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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Gooey on October 22, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
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I want to relay a story from the capilano today. I went there and saw snaggers everywhere. one particular (under the foot bridge) was sweeping his 10.5 foot rod 180 degrees. He was obviously snagging fish.
I called RAPP on him and a number of other snaggers and proceeded to go to the foot bridge and video tape him in case DFO showed up. After enough carnage I shouted down at him that snagging is illegal. On a side note someone who made a posting earlier was describe as making racist comments but I think we need to go here. Describing this person as asian or chinese is accurate and I think an important part of the issue...is it really racist...not in my books.
Anyhow, long story short, when he heard me yelling down at him he started smiling and laughing and said "no English, no English". Am I right in thinking if he can't speak English, he can't read it? Not sure if anyone learns to read a language and cant speak it???
I question if a fisher like this is capable of understanding and interpreting the laws/regs that are supposed to govern we sports fishers?
He obviously didn't know the regs, so I dont think I am wrong questioning if he can even read the regs (his casual behaviour after I called down to him makes me think he doesn't even know snagging is illegal). I certainly couldn't communicate with him that what he was doing was wrong.
Bottom line, we have some confusing regs (they change from season to season and river to river, they change after printing and need follow up online in many cases). Are there regs in any other language than English in BC? Not that I have seen at any local shop.
I think its too easy to get a fishing licence and I don't think we properly prepare ALL fishers properly (opposed to CORE/hunting).
Anyhow not sure where I am going with this now, just kind of venting...its really sad to see 90% of the fishers on the Cap blatantly snagging fish. The system is broken and needs to be fixed.
And yes there were whites and first nations there snagging too...those individuals are just ignorant as I think there is a certain level of awareness there....they need to be regulated with better regs. In the case of this "Asian" fisher, I am not sure that there was any awareness (of the regs) so thats another issue all together.
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I have been living here for a long time and I have a hard time reading them rules such as
"non-retention" and I have to double check to make sure it means what I think it means.
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I'm sure he drove himself there and well to get a drivers license you need to be able to read english...
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I'm sure he drove himself there and well to get a drivers license you need to be able to read english...
em.. probably don't need to know English to get your license.
The exam is in many languages.
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Take the knowledge test at a driver licensing office
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/get-l#tab-content-2
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I'm sure he drove himself there and well to get a drivers license you need to be able to read english...
Agreed.
"No English, no English" is a euphemism for "f*ck you" in snaggers' lingo.
em.. probably don't need to know English to get your license.
The exam is in many languages.
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Take the knowledge test at a driver licensing office
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/get-l#tab-content-2
Actually you do.
A knowledge test is theory only, not the driving test.
To pass the road test and get your license, you MUST have functional command of English. They won't administer it in any language other than English in BC.
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em.. probably don't need to know English to get your license.
The exam is in many languages.
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Take the knowledge test at a driver licensing office
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/get-l#tab-content-2
Not sure where you're driving but where I drive EVERY sign is in ENGLISH :o
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I've fished next to many Asians (not just Chinese) on the Cap, Belcarra, Rice Lake, Richmond, and Ambleside and found them overwhelmingly friendly. They have often helped me with offers to net fish and offered advice on bait. My crab traps are usually full thanks to some advice from the guys at Ambleside. :)
There is sometimes a language barrier with older Chinese fishers but I've never found them to be any more likely to break regulations.
And honestly, how many people really read the regulations? Most people skim over them and learn by fishing. Someone tells them they are doing something wrong and they try and correct it.
Should a fishing license be harder to obtain? Maybe, but it won't stop snaggers. It will just exclude lower-income people who want to fish.
What stops people from speeding? Seeing a cop with a radar gun and cars being pulled over.
The real way to stop snagging is more enforcement.
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Not sure where you're driving but where I drive EVERY sign is in ENGLISH :o
Richmond?? LOL
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I'm sure he drove himself there and well to get a drivers license you need to be able to read english...
