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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on May 14, 2005, 10:58:41 PM
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With the Provincial Election only 2 days away what do you think the final results will be?
I am saying Liberal 50, NDP 28 and the Greens 1.
Also a reminder do not forget to get out and cast your ballot.
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Liberals will win in a landslide. Carol James will declare the campaign an overwhelming success because the NDP will win more than 2 seats.
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As far as I am concerned a vote for a liberal is a vote for sealice and the demise of our Pacific Salmon. Also I strongly object to having a convited felon for a leader. Other than that I don't much care.
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i'm voting for stv
our system is broke and needs change
stv may not be the answer but the status quo has to go
imho
;D ;D
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I think you really do care, Newsman. I support the BC Liberals but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do...far from it. Fish farms, for example, are in my opinion a disaster waiting to happen. I am like a terrier dog on this issue...just ask the two Chilliwack MLA's.
I am not against fish farms...but am against the current method of fish farming. It can be done successfully with no negative impact on the environment. That has been proven in other jurisdictions.
The important thing is to vote. I am alarmed by the number of people who just don't bother.
My prediction...NDP 18...the rest Liberal.
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There is what about 79 seats?
My prdiction is Liberals- 41
NDP-38
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Good on you Terry I hope you can get through to them. Me I have quite talking to them because I have come to the conclution that Gordon and his closed circle of freinds are a bunch of Fascists.
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You only have 3 political parties? ???
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http://www.elections.bc.ca/reg/polpartiesreg.htm
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Nina: Believe it or not we have 45 parties running for office this Tuesday. Not all of them are running a full slate of candidates. There are only two (2) parties that has a realistic chance of forming the next government: Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party.
http://www.elections.bc.ca/reg/polpartiesreg.htm
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Nina: Believe it or not we have 45 parties running for office this Tuesday. Not all of them are running a full slate of candidates. There are only two (2) parties that has a realistic chance of forming the next government: Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party.
http://www.elections.bc.ca/reg/polpartiesreg.htm
Thanks :)
Those are some funny names. We have a Centre Democratic Party in Denmark too.
So how does it work? Only one party in power? I don't know much about politics..... :-X
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The party with the majority will form the next government. 50% + 1
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The party with the majority will form the next government. 50% + 1
yeah, but what, for example, if it is divided 20 %, 30 %, 40 % and 10 % between different parties? ???
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that doesn't matter
thats why i am looking at stv
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In my opinion STV is the most important vote in the upcoming election. If it gets in we can start voting for parties instead of against them. Hence my reason for voting NDP this time round. In the last election 54% of the population voted for the Liberals which gave them 77 of the 79 seats (a majority govenrment.) What about the other 46% of the population who was left unrepresented. With the STV system every vote counts. The way things are now, a vote for any party other than the Liberals or NDP is a wasted vote. With the STV everyone will be represented by government and governments will have to work together to form unified decisions instead of pleasing their associates and financial backers. here are some links that explain how stv works:
http://www.understandingstv.ca/index.html
http://bcelectoralreform.ca/
http://fairvotingbc.com/
http://www.bcstv.ca/
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On the eve of the election I thought the one with the closest guess to the outcome of the election might like a ride in the Leaf Craft on a bar fishing trip sometime in June or July. ;D
Rolling, rolling, rolling right along to a nice Fraser River chinook. ;D ;D ;D
Hope FA mades a prediction. ;D
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With the STV everyone will be represented by government and governments will have to work together to form unified decisions instead of pleasing their associates and financial backers. here are some links that explain how stv works:
Which describes what should be happening right now in our Federal government. Never has a minority government lived longer than 18 mos. and rarely has it been able to accomplish much. How would the STV differ in your opinion (Devil's advocate here....)
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With the STV everyone will be represented by government and governments will have to work together to form unified decisions instead of pleasing their associates and financial backers. here are some links that explain how stv works:
Which describes what should be happening right now in our Federal government. Never has a minority government lived longer than 18 mos. and rarely has it been able to accomplish much. How would the STV differ in your opinion (Devil's advocate here....)
