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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: big_fish on July 31, 2012, 12:40:24 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjspsps7qNU
"On July 29, 2012, at about 4:40pm. We witnessed 2 bullies, drove a truck very aggressively and stopped at the north end of Eagle Mountain Drive in Coquitlam BC. They came down from their truck, screaming, shouting and moving towards an old man whom was fishing at the nearby fishing pond.
At first, we thought they were some Park Rangers checking on fishing license. But things turned ugly quickly, they kept repeating and threatening the old man that they will hurt him if he continues to fish here despite that he has a valid fishing license.
Then they ransacked the old man's belongings, took his 2 fishing poles, smashed them on the road railing until they broke into pieces and threw the fishing gears into the pond. We thought they were going to hurt the old man, so we kept yelling at them and told them what they were doing was against the laws. They didn't care and continued to uttering threats. Luckily, as they were not able to get anything out of the situation, they returned to their truck and drove off.
We asked the old man whether he wants to report this matter to the police but he declined as the laws in BC couldn't do anything towards their actions. We concluded that the bullies had the intention to actually rob the old man because they went thru this belongings.
We were very upset that this happened in peaceful Coquitlam. I always thought this place is safe as my wife and kids like to walk our dog in this area. We have to change our route and will never feel safe again."
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That is disturbing. No excuse for that type of behaviour
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Why did you not phone 911 at the time? This still should be reported to the police. Now these guys think they got away with something and are more likely to do it again.
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What the hell is wrong with those people (the bullies)?!
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Wow. Complete morons. Seems pretty cowardly. Please, at least consider submitting a statement and the video to the RCMP. If it doesn't help the old man it could help the next person to be bullied by these dummies.
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That just makes me furious! Should be reported to the police anyways by the witness. If they were overheard uttering threats and destroyed some of this man's personal belongings the police should have enough to go on. And yes, wouldn't want these losers thinking they can get away with that kind of behavior. What if the next poor victim gets physically assaulted? I wouldn't want to know that I had the license and could have reported it. IMO.
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If what we've just read was true, it makes me sick. I too hope this was reported to the RCMP pronto.
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License plate - Check.
Make and Model of vehicle - Check.
Human scum freaks me out more then wild animals. I sure hope there is an update on this.
This should be on the news.
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An unfortunate story. That location is holding water because of a family of beavers. It also feeds into Scott creek and is closed to fishing.
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By damaging the old guy's fishing equipment, isn't that a crime? The old guy can sue them for damages. The threats are definitely a case for police to take action. They can prosecute these two guys. Don't know if there is a racial element in this too.
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by not submitting your information to the police, you are advocating this action to continue happening. I really think you should re-consider. By choosing to not come forward, we make ourselves victims over and over.
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Unreal!
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Doesn't that pond hold no fish though?
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I live in the area, and needless to say I will be keeping my eyes open for that truck. I will definitely be having a chat with those guys if I ever find them. And the old man does need to report this incident. There is a plate number involved, and several witnesses. These guys will not be off the hook so long as the old man agrees to press charges. It's a mischief charge at the very least, and destruction of personal property, as well as uttering threats. The fact that these guys were picking on a helpless old man, would most likely cause the book to be thrown at them.
Why were they being so protective of that pond?
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Every situation is different but you should have called the police or 911. If you have a cell phone take a picture of the vehicle and people in question. Also yelling at pepple is good because it lets them know others see them. But if a phrase is yelled out like " The Police have been called and they will be here in five minutes". Most bullies will show their true colors and take off.
As far as never fish alone, I have fished all over this province with friends and by myself. I have yet to run into any jerks to ruin my outing but there is always a first time.
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This is a good write up and an excellent video. Nice work filming it. These guys will get what's coming to them.
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as the laws in BC couldn't do anything towards their actions.
It is the feds not provinces that set criminal code law.