Cap is transit accessible. Maybe he bused there.
Maybe he is just ignorant.
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I can actually read and write French a lot better than I can speak it. Bottom line, is that ignorance of the law is no excuse, so disadvantage...yes, excuse for breaking the law...no. This is one reason why immigrants are encouraged to learn the language of the country to which you are moving. Most likely the individual you were calling out on illegal activity was simply wishing to avoid a confrontation by claiming to not to understand you, hoping you would give up on educating him.
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I don't see people calling the police when they see people riding their bike without helmet,
or calling the police when they see people driving without seat belt or using smartphone.
Why would it be so important to call DFO when they see people snagging?
What's DFO's main priority anyways? They only checked my hook all three times that I got checked.
They never checked my car or cooler to see if I have more than four salmon in my cooler or wild coho in my trunk.
I am too new to this hobby/sport to understand all this.
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Why would it be so important to call DFO when they see people snagging?
Because fish can't speak for themselves and responsible anglers are their only voice.
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Because fish can't speak for themselves and responsable anglers are their only voice.
:) responsible anglers (who also bonk them and smoke them) are their only voice
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I am too new to this hobby/sport to understand all this.
Well thats quite apparent and thats why were attempting to help you understand the urgency and seriousness of the situation.
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Well thats quite apparent and thats why were attempting to help you understand the urgency and seriousness of the situation.
Do DFO care about snagging?
Is it like calling the police regarding someone not wearing helmet when riding their bike?
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:) responsible anglers (who also bonk them and smoke them) are their only voice
Now you're getting it. Many people take sport fishing seriously and value their time on the water and realize that it is every sport fishers responsibility to know the regs. It saddens me to see the outright snagging on the Cap, one of my favourite rivers. But getting in the face of other people may not be a safe way to go though Gooey. Met you quite a few times on the Cap and I realize how much you love this river too, but just be careful bro'.
I just finished watching The Purge where for 12 hours all criminal activity is legal. Perhaps we could have dfo institute a Purge for fishing where by anyone spotting a snagger can throw him and his gear in the water, end of problem at least for 12 hours, lol. ;D
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Now you're getting it. Many people take sport fishing seriously and value their time on the water and realize that it is every sport fishers responsibility to know the regs. It saddens me to see the outright snagging on the Cap, one of my favourite rivers. But getting in the face of other people may not be a safe way to go though Gooey. Met you quite a few times on the Cap and I realize how much you love this river too, but just be careful bro'.
I just finished watching The Purge where for 12 hours all criminal activity is legal. Perhaps we could have dfo institute a Purge for fishing where by anyone spotting a snagger can throw him and his gear in the water, end of problem at least for 12 hours, lol. ;D
well.. i think first to let them know snagging is not allowed.
if they say "no engrish, no engrish" then send them back to where they come from will be better.
oh, if their gear is good, keep it, don't throw the gear in water.
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:) responsible anglers (who also bonk them and smoke them) are their only voice
Yes, ninez, but catching, bonking and smoking fish is a privilege; protecting them from being abused is our duty.
Do DFO care about snagging?
Is it like calling the police regarding someone not wearing helmet when riding their bike?
Nope.
Someone riding their bike without a helmet endangers only themselves. Darwin takes care of them. ;)
When I see a biker riding without a helmet, I think: "Poor idiot!" And I move on.
When I see a snagger snagging fish, I think: "Poor fish!" And I call a CO. (or deal with the snagger myself, depending on the situation).
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When I see a biker riding without a helmet, I think: "Poor idiot!" And I move on.
Hey, I was gonna say that..
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no english no license, simple if people cant or wont take the time to learn english they are unable to read regs and in season reg changes.
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no english no license, simple if people cant or wont take the time to learn english they are unable to read regs and in season reg changes.
no engrish is just an excuse.
say that to a judge.
