man. Before this, less people got easy information and stayed off the river.
it's not so much the forum, as much, as how people post their fishing reports...bragging about how many they caught along with photos showing the background of where they were fishing... also making reports of where flossers are congregating and having success...these information are almost always used by those who would exploit the opportunity to get easy access to fish.
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What did we do before internet? This is such a simple answer I cannot believe nobody answered it:
#1 - Friends gave you their spots
#2 - Explored
#3 - ( where most of us got our info ) FROM LOCAL SHOPS!!!
You go into a store, you buy stuff regularly and you get info. The more they get to know you the more they give you. Spend money in local shops and you would be surprised at how much info you get. I was in my local shop today buying some fins and booties for my pontoon boat. I am heading out tomorrow and I told them where I was going. Well the owner of the shop was out in the spot just this past week and told me how well he did. So it was encouraging to know that where I am going could produce well.
I will also give some advice which I have already given in the years I have been on this forum.
#1 - Carry your regs with you.
#2 - Get map with all the local rivers, and water ways
#3 - Pick a couple of those local waters you wish to fish
#4 - Check your regs for any restrictions
#5 - Explore the area in which you have chosen.
In the slower part of the year this is what I do. I have a very long list of some of the places I plan on fishing for cutthroat in the fall/winter. Many of them I have never even been to but I will be doing lots of walking. Maybe just maybe I will find some water in which I can add to my long list of fishing locations.
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When I first started fishing the Vedder I just had an inkling where the river was. Missed the turnoff from Hwy 1. Got thoroughly lost. Had a frustrating day. Next week I went to Berry's, met a friendly chap who took some time telling me what turnoff to take, what tackle to use and directions to some holes. Took his advice and went out the following weekend. Didn't catch any fish but had the opportunity to watch other fishermen and learned from them. When fishing was slow, I took the time to do a little exploring.
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I have to agree that the best info a person can get is by getting out and doing some searching and walk and fish our local flows,i know there are many fisherman that have spent thousands of hours walking our streams and are self taught on best times ,tactics ,conditions etc and yes it does bother some people to see internet fisherman surfing for easy answers instead of just going out and doing what we all love to do and thats to fish.I have found that the internet ,while it can be a usefull tool is just another one of the present day mechanisms in our society that make people lazy and instead of getting out and doing they spend more time searching for the easy way on the websites such as this,for the most part most seasoned fisherman are not going to give away many secrets on the internet but i believe sites such as this can be a great teaching tool for the people that are new to our sport and i don't see any point in poor treatment of these individuals just because they may not know any better,in time the newbies will learn and a little help along the way can only make everyones experiences on the water more enjoyable,instead some forum members choose to chastise beginners and send them off to the rivers frustrated,in the long run that doesn't do him any good or the guys that end up fishing beside him on the flow.
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What did we do before internet? This is such a simple answer I cannot believe nobody answered it:
#1 - Friends gave you their spots
#2 - Explored
#3 - ( where most of us got our info ) FROM LOCAL SHOPS!!!
You go into a store, you buy stuff regularly and you get info. The more they get to know you the more they give you. Spend money in local shops and you would be surprised at how much info you get. I was in my local shop today buying some fins and booties for my pontoon boat. I am heading out tomorrow and I told them where I was going. Well the owner of the shop was out in the spot just this past week and told me how well he did. So it was encouraging to know that where I am going could produce well.
I will also give some advice which I have already given in the years I have been on this forum.
#1 - Carry your regs with you.
#2 - Get map with all the local rivers, and water ways
#3 - Pick a couple of those local waters you wish to fish
#4 - Check your regs for any restrictions
#5 - Explore the area in which you have chosen.
In the slower part of the year this is what I do. I have a very long list of some of the places I plan on fishing for cutthroat in the fall/winter. Many of them I have never even been to but I will be doing lots of walking. Maybe just maybe I will find some water in which I can add to my long list of fishing locations.
i hate to say this because most of the time we don't see eye to eye...but well posted...maybe daumzilla can take a pointer or two of how to post like a seasoned veteran.
