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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Long_Cast on June 03, 2016, 07:57:09 AM
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Anyone here excited about the opening of Bass Pro Shop in Tsawwassen?
I've been a fan of them since the early 90's and I am sure they will carry a lot of brands and products that aren't available at local tackle shops.
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You bet, can't wait to take my kid there.
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I will be going to Bass Pro, but only for the taxidermy. I have been to several and never get tired of seeing what they do. But as far as shopping, unless I was looking for something for a trip abroad or something for the local waters where I am working I don't ever buy anything.
Wait, I do by their life time guarantee socks.
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STOKED!!
Also heard something about indoor waterslides at the new mall...
... pretty stoked for that as well ;)
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So, I presume these guys have done their homework and have a solid business plan for their expansion into the LML market. Cabelas and Bass Pro and to some degree Wholesale Sports are pretty much targeting the same customer group so I'm not sure what the competition will yield for us anglers. With the rate that the local tackle shops are going out of business, unless we are all willing and able to take the long drive down the valley or Tsawwassen, we won't have a lot of choices but to buy from Walmart or crappy tire. That doesn't make me feel great about this!
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They sell nothing but junk.
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Support your local tackle shop.
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Too far from Maple Ridge but would still like to see the store and all the hoopla they get.
Ill still do what little shopping I do at the local store .
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When is the opening? I will have to make a trip out there and check it out. Stock up on "Bass stuff". 😜
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Excited for both Bass Pro and Cabelas opening :)
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Support your local tackle shop.
Agreed.
They do sell more than fishing gear though, will be interesting to see how they are price wise VS some of the other mentioned: Cabelas, Wholesale, Army n Navy etc
If they're smart with their buying power, and can come in as the cheaper option for outdoor supplies, then I think a lot of LML folk will be willing to make the drive? We're all cheap ;)
Having said that though, location wise it isn't the drive there that bugs me, its the traffic once you get there. We've all experienced that stretch of highway just after a ferry docks :o :o
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I've been to both. Cabela's is the better of the 2 for my $. I can't see how BPS will fit into the market here. It is a shame the impact this will have on our local retailers - they are already in dire straits. However this is a trend that's been under way for a couple of decades & on line shopping has been a bigger pill for them to swallow. So far markets have proven that specialty shops that provide top rate service and quality gear are able to do well.
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A lot of these American stores that come up here don't really reflect any value north of the border. Although I hope that they don't follow the lead of Target that tried ripping us off and went under quit quickly.
Cabelas looks to be fitting the "Target" mould as well, where the bargains are ONLY south of the 49th even with the exchange rate.
As an example here is a boat I bought last year "online".
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/44790/intex-mariner-3-boat-set and the online price ... http://rubberboats.com/product/intex-mariner-3-inflatable-boat.html $399 versus $169
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Intex boats like crap to me so who cares how cheap they are south of the border. Most tackle in Basspro and Cabela's have MSRPs retailers have to follow. Cabela's has superb sales particularly at end of season and clear outs of discontinued items. At least judging by their website they'll be some good deals. I fly fish primarily and the BPS fly shop is just an after thought while any Cabela's I've been in puts together a good FF department.
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Intex boats like crap to me so who cares how cheap they are south of the border. Most tackle in Basspro and Cabela's have MSRPs retailers have to follow.
--MSRP... well sort of. I recall purchasing several U boats to sell in Canada only to see Cabela's selling them in USA for less than my wholesale costs. Called the company and to bad so sad... they claimed that the boats sold to Cabela's were a different color made especially for them. I said so sell me some... slightly different colour at the same price so I can compete. I am sure it is similar today.
--I also called a lure company as Cabela's was selling the lure at below my wholesale costs. They didn't believe it till they looked on the site... not a mistake... they guaranteed that they had sold them to me at same wholesale price.. Cabelas just decided to sell some of them at a loss. But that becomes the price that people used to come into the store and shove in my face.. like I was trying to rip them off. No way to explain it. I only know that if as smaller company advertises or sells for less than MSRP they often get the boot.
--My whine for the day... lucky for me I'm retired now..less ulcer's more fishing.