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To get the "cheap" license you have to be a permanent resident of BC. To be a permanent resident you NEED by law to speak English or French. I guess if they are sponsored by their kids it's different but unless he's an old man he should be able to speak English or should pay for the non-resident alien licence (used to cost quite a bit before)
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To get the "cheap" license you have to be a permanent resident of BC. To be a permanent resident you NEED by law to speak English or French. I guess if they are sponsored by their kids it's different but unless he's an old man he should be able to speak English or should pay for the non-resident alien licence (used to cost quite a bit before)
Maybe they didn't get the "cheap" license, that's why they need to snag more fish to make the money worth.
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To get the "cheap" license you have to be a permanent resident of BC. To be a permanent resident you NEED by law to speak English or French. I guess if they are sponsored by their kids it's different but unless he's an old man he should be able to speak English or should pay for the non-resident alien licence (used to cost quite a bit before)
If hes snagging fish theres a pretty good chance he doesn't even have a license.
As for needing to speak French or English to be a permanent resident, French isn't even an official language in this province, English only (in fact, New Brunswick is the ONLY bi-lingual province. Quebec is french only) so I see that as an unlikely requirement. Regardless, all it does is change the cost of his license if he actually bought one, not a very big roadblock to keep him from doing what he was doing.
What they need is stiffer penalties. Rip up licenses, increase the fines, start tasing people... Tasers and rivers are a great mix, right?? lol
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I want to relay a story from the capilano today. I went there and saw snaggers everywhere. one particular (under the foot bridge) was sweeping his 10.5 foot rod 180 degrees. He was obviously snagging fish.
I called RAPP on him and a number of other snaggers and proceeded to go to the foot bridge and video tape him in case DFO showed up. After enough carnage I shouted down at him that snagging is illegal. On a side note someone who made a posting earlier was describe as making racist comments but I think we need to go here. Describing this person as asian or chinese is accurate and I think an important part of the issue...is it really racist...not in my books.
Anyhow, long story short, when he heard me yelling down at him he started smiling and laughing and said "no English, no English". Am I right in thinking if he can't speak English, he can't read it? Not sure if anyone learns to read a language and cant speak it???
I question if a fisher like this is capable of understanding and interpreting the laws/regs that are supposed to govern we sports fishers?
He obviously didn't know the regs, so I dont think I am wrong questioning if he can even read the regs (his casual behaviour after I called down to him makes me think he doesn't even know snagging is illegal). I certainly couldn't communicate with him that what he was doing was wrong.
Bottom line, we have some confusing regs (they change from season to season and river to river, they change after printing and need follow up online in many cases). Are there regs in any other language than English in BC? Not that I have seen at any local shop.
I think its too easy to get a fishing licence and I don't think we properly prepare ALL fishers properly (opposed to CORE/hunting).
Anyhow not sure where I am going with this now, just kind of venting...its really sad to see 90% of the fishers on the Cap blatantly snagging fish. The system is broken and needs to be fixed.
And yes there were whites and first nations there snagging too...those individuals are just ignorant as I think there is a certain level of awareness there....they need to be regulated with better regs. In the case of this "Asian" fisher, I am not sure that there was any awareness (of the regs) so thats another issue all together.
It's funny how you're complaining about someone's lack of understanding of English, yet you're a huge mess with your spelling and grammar! Sure, he was Asian, yet how did you know that he was Chinese?
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Increased number of snaggers and poachers = No fish in 10 to 20 years :( if you see it speak up or we all lose.
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Increased number of snaggers and poachers = No fish in 10 to 20 years :( if you see it speak up or we all lose.
One poacher with net could possibly do more damage than all snaggers combine.
Wouldn't the fisheries be shut down if the fish numbers are low?
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One poacher with net could possibly do more damage than all snaggers combine.
Wouldn't the fisheries be shut down if the fish numbers are low?
Dude you really need to read before you type :) that's why I said snaggers and POACHERS and the low numbers in TEN to TWENTY years !