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I have to agree that the best info a person can get is by getting out and doing some searching and walk and fish our local flows,i know there are many fisherman that have spent thousands of hours walking our streams and are self taught on best times ,tactics ,conditions etc and yes it does bother some people to see internet fisherman surfing for easy answers instead of just going out and doing what we all love to do and thats to fish.I have found that the internet ,while it can be a usefull tool is just another one of the present day mechanisms in our society that make people lazy and instead of getting out and doing they spend more time searching for the easy way on the websites such as this,for the most part most seasoned fisherman are not going to give away many secrets on the internet but i believe sites such as this can be a great teaching tool for the people that are new to our sport and i don't see any point in poor treatment of these individuals just because they may not know any better,in time the newbies will learn and a little help along the way can only make everyones experiences on the water more enjoyable,instead some forum members choose to chastise beginners and send them off to the rivers frustrated,in the long run that doesn't do him any good or the guys that end up fishing beside him on the flow.
agreed.
another thing also...we always talk about how we need to educate newbies on fishing ethics... if we turn them away or treat them disrespectfully when they first ask for help...how would we get them to listen if they were to pick up any bad habits learning on their own?
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After the day I had today, I won't be making my spots public on this forum. Totally agree to those who say you spend hours researching spots, walking, conditions etc...
I had a great day today and hope you all did too!
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Seems you got a good spot today. Is it on Squamish River? (no need to know the spot)
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wow i started quite a firestorm with my comment, probably should have kept that one to myself. I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, kinda grumpy after getting skunked 3 days in a row, and thinking my salmon season was over. But its nice to see how the thread has taken off in a completely different direction. I have spent countless days walking local rivers, spending more time driving aroung looking for spots to fish than actual fishing, talking to locals trying to pick their brain, asking questions, talking to guys at tackle shops, etc, etc. My point being everyting I have been through has made me a better fisherman, and more in touch with my local fishing community. I owe alot of my fishing success to this site. It's an excellent resource for a newbie salmon fisheman to learn the local rivers, techniques, etc.. Without FWR I would not have the knowledge and the confidence in my fishing abilities that I have today.
My comment was meant for the dude with one post asking for exact directions to a Squamish spot. I tried quote it but after all that I couldn't find it, it might even be in a different thread, oops.... After all I have been through on my eternal quest for chromers it just rubbed me the wrong way when some random newbie asks us for a spot where he can bring em in sideways.. Like I said, go for a walk........
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Im not sure about others but sometimes the best part of fishing is the unknown.
There is nothing like walking a river for the first time and the excitement that each new bend in the river brings.
There is enough info on these sites and elsewhere that with a small amount of homework you can almost dial in the different systems,species in them and when to go.
Not only that but once you get to the different rivers it is fairly obvious where the runs are just by the amount of vehicles in the area.
Good luck wherever you decide and hope to hear about the great day you had so i can ask you where you got them. ;D
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Im not sure about others but sometimes the best part of fishing is the unknown.
There is nothing like walking a river for the first time and the excitement that each new bend in the river brings.
There is enough info on these sites and elsewhere that with a small amount of homework you can almost dial in the different systems,species in them and when to go.
Not only that but once you get to the different rivers it is fairly obvious where the runs are just by the amount of vehicles in the area.
Good luck wherever you decide and hope to hear about the great day you had so i can ask you where you got them. ;D
Could not have said it better myself. I think alot of this is lost on the guys who only come out only at this time of the season. If you had the attitude of finding one spot and not exploring during the stealhead season especially up my way you would have alot of days where you would not be able to feel your feet and would not have touched a thing.
Seems you got a good spot today. Is it on Squamish River? (no need to know the spot)
If someone doesn't post there location you should probably respect that. If you are wondering, yes there are fish in the Squamish. Some spots are good and some are not so good. Take a chance and explore. :-\
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I agree with scouting your own spots I see some pics on this and other forums of guys standing shoulder to shoulder, I don't know about you guys but NO THANKS. If you tell your spot to someone one day you will go there and your quiet little spot has turned into a sunday morning sausage party. If you just want to go catch fish then go to Green Timbers I just saw some pics of them stocking it so there is lots of muddy trout to go around ;)