That is exactly why I voted NO. ( I voted in the advance poll as I am working at a polling station on election day)
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45 Liberal
32 NDP
2 Green
=79
don't know THAT much about politics, I still can't vote, but it's been a while since I've had gear in the water, Chris's offer is very appealling... 8) ;)
The way I saw it, the NDP are less likely to screw with the environment without turning us all into hippies...j/k :P
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On the eve of the election I thought the one with the closest guess to the outcome of the election might like a ride in the Leaf Craft on a bar fishing trip sometime in June or July. ;D
Rolling, rolling, rolling right along to a nice Fraser River chinook. ;D ;D ;D
Hope FA mades a prediction. ;D
Sounds like a deal. Will you be in the boat ? ;D
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55 Liberals
23 NDP's
1 Green
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Here's my prediction:
Liberal 50
NDP 28
Green 1
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Liberal - 49
NDP - 30
Green - 0
Sex - maybe ;)
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It's kind of long but highlights some good points...i'm posting it here not to tell you who to vote for...just vote...plus rafe (popular radio talk show host) makes a pretty direct argument vs. the current gov't in BC:
RAFE MAIR EDITORIAL
May 11, 2005
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It seems that Premier Gordon Campbell will not be
coming on this show prior to the election, as
promised. The reason, no doubt, is that he might
actually have to answer some tough questions backed
up with cross-examination. I frankly couldn't care
less. Contrary to what politicians would have you
believe, they are not good for ratings and, at any
rate, we're not in ratings.
Let me this morning simply speak as a voter, and if
the Premier were here, I would make the following
comments.
I voted for you in 2001, Premier but there are a
hell of a lot of things you have done and left
undone that make it impossible to vote for you
again.
I didn't expect you to ignore the Auditor-General's
report and the report of the public servants in the
Finance department, made available to you
immediately after the election, demonstrating that
the NDP left a surplus of $1.57 billion ...and since
you knew that, I must point out to you that when you
said "it was worse than we thought" and the province
is in "a serious deficit" that you would tell such a
clear falsehood. Moreover, when you gave the
well-off, a $2 billion tax break on your first day
in office, you gave the NDP surplus to the likes of
me, not the homeless, the sick, the elderly in need
of a long term bed or to those who badly need a
helping hand.
I didn't expect that you would hire a kissing cousin
of yours, Doug Walls, who was an undischarged
bankrupt under investigation for stealing $1
million, to look after $600 million of our money in
the Children and Families Ministry ... I didn't
expect you to deny you knew the man, even saying
that your wife doesn't know all her cousins when in
fact Walls was a prominent Liberal, a man you had
stayed with and that you had gone all the way to
Prince George so you could lease a car from him.
I didn't think you would be so mean-spirited to
instruct your Speaker to refuse party status to the
NDP.
When I voted for you I didn't expect that you would
renege, twice, on a deal with Crown prosecutors
where both sides would accept the arbitrators'
decision.
I did not expect the Campbell government to increase
the public debt of this province by 4.3 billion
dollars so that they could arrange a surplus in the
last year to bribe the voters with.
I took you at your word when you promised you
wouldn't sell BC Rail ... now are we to accept your
word that you won't sell ICBC or BC Hydro?
I didn't expect the homeless to increase by 75%
under Gordon Campbell.
I didn't ever expect to see my province as a place
where a poor person, often mentally ill, could go to
jail for begging.
I didn't elect the Campbell Liberals to see food
banks increasing the number of children it serviced
last year by over 41% and the adults by 16%.
I expected the Campbell government to keep its
promise to build 5000 new Long Term Care beds. As
listeners will know, this is likely the single most
important Health problem because as the baby boomers
get older, the shortage of long term beds becomes
more important - the presence of long term patients
in acute car beds is the main reason surgical lines
are so long ... so we have this curious result -
because older people who need long term care are in
acute care beds, their seniors colleagues, perhaps
family or friends, can't get the elective surgery
required because there are not enough acute care
beds.
I can't believe that the Premier, his health
minister and his minister in charge of long term
beds would make a promise to build 5000 long term
beds and to make that promise on my show several
times then renege. I cannot believe that suddenly,
out of the blue, comes an excuse that there were too
many LTC beds in bad shape so they had to look after
them before building new beds ... an excuse that we
didn't hear until Shirley Bond was made minister and
she had to scramble for an excuse to get out of the
credibility mess the government was in.