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It's funny how you're complaining about someones lack of understanding of English, yet you're a huge mess with your spelling and grammar! Sure, he was Asian, yet how did you know that he was Chinese?
you really going to take a shot at him for a few grammar mistakes. his post was easy to read and made sense. regardless if he is Chinese or not, we have a serious problem with how people are fishing these days and i think he brings up a very good point on how people read the regs even though they cant understand English. so whats the answer, regs in different languages or a test that everyone has to pass to get their licence. i am in favor of the test option.
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so whats the answer, regs in different languages or a test that everyone has to pass to get their licence. i am in favor of the test option.
I dont think either is going to fix the problem. If they are not using legal fishing methods, I doubt they care that much about having a license either.
Having the regs in different languages would be helpful though, make it more accessible to those who want to fish properly but can't read good english. If "No English" is a truthful response from these guys, then maybe, just maybe, they actually DO care about fishing but this language thing is a barrier for them...
Of course, I dont think there are THAT many people who dont have a close relative who DOES speak fluent english (a son or daughter for instance, maybe a brother or sister or cousin) who COULD read the regs for them and explain what they can/can't do while fishing, and this is the reason I dont think having the regs in other languages will help enough. Its not like English is an entirely inaccessible language, there is tonnes of ESL services and stuff around. Hell, you could probably walk into a chinese church and ask the minister to translate the regs if you can't speak English.
A test isn't a bad idea though. To be allowed to hunt, you need to pass a test. You can either take the course, or just buy the book and challenge the test. Something similar would be a good idea. Make it something you only have to write once in your life. The problem here is cost - it can't be a free test, because someone would have to administer it, and nobody works for free these days... And why the hell should I have to go pay for a test when I already know wtf Im doing, meanwhile lots of the people who dont know wtf they are doing will just skip the test and go fish illegally.
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I would love to see a test be put in place for licensing in ENGLISH, would have no problems paying for it either.
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I would love to see a test be put in place for licensing in EGLISH, would have no problems paying for it either.
I guess nobody will be passing this test and getting their fishing licences then lol!!! ::)
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some champ wants to "deal with them himself," and by doing so basically taking the law in his own hands, some wants to deny them the rights to fishing because they don't speak English, and some others even want to send them back to their country. Crazy!!
good that those who actually make the laws are at least smarter then these individuals.
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Someone riding their bike without a helmet endangers only themselves. Darwin takes care of them. ;)
When I see a biker riding without a helmet, I think: "Poor idiot!" And I move on.
What about the added costs? If the bicyclist without a helmet hurts themselves/dies and we need to take him to a hospital via ambulance/doctors etc - doesn't society incur the added costs of this non helmet illegal behaviour? You need to expand your mind milo to situations outside your immediate bubble.
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I guess nobody will be passing this test and getting their fishing licences then lol!!! ::)
come on rod dont be so hard on him...not all of us here are bloggers who use grammer checking software (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/smiley-face-giggle.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/emoticons.html)
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Jeeze, I don't know where to start so here were go.
Riding a bike without a helmet isn't really good analogy. If someone spills without a helmet, the consequences are basically all their own although as someone pointed out, society may pay for their hospital bill.
Snaggers on the other hand damage the fishery for everyone around them:
#1 - Snaggers and flossers pollute our river because they fish deep with excessive weight and long leaders which ultimately get left on the bottom of the river in FAR greater volume than let’s say someone float fishing or throwing a $5-$8 spinner or spoon. The mess the leave behind makes it impossible to fish some runs.
#2 - They snag fish which they know they can't retain, this must cause increased mortality and reduces breeding numbers.
#3 – The way they bomb a hole and rip their lines through the water, more often than not, scares the fish and shuts the hole down…the fish stop biting. This ruins the fishing for people who are trying to get biters.
#4 – in general, snaggers are scum bags that IMO don’t belong on the river. If you don’t respect the rules or the fish then you are more likely not to respect other things like the environment. Look at all the garbage at the cable pool. It’s not there in that volume during winter steelhead when the sportsmen are out. It’s not there when the Coho run is just starting and the first true fishers are finding the run. That garbage is there in disgusting amounts now that the run is chalk full of tomatoes and the snaggers are there.
