Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: big_fish on July 11, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
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This is brutal to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJOmcZjPSFE
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Catch and release at it's finest ::)
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Looks good to me!
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I'm more concerned about this young guy apparently being responsible for a child that is wandering around an area that has a muddy bank undercut by strong currents.
The maltreatment of a hatchery trout (that is intended to be harvested to clear them from the river)is meh. Although he does have some bad habits that he will unfortunately carry into his adult fishing career and his treatment of wild fish, unless he learns differently.
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Surprised he didn't just kick it into the water at the end... SMH ::)
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Unfortunately this is pretty common every summer. With the warmer weather, holidays and school out there are lots of people on the river that are just out there to cast a line while they camp or BBQ or just enjoying summer and don't have any idea of ethics or fish handling. I'd be surprised if many of them have a fishing license. If you see people like this on the river try not to approach them guns blazing. Usually a quick calm chat is all it takes and if they are hostile let them see you snap some photos of them and tell them you're going to report them. That's usually good enough to scare them a bit.
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C'mon everyone does dumb stuff as a kid, no one is born with immaculate fish handling practices.
The comment section on that video appears to be open. Rather than being all outraged here, why not post a gentle and supportive message on his video and I'll wager it would be well received.
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I'm surprised no one noticed the difficultly pulling the "barbless" hook out... I may be wrong but they always come out pretty easy for me.
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Unfortunately this is pretty common every summer. With the warmer weather, holidays and school out there are lots of people on the river that are just out there to cast a line while they camp or BBQ or just enjoying summer and don't have any idea of ethics or fish handling. I'd be surprised if many of them have a fishing license. If you see people like this on the river try not to approach them guns blazing. Usually a quick calm chat is all it takes and if they are hostile let them see you snap some photos of them and tell them you're going to report them. That's usually good enough to scare them a bit.
I'd think twice about snapping a photo at a hostile person. Might just instigate things a bit more. Just give your 2 cents and make report.
If I remember correctly a fight that I broke up between 2 fisherman was because one tried to nice and other didn't care. So nice guy snapped some photos of the other fisherman breaking rules and then it turned into a fight where a pair of scissors was pulled out on the ethical fisherman. Unfortunately Mr snaggy decided to stab other guy in the face. It was a good thing the ethical fishermen could hold his own but still needed some stiches on the face. I only broke up the fight after my shaggy got what he deserved.
My only suggestion is try not to make the situation worse or escalate things. Educate them if they willing. If not just make notes and a report. Unless your a good dancer and don't mind dancing. But not really worth the dance imo.
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He's young and probably has never received proper guidance. He even says sorry fish in the video, so has some empathy and would probably treat the fish better if he knew the proper techniques.
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Let me get this straight. A kid decides to spend a day taking his brother fishing, catches a legal trout, and instead of say way to go people attack him for not following ideal C&R? Would it of been ok if he kept it? As a child, unless I am mistaken, he doesn't need a license. As for barb less, probably not but I have known a few gurus on other rivers forget.
I am not saying he did nothing wrong. But how many guys on here used to feed "squaw" fish to the Eagles as a kid, or killed dogs who took your bait salmon fishing then tossed them over, and so many other examples. I see a video of a kid who is out fishing, having fun, and targeting a legal species. Good for him. Lots to learn but have to start somewhere.
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Let me get this straight. A kid decides to spend a day taking his brother fishing, catches a legal trout, and instead of say way to go people attack him for not following ideal C&R? Would it of been ok if he kept it? As a child, unless I am mistaken, he doesn't need a license. As for barb less, probably not but I have known a few gurus on other rivers forget.
I am not saying he did nothing wrong. But how many guys on here used to feed "squaw" fish to the Eagles as a kid, or killed dogs who took your bait salmon fishing then tossed them over, and so many other examples. I see a video of a kid who is out fishing, having fun, and targeting a legal species. Good for him. Lots to learn but have to start somewhere.
Complete nonsense. This character's actions are illegal.
If he had retained it, it might not have been illegal but it certainly would be unethical. If you are going to dispatch an animal, do it quickly.
From the regs:
" If you are under 16 and a resident of BC, you may sport fish without any licence or stamp but must still abide by the regulations."
Not needing a licence doesn't excuse the behavior.
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It's been removed
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I'd think twice about snapping a photo at a hostile person. Might just instigate things a bit more. Just give your 2 cents and make report.
If I remember correctly a fight that I broke up between 2 fisherman was because one tried to nice and other didn't care. So nice guy snapped some photos of the other fisherman breaking rules and then it turned into a fight where a pair of scissors was pulled out on the ethical fisherman. Unfortunately Mr snaggy decided to stab other guy in the face. It was a good thing the ethical fishermen could hold his own but still needed some stiches on the face. I only broke up the fight after my shaggy got what he deserved.
My only suggestion is try not to make the situation worse or escalate things. Educate them if they willing. If not just make notes and a report. Unless your a good dancer and don't mind dancing. But not really worth the dance imo.
If they stab you in the face with scissors for taking photos, they have bigger problems than learning how to fish ethically.