I didn't believe that Gordon Campbell would lift the
moratorium on fish farming and then, after two Pink
Salmon runs in the Broughton Archipelago were all
but wiped out, would refuse to save this year's run
by fallowing the fish cages which produced the sea
lice that have been destroying the smolts as they
migrate to sea. I honestly didn't believe my ears
when you told my audience on March 1st this year
that not only would he not help the wild salmon but
that he would take no responsibility when the run
fails next Fall!
I cannot believe that I heard the you in the
leaders' debate boast that you had reduced
unemployment in an aboriginal Village from 85% to 30
% ... that instead of being ashamed of yourself, you
would boast about coming to the aid of native
villagers by bringing in a filthy business like fish
farming, thus insulting them, and further damaging
wild salmon stocks the absence of which is what
caused the villagers the problem in the first place.
And this leads me to the future - I cannot support a
man and a party that is going to hand out fish farm
licenses all up and down the coast as soon as he is
elected and will open up the British Columbia
wilderness to his pals, both here and abroad, so
that tourists can shoot our Grizzly bears and
Mountain Sheep.
Moreover, I don't believe that the present
prosperity has much if anything to do with the
Liberals and everything to do with the increase of
commodity prices over which the provincial
government has no control whatever.
This premier and this government, with a couple of
exceptions, have been mean-spirited, philosophically
opposed to helping those who need it, destructive in
the extreme of the environment and come to the
people with no vision except to say elect us, we're
better than the NDP.
Make the environment an issue - it's yours to lose.
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Last chance (30 minutes) to pick the final outcome of the election tonight and a chance at a bar fishing trip on the Fraser River.
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53 Liberals
25 NDP's
1 Green
Does the trip guarantee fish? ;)
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You may all be wrong as maybe an independant will get in. I could see the Delta rep having a shot with all those problems with the hospitals.
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Well, the student vote is in, could this be a sign of things to come ?
These results are from a MOCK election, NOT the real thing, and do NOT count
45 - NDP
25 - Liberal
7 - Green
2 - Other
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You may all be wrong as maybe an independant will get in. I could see the Delta rep having a shot with all those problems with the hospitals.
Where is your prediction? ;D
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Edd is probably in hiding, and if you think about he may be the smartest of the bunch, when you think about how the Campbell Gestapo did that protester over on the Island.
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Actually I predicted the Liberals getting 47 and the NDP getting 32 with the Independant comming close to getting 1 but just missing it.
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Well, the student vote is in, could this be a sign of things to come ?
These results are from a MOCK election, NOT the real thing, and do NOT count
45 - NDP
25 - Liberal
7 - Green
2 - Other
Thank God !!! ;D ;D
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Looks like Spudcote may be the winner but some recounts will be in order with one NDP winning by only one vote in one of the ridings.
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Looks like Spudcote may be the winner but some recounts will be in order with one NDP winning by only one vote in one of the ridings.
I think you'll find ole Dragon a little closer to the mark ;)
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I really screwed up with my predictions. :'(
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I really screwed up with my predictions. :'(
But not as much as the Liberals apparently did to put them in the predicament they now find themselves. Should give us an improved government over the next 4 years.
I noticed with interest in the ridings where the fish farms are situated the NDP took all of them.
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Liberal - 49
NDP - 30
Green - 0
Sex - maybe ;)
Yes you may be correct as no Greens made it.
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Well, it's nice to have a balanced government again. It would be nice to see a 3 party system again, but it looks like the electoral flavour of the day is pretty much 2 parties here in BC :(
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So did I win ?
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Doesn't look like it now
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Uh oh, Dragonspeed is going barfishing? ;)
Spud, aren't you going to be up north by July anyways?
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Uh oh, Dragonspeed is going barfishing? ;)
Spud, aren't you going to be up north by July anyways?
And with the master there, I should be able to do all up right too!
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I head up on July 1st (Canada Day) 8) Gotta get me some river fihsing in before I start on the salt :P
I was off by one on either party eh ? not bad considering it was a random guess...hehe ;D