Snaggers don’t respect the regs, the fish, the environment….NOTHING....these are just a few reasons I call RAPP every chance I get.
To answer “long cast’s” question, my wife is Chinese, my brother in law Filipino, I have an Aunt from Japan, friends from Vietnam and Laos, I traveled SE Asia over extended periods of time on multiple occasions…I can tell ethnicity often by the sounds of a voice or certain physical characteristics. Singaporeans learn English as a first language and I guarantee you I can tell a Singaporean based on how their English sounds (intonation, etc)…this guy was Chinese, no doubt about it. I could post his video on Youtube if you like.
To those of you who think the “no English” is a polite way of saying F. off, I don’t think so. This guys was smiling and laughing, waving back at me…if he hadn’t been snagging fish, it would have been hysterical watching him…he was having a grand old time!
To address another comment, had I been able to communicate with him, I would have politely had a conversation with him about what he was doing and why it is wrong…when I said I “yelled” down to him it was simply due to the distance between us…there wasn’t any hostility.
I like the idea of a test. Ya I would get 100% and probably have to pay an extra $25 bucks or whatever but if it helps stop crap like this and it help people stop flossing and snagging, that would be a good investment for all of us to make.
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What about the added costs? If the bicyclist without a helmet hurts themselves/dies and we need to take him to a hospital via ambulance/doctors etc - doesn't society incur the added costs of this non helmet illegal behaviour? You need to expand your mind milo to situations outside your immediate bubble.
What about the trauma of the driver, passengers, witnesses, family of bicyclist??? What about their friends, co-workers, fishing buddies on FWR ::) ??? The ripple effect spreads wide and doesn't stop with stupidity.....
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What about the trauma of the driver, passengers, witnesses, family of bicyclist??? What about their friends, co-workers, fishing buddies on FWR ::) ??? The ripple effect spreads wide and doesn't stop with stupidity.....
Human deaths from cyclists are a tiny number. Fish killed by poachers is not. This is not about the cost to society, it's about protecting the fish who can't protect themselves.
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I've fished next to many Asians (not just Chinese) on the Cap, Belcarra, Rice Lake, Richmond, and Ambleside and found them overwhelmingly friendly. They have often helped me with offers to net fish and offered advice on bait. My crab traps are usually full thanks to some advice from the guys at Ambleside. :)
There is sometimes a language barrier with older Chinese fishers but I've never found them to be any more likely to break regulations.
And honestly, how many people really read the regulations? Most people skim over them and learn by fishing. Someone tells them they are doing something wrong and they try and correct it.
Should a fishing license be harder to obtain? Maybe, but it won't stop snaggers. It will just exclude lower-income people who want to fish.
What stops people from speeding? Seeing a cop with a radar gun and cars being pulled over.
The real way to stop snagging is more enforcement.
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To get the "cheap" license you have to be a permanent resident of BC. To be a permanent resident you NEED by law to speak English or French. I guess if they are sponsored by their kids it's different but unless he's an old man he should be able to speak English or should pay for the non-resident alien licence (used to cost quite a bit before)
Wrong on two counts.
There are numerous ways to get permanent resident without being able to speak English or French (family sponsor, working for 1 year, getting a degree, lending the government money etc)
And you don't need to be PR to get the cheap license. You just need to of been in BC for the majority of the previous year (eg work visa, student visa, two 6m holiday visas etc)
I do, however, question how someone can work out the online licensing system without being able to speak English though. Not exactly the easiest system to use.
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What about the added costs? If the bicyclist without a helmet hurts themselves/dies and we need to take him to a hospital via ambulance/doctors etc - doesn't society incur the added costs of this non helmet illegal behaviour? You need to expand your mind milo to situations outside your immediate bubble.