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Intex boats like crap to me so who cares how cheap they are south of the border. Most tackle in Basspro and Cabela's have MSRPs retailers have to follow. Cabela's has superb sales particularly at end of season and clear outs of discontinued items. At least judging by their website they'll be some good deals. I fly fish primarily and the BPS fly shop is just an after thought while any Cabela's I've been in puts together a good FF department.
We will see, I suspect you get ripped off a lot.
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I find both stores to be crap for product selection. Might get deals on the basics but generally its not that selective.
Or in this instance, they are actually more expensive.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/fishing/fly-fishing/fly-tying/hooks-hook-storage%7C/pc/104793480/c/104721480/sc/104340780/i/103885380/umpqua-c400bi-25-pack/2203712.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fhooks-hook-storage%2F_%2FN-1100439%2B4294389104%2FNe-4294389104%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_103885380%3FWTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU
http://www.basspro.com/Umpqua-Competition-Series-AllPurpose-Fly-Hooks-C550BL/product/12032405010432/
http://www.basspro.com/Umpqua-Competition-Series-Jig-Fly-Hooks-C400BL/product/12032405010431/
Those hooks are made by a company called Hanak. I can get them for $7.99 CAD per 25 pack as opposed to $11.95+ USD per 25 when they are rebranded as Umpqua. But because they are the big box stores they bring in the easiest thing (Umpqua is a US distributor/company) rather then do what the pro/local guys do which is bring them in from the European manufacturer.
Oh yeah another thing. In archery there are companies (PSE for one) who require you to be a local pro shop and not a big box store to carry certain products. With PSE they have a mainline (cheaper, not as technologically advanced, etc..) and a pro series. Cabelas and Bass pro cannot get the Pro line (no can Wholesale sports)
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Not that excited for the new Bass Pro Shop. If its anything like Cabelas the Canadian store wont have near the selection of the US store anyways based on the website. Also, unless I'm headed to Van Island, Tsawassen is not really on the way to anywhere.
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We will see, I suspect you get ripped off a lot.
don't think so - I suspect you don't know to shop & don't understand quality - why else do a comparison that involves Intex?
Hanak Tiemco (Umpqua) etc are just labels. Neither makes hooks. They buy them FROM other makers who will make them to spec.
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don't think so - I suspect you don't know to shop & don't understand quality - why else do a comparison that involves Intex?
Hanak Tiemco (Umpqua) etc are just labels. Neither makes hooks. They buy them other makers who will make them to spec.
That may be true but in the case I mentioned Umpqua has an agreement with Hanak and distributes in the US. The H400bl (Hanak) is the same hook as a C400bl (Umpqua). The c400bl is not made for Umpqua, it is made for Hanak and sold to Umpqua (exact same design, codes are basically the same)
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don't think so - I suspect you don't know to shop & don't understand quality - why else do a comparison that involves Intex?
You appear to be a bit slow. It has nothing to do with Intex or (insert brand here) it's about the price difference/markup charged.
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You seem both obtuse and dense.
Your Cabela's to rubberboat.com comparison for the intex boat is apples to oranges. You didn't notice one was quoted in $USD and one $Cdn? Exchange will be close to $80. Then you have add shipping which will likely be $40 - if they ship to Canada, which they don't say. Then there is duty and brokerage. Since it' likely too big for USPS they'll ship Fedex or UPS and they'll hit you up for usurious 'brokerage fees' & duty By the time you can get it up here the cost would be about the same. You might save $20 or so. Whoopee!
What do you know the mark up? You likely have no clue what it is.
Besides I haven't made any reference to buying anything at Cabela's at regular price. If I want something excellent at regular price I'll go to Michael and Young.
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I've been in both Cabelas and BPS in Canada. If your interested in getting advice from a bunch of people who know nothing about local fishing and maybe saving a little bit, go ahead. Im not a millionaire but i'd rather give my money to a local business owner who took a chance on himself and could give you some great local fishing advice. Just my thoughts.
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You seem both obtuse and dense.