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If they stab you in the face with scissors for taking photos, they have bigger problems than learning how to fish ethically.
True, but you'll have the biggest problem.
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Complete nonsense. This character's actions are illegal.
If he had retained it, it might not have been illegal but it certainly would be unethical. If you are going to dispatch an animal, do it quickly.
From the regs:
" If you are under 16 and a resident of BC, you may sport fish without any licence or stamp but must still abide by the regulations."
Not needing a licence doesn't excuse the behavior.
I am genuinely curious, what regulations did he break?
Were his handling skills proper, no. Never said they were. As for dispatching quickly, that is strictly a moral code. Lots of groups around the world don't follow that. Heck, even my dad would add them to a stringer alive and put them back in the water as a kid. Have you never had a fish squirm out of your hands? Wait, it will happen. I have even had dead fish (booked and bled) do it. I am not going to say that he didn't make mistakes, but so what. No fisherman is perfect. At least none of the ones I have ever met. This kid has the basic skills, just needs to learn.
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No regulations broken and if that fish was still in the system it had become a resident. If it died after release the salmon will thank that young man.
I'm glad no one crucified me like this when I was getting started fishing...
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I'm with you on this Tylsie, some of the responses on this site and to his video were pretty brutal.
No benefit of doubt, no consideration of age or experience or the fact that most of us here have probably made similar errors in the past and still occasional may do, myself included.
Look someone is wrong on the internet, HANG THEM!
It's a shame that he took the video down, I'm presuming because of the negative comments. What is the likelihood that he did not care about the fish (I think low, considering he apologized to the fish for dropping it FFS) as opposed to the probability that he would try to do better; if given the chance? Now he probably feels persecuted and ostracized and will no longer post videos and therefore have no opportunity to receive sound advice.
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I am genuinely curious, what regulations did he break?
Were his handling skills proper, no. Never said they were. As for dispatching quickly, that is strictly a moral code. Lots of groups around the world don't follow that. Heck, even my dad would add them to a stringer alive and put them back in the water as a kid. Have you never had a fish squirm out of your hands? Wait, it will happen. I have even had dead fish (booked and bled) do it. I am not going to say that he didn't make mistakes, but so what. No fisherman is perfect. At least none of the ones I have ever met. This kid has the basic skills, just needs to learn.
Really?!? It might explain some of the responses in this thread.
It is unlawful to:
Release fish in a harmful manner if you are not going to keep your catch. Follow the catch & release tips outlined on p. 11.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1517/fishing_synopsis_2015-17_provincial.pdf
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I'm with you on this Tylsie, some of the responses on this site and to his video were pretty brutal.
No benefit of doubt, no consideration of age or experience or the fact that most of us here have probably made similar errors in the past and still occasional may do, myself included.
Look someone is wrong on the internet, HANG THEM!
It's a shame that he took the video down, I'm presuming because of the negative comments. What is the likelihood that he did not care about the fish (I think low, considering he apologized to the fish for dropping it FFS) as opposed to the probability that he would try to do better; if given the chance? Now he probably feels persecuted and ostracized and will no longer post videos and therefore have no opportunity to receive sound advice.
I assume he took it down because someone told him he did something illegal and he didn't want to get charged.
He is the poster child for what not to do.
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I assume he took it down because someone told him he did something illegal and he didn't want to get charged.
He is the poster child for what not to do.
I saw two comments and one was quite vulgar, calling this kid an a*hole and otherwise tearing into him...
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Lets face it, if DFO was on the scene they would have sternly explained catch and release rules' cautioned him about the dangers of no life jackets and moved on. End of story.
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Internet shaming is motivated by a vicious lynch mob mentality. It's getting out of control. People make mistakes and need the opportunity to right them not have their lives destroyed in public.
Anyone who'd take aim at a child over something like this needs to re-think their narrow self righteous attitude. He needs sympathetic adult guidance not shaming.
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2007, just under the train bridge, my first salmon trip and I was snagging spawning pinks for an hour, I was 10. I had a blast, my first salmon and I was hooked on salmon fishing since then. We all start somewhere. Not everyone gets taught how to fish ethically right away, but we learn.
Bashing just deters people from it all. Give the kid a break. Little constructive criticism and a few thousand casts later, they learn a thing or two. It's people that know what they're doing is wrong and are completely ignorant about it are the problem. Looking back at some of the chum and springs I used to retain makes me barf, but it's all a part of the learning curve.
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Internet shaming is motivated by a vicious lynch mob mentality. It's getting out of control. People make mistakes and need the opportunity to right them not have their lives destroyed in public.
Anyone who'd take aim at a child over something like this needs to re-think their narrow self righteous attitude. He needs sympathetic adult guidance not shaming.
No wonder why there is less posting of pictures and reports these days.
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some of us take fishing way too seriously. yes there regulations out there but cmon give this kid a break. do we know for sure that he was using a barbless hook? what is so wrong with his fish handling? do u have a clear definition of mishandling a fish? i hope this kid doesnt lose his passion for fishing because of some of our comments.