In doing that, I would have to expand my mind to include fat people who will be tapping into the system because of their poor eating choices, smokers for their addiction, heavy drinkers, alcoholics, substance abusers...so much so that I wouldn't have time to deal with my own immediate issues and things I am passionate about.
No, my dear.
That's what MSPBC and the optional extended health insurance is for. That's what my taxes are for. That's what the government I subsidize is for. So I can deal with my stuff. Not yours.
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I still think a course is helpful. It will at least show people some ethics, and proper methods to identify a fish. Snagging with continue just as poaching will. But if everyone is more aware of why snagging is bad, and the outcome of snagging. Then it would be a more disliked and frowned upon by the majority of the community, not just the small online community where this topic gets brought up every year. If 85 90 percent of the people frowned upon it more and knew what snagging was, there would be more people reporting it, and saying something on the river.
And yes a course in English i think should be done because the regs are in english. Doesn't matter if you speak russian, mandarin, or whatever the regs are in english, that is the only determining factor for me.
No race is a better, than the next at fishing. I just think its frustrating when someone thinks they can get away with something through not speaking english well enough to understand the regs. Ignorance is no excuse and claiming ignorance in anyones case, especially they do know better is just sad.
there is my 2 cents.
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And yes a course in English i think should be done because the regs are in english. Doesn't matter if you speak russian, mandarin, or whatever the regs are in english, that is the only determining factor for me.
Should French speakers be required to learn EGLISH to fish?
Tabernac! Le regulations are in zee French too!
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/index-fra.htm (http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/index-fra.htm)
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How about a test for only certain waters at certain times for certain fish? For example, a regular freshwater license is normal cost & everything but you would need an attachment or something to fish some systems like the Vedder or Cap.
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Should French speakers be required to learn EGLISH to fish?
Tabernac! Le regulations are in zee French too!
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/index-fra.htm (http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/index-fra.htm)
We what ever the synopsis is written in. I guess when you look at federal rules such as you mention it is true french would work also. I just believe that you should have to be able to read the regs. If they print them in other languages then that would be fine with me as well. expensive but it might help.
I pretty sure there is only two provinces considered to be bilingual, and BC is not one of them. Correct me if i am wrong, but i think its nova scotia and onterrible.
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We what ever the synopsis is written in. I guess when you look at federal rules such as you mention it is true french would work also. I just believe that you should have to be able to read the regs. If they print them in other languages then that would be fine with me as well. expensive but it might help.
I pretty sure there is only two provinces considered to be bilingual, and BC is not one of them. Correct me if i am wrong, but i think its nova scotia and onterrible.
The regs are available in English and French on the DFO website and for a while they were also available in Vietnamese and Cantonese but I haven't seen those for a long while.
New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province or territory. Nunavut is the only tri-lingual one.
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thanks for the info i couldn't remember what it was as i heard it a long time ago.
Cheers
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I may come across as ignorant, but, sometimes I think that the potential language barrier is used as a convenient excuse to "bend" or "mis-understand" the rules.
However, the entire thing about not reading is not limited to any age, gender, race, etc.
I have been working at Metrotown the last couple of weeks. Washroom renovations.
There are many signs, located in very obvious places, and yet, people (of all sorts) walk right by and ask "where are the washrooms?"
I have watched people literally push the sign aside, then when told that the washroom was closed, they will say; "why don't they put up some signs!!"
Maybe they read the regulations and just didn't "see" them!!
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In doing that, I would have to expand my mind to include fat people who will be tapping into the system because of their poor eating choices, smokers for their addiction, heavy drinkers, alcoholics, substance abusers...so much so that I wouldn't have time to deal with my own immediate issues and things I am passionate about.
No, my dear.
That's what MSPBC and the optional extended health insurance is for. That's what my taxes are for. That's what the government I subsidize is for. So I can deal with my stuff. Not yours.