Your Cabela's to rubberboat.com comparison for the intex boat is apples to oranges. You didn't notice one was quoted in $USD and one $Cdn? Exchange will be close to $80. Then you have add shipping which will likely be $40 - if they ship to Canada, which they don't say. Then there is duty and brokerage. Since it' likely too big for USPS they'll ship Fedex or UPS and they'll hit you up for usurious 'brokerage fees' & duty By the time you can get it up here the cost would be about the same. You might save $20 or so. Whoopee!
What do you know the mark up? You likely have no clue what it is.
Besides I haven't made any reference to buying anything at Cabela's at regular price. If I want something excellent at regular price I'll go to Michael and Young.
RalpH you sound like someone with a grade 4 educations. There is lots of $$ difference even with the exchange (399 -169), they ship for free to the US and most Canadians living close to the border are smarter than you and have a mail box in a US border town.
Your promotion of M & Y is feeble, the place is a ghost town and I doubt it will survive another year.
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you'd better read their website - have you actually bought the product you keep promoting?
you sound like someone with a grade 4 educations
"Educations"? That hoisting yourself on your own petard.
you know I am really tired of the childlike insults we've been trading. Let's call a truce.
as for my education, I have a University degree (BBA). I have been Certified Professional Accountant for 27 years. Tell us all about yours.
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Not that excited for the new Bass Pro Shop. If its anything like Cabelas the Canadian store wont have near the selection of the US store anyways based on the website. Also, unless I'm headed to Van Island, Tsawassen is not really on the way to anywhere.
If neither Cabelas or Bass Pro has the same selection of their US counterparts, it's pointless having them here. They might put Wholesale Sports out of business though, which wouldn't bother me one bit. Such a useless store, they literally re-stocks the bulk of their fishing tackle once a year....absolutely pathetic.
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At least the spin cast boys can stock up on their " I'm a Bass Wacker " custom apparel and red and white bobbers. I'll bet opening day there is a push at the door to sign up for their credit card as well. Spend your money at your local shops.
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My local outdoors store couldn't be f*cked to carry Sako 180gr super hammerhead cartirdges in .300 Win Mag... But Bass Pro does...
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Enjoy buying big box sold items, guys. Soon the day will come where there will be no friendly local shop to go to...As far as I am concerned, I'll keep buying local, with the occasional item not available locally bought through eBay or Amazon.
Bass Pro...the name says it all. ::)
I'd rather call myself a trout amateur.
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I find local shops are great if you're starting out. They'll give you more basic advice than a Wal Mart or Canadian Tire. The problem is if you're an experienced angler suddenly they are very tight lipped about everything. Usually they start asking you for information because they don't have the time to get out due to the demand of being in the shop. It's hard to justify spending more at these shops when that happens.
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Advice at Walmart or Canadian Tire? Which bubble wrapped Zebco thumb button GI Joe / Mutant Turtle reel is better? Maybe buy our roe there? Not throwing any crap on anyone, but, I like the boys at Sea Run and Freds when I'm buying higher dollar ticket items. The thought of asking some high school kid about tackle or what to choose or how to use it... Lol.
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Advice at Walmart or Canadian Tire? Which bubble wrapped Zebco thumb button GI Joe / Mutant Turtle reel is better? Maybe buy our roe there? Not throwing any crap on anyone, but, I like the boys at Sea Run and Freds when I'm buying higher dollar ticket items. The thought of asking some high school kid about tackle or what to choose or how to use it... Lol.
You should probably go back and read the post again, bud. I'm saying those places don't give out any advice. And with anglers starting younger and younger there are a lot of high school kids that know more, and could out fish, some of the old timers. They also tend have more knowledge of newer gear and techniques than some old timers who get stubborn with age and won't stray from what they've been using for years. Just because somebody has been doing it for 20,30 or even more years doesn't mean they have been doing it right.
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Maybe your right. Sorry.
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You should probably go back and read the post again, bud. I'm saying those places don't give out any advice. And with anglers starting younger and younger there are a lot of high school kids that know more, and could out fish, some of the old timers. They also tend have more knowledge of newer gear and techniques than some old timers who get stubborn with age and won't stray from what they've been using for years. Just because somebody has been doing it for 20,30 or even more years doesn't mean they have been doing it right.