By changing the parameters of your original statement about solely bicyclists it suggests you are showing us you lost your argument. Badly. You never mentioned smokers or fat people. Why not?You are like the kid caught telling a fib struggling quickly to change the story and save his behind. By the way Milo, how tall are you and how much do YOU weigh?
Not difficult of course since your logic is about as solid as a paper bag drenched in slivovitz. I guess it happens when you have to be boastful about your educational degrees rather than just showing some modesty of logic.
but your homophobic comment ~ "my dear"?
You are calling me your dear? I know English is not your first language but you are coming across quite forwardly. Perhaps check out a dictionary or and ESL course (English Second Language)? Milo if you want to ask me out, go ahead. But respectfully, I decline.
It's ok. really. I only thought you did not swing that way. Clearly you have a lot of "stuff" you want to clear from your closet. I just did not think a fishing forum was appropriate.
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By changing the parameters of your original statement about solely bicyclists it suggests you are showing us you lost your argument. Badly. You never mentioned smokers or fat people. Why not?You are like the kid caught telling a fib struggling quickly to change the story and save his behind.
I don't see it that way, Dennis. All I was doing was drawing parallels for the sake of the discussion. But if you like to see it as me losing an argument, fine. :) I never perceive an intellectual exchange as a game that people win or lose - unless it is an electoral debate - which this discussion is not.
By the way Milo, how tall are you and how much do YOU weigh?
I am amused that you are interested in my measurements. I am 6' 4" and I weigh 275 pounds.
Do you need a bodyguard or bouncer? ;D
Not difficult of course since your logic is about as solid as a paper bag drenched in slivovitz.
Whoever spilled the slivovitz in the paper bag should be punished for alcohol abuse. The only legitimate places for sliwowitz are oak barrels, glass bottles, shot glasses and the tummy. Oh, a flask is OK, too. ;)
I guess it happens when you have to be boastful about your educational degrees rather than just showing some modesty of logic.
The great William Hazlitt said: "Modesty is the lowest of the virtues, and is a confession of the deficiency it indicates." I'll leave you with that thought.
but your homophobic comment ~ "my dear"?
Huh? Homophobic? Sorry, I don't get it. "My dear" - the way I used it above - was a sarcastic remark. Very British, by the way.
I know English is not your first language but you are coming across quite forwardly. Perhaps check out a dictionary or and ESL course (English Second Language)? Milo if you want to ask me out, go ahead. But respectfully, I decline.
English is one of my three first languages. I was born in London, UK, and I attended British school. But no, I don't speak the Queen's English. Not unless my mother-in-law is around. Then I must behave. :-*
Incidentally, I design and teach English language courses for a living. Let me know if you need some pointers.
It's ok. really. I only thought you did not swing that way. Clearly you have a lot of "stuff" you want to clear from your closet. I just did not think a fishing forum was appropriate.
Of course it's OK. It's the Internet, so anything goes as long as we are polite to each other.
And yes, I do have a lot of stuff to clear from my closet. Especially the fishing one. My wife keeps telling me that it is a horrendous mess. I made her a firm promise to take care of it this winter. Would you care to lend me a hand?
Anyway, lovely chatting with you, old chap. But I am afraid I must leave you know. My angling tackle requires my immediate and undivided attention if I am to be successful in my piscatorial pursuits this weekend.
Cheers,
Milo
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but your homophobic comment ~ "my dear"?
You are calling me your dear? I know English is not your first language but you are coming across quite forwardly. Perhaps check out a dictionary or and ESL course (English Second Language)? Milo if you want to ask me out, go ahead. But respectfully, I decline.
It's ok. really. I only thought you did not swing that way. Clearly you have a lot of "stuff" you want to clear from your closet. I just did not think a fishing forum was appropriate.
"Homophobic" is a fear of homosexuality and as such, your own comments would be more homophobic than Milo's could ever have been construed as (and you certainly stretched "my dear" far to reach such a conclusion). We all will certainly have to consider our words more carefully lest you think any of us are making in an appropriate pass at you also.