You're totally right. If I walk in to a shop and buddy has overpriced gear that he can't move but swears by it because 'this is how you're supposed to fish'... I'm sorry, I'm walking right out. On top of that, if you're so worried about getting the best gear, and you're walking in to crappy tire expecting the pimple faced dweeb wandering the aisles to give you advice; give your head a shake. It's 2016, you're grown enough to do the research and figure it out yourself. We have encyclopaedias on the internet for crying out loud.
Once a month I drive two hours to shop at Wholesale Sports. There I can buy huge quantities of line, lead, terminal tackle, etc... I walk in, find what I need, and pay for it. On top of that their prices are at least 25% less than my local tackle shop AND they provide a service discount to active military, police, and fire. I once asked a kid there where I could find a baiting needle and he replied "uhhh...the fishing section". That was my own damn mistake. The aisles are laid out in an organized, self-serve system - unlike Mr. Tackle's cluttered crawlspace packed to the ceiling with primitive bucktails, J-Plugs, and grease lines.
Yeah so two tackle shops have closed down since Wholesale moved in... but to be perfectly honest, the service there was garbage unless you wanted to buy an $8,000 custom mountain rifle. I'm sorry, I'm not waiting 30 mins to buy a handful of spoons on my day off...
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well, there's something that hasn't really been mentioned and one of the reasons I support the local shops. Its youth, it's the younger guys employed at shops making money doing something they are in love with..... that has the potential to turn into a career.
no one is in love with working at whole sale sports. seriously. maximizing profits are key, service is secondary. I assure you, when wholesale sports figures out how to do it, they will be pushing for self serve checkouts just like walmart.
in the grand scheme of things you think your saving money, but your not really. Your money is taken out of the community instantly as opposed to be being injected back into the community.
also, in regards to actually contributing to enhancing the sport we love. the big box stores don't give a rats bottom.
three years in a row I raised a few bucks for local fishing charities/organizations.... when I approached the big box stores to hang a poster in their fishing section, or sell tickets for me. they told me to beat it. literally. canadian tire, walmart and whole sale sports (which I drove to from vancouver)
every single local tackle store that I approached not only helped, they encouraged it. Posting on their own weekly newsletters, selling tickets, putting up posters and donating prizes. 8)
the way you spend your money now will dictate the services you will have in the future.... choose wisely
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Nice post banx 8)
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well, there's something that hasn't really been mentioned and one of the reasons I support the local shops. Its youth, it's the younger guys employed at shops making money doing something they are in love with..... that has the potential to turn into a career.
When I was talking about guys starting younger this is what I meant. That pimple faced kid at any tackle store may actually have more knowledge than we think. At Wholesale Sports and my local shop it's actually the younger guys that seem to know more about what's going on currently. The older guys at the shop are great to chat with you want to hear some great stories but might not be getting out as much. We all saw how much the Vedder has changed over the course of just one year so how can you trust info from somebody who might not have fished in the last 5 years or is only getting out once or twice a season. Usually it's the younger staff at either big box stores or local stores that tend to hit the water consistently.
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Nice post banx 8)
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I had a chance to get into Abbotsford's Cabela's yesterday evening for a sneak peek at their media night. I've never been to one so it was bit of an eye opener.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2016/160607-2_zpsgusg4ryp.jpg)
Personally I don't think nearby stores such as Fred's Custom Tackle have a whole lot to worry about because they are geared towards more experienced anglers who are looking for specialty items.
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I find local shops are great if you're starting out. They'll give you more basic advice than a Wal Mart or Canadian Tire. The problem is if you're an experienced angler suddenly they are very tight lipped about everything. Usually they start asking you for information because they don't have the time to get out due to the demand of being in the shop. It's hard to justify spending more at these shops when that happens.
Yes I find that to be true and it's one small facet of why I shop less locally- that and the outrageous markups local shops charge.
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Yes I find that to be true and it's one small facet of why I shop less locally- that and the outrageous markups local shops charge.
Whats outrageous? Look at cabelas.ca and you will find most of the local guys have very similar pricing.
What I find interesting is bass pro has been talking about coming in for years (2011). Cabelas meanwhile proposed a store last year/end of 2014, got the permits, started building in the fall and is open in 11 days.
Bass pro is still building with no date yet set. (From what I've seen)