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an assault has taken place where witnesses were present...this is by no means a misdemeanor...these men if found can be charged not only for assault and uttering a threat, but also for burglary because they ransacked through his bag and physically took personal belongings from him...(you can also add destruction of personal property to that list)....if they were stupid enough to make racial slurs then they can also face hate crimes.
to say he had it coming is plain ignorant...how about giving your head a shake?
i know if it was my license plate that was posted on you tube i'd be afraid of parking my truck anywhere near local rivers where an angry fisherman might get an inclination to impose their 'distaste' of what these cowards did
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what a bunch of low life's picking on that old guy lucky you guys were there or maybe it could've been worse
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Looked like a couple fish farmers. :(
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lol... buh bye. Took me awhile to figure it out who it was. :) Just because your discussion forum died, doesn't mean you can have a voice here again. :)
blaydRnr, don't mind the worthless troll. :)
Someone who thinks he's knowledgable (he is actually, somewhat lol) yet prefers to log in with a anonymous IP and mask his thoughts in pirate voice is too afraid to be personal accountable for anything. Nice comment in the video too, defending those who offend, always standing up for what's right.
The pirate troll was fun for awhile, but it's time to move on. At least have some pride by the way, don't come back.
Anyway, back to the original topic. This story has picked up quite a bit of momentum as the power of internet is scary. ;D
http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?showtopic=38825
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?84891-JULY-29-2012-Coquitlam-Never-fish-alone-in-BC
http://www.vanspace.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3008&extra=page%3D1
I believe Coquitlam RCMP has been notified by several individuals regarding this so hopefully we will see a development soon.
Regardless whether the elder gentleman was fishing in a closed area or not, it does not excuse the action of these individuals. This is someone in his 60s. It could have been your dad, your grandfather. It could have been someone who is not aware of the rules. It could also be someone who IS aware of the rules, but you phone the RAPP line instead of dealing with it yourself like the heros in the video.
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suspicious that the guy didn't want to press charges. Being the devil's advocate here, could it be that these guys warned him before about this being a closed area. And were fed up with him coming back over and over? Does not excuse their behaviour but makes you wonder... I someone broke my rods I'd be calling 911 right away so a bit suspicious...
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the case should be reported even now to the police. there are enough witness and documents available against these idiots. no tolerance to that kind of behavior.
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suspicious that the guy didn't want to press charges. Being the devil's advocate here, could it be that these guys warned him before about this being a closed area. And were fed up with him coming back over and over? Does not excuse their behaviour but makes you wonder... I someone broke my rods I'd be calling 911 right away so a bit suspicious...
people react differently when jolted...this old guy could have been suffering from shock or just too freaked out at the time.
As Rodney indicated, a call to RAPP or DFO was all that was needed to deal with the situation.
As suspicious as you are towards the old guy, I'm equally suspicious towards the two fools' true underlining agenda that motivated them to over react.
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I have to somewhat agree with the recently deceased salmon pirate (RIP) on this one. While on the surface it does it appear to be an assault, all I have to go on is a video of throwing water and some anonymous poster named big fish telling a story that may or may not have originated with him. I will refrain from joining the lunch mob at present.
Hardly a reason to not fish alone or to fear for your safety when going for walks with your family.
Edit: That should read "lynch mob" not "lunch mob". Big difference! :)
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I have to somewhat agree with the recently deceased salmon pirate (RIP) on this one. While on the surface it does it appear to be an assault, all I have to go on is a video of throwing water and some anonymous poster named big fish telling a story that may or may not have originated with him. I will refrain from joining the lunch mob at present.
Hardly a reason to not fish alone or to fear for your safety when going for walks with your family.
more than likely, an incident took place prior to the water tossing...i can't imagine it being coincidence that when the camera started rolling and 'on cue' the passenger just happened to target the old guy as they were driving past him.
witness statement and actions caught on video (be it short) would at least warrant an investigation and give credibility to their story...Big Fish also stated, he had no affiliation to the victim.
an interview with all parties involved and a simple dredge of the pond can easily determine the truth.
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The OP is not the video owner. He just C&Ped the video and description like many have done with other videos. I've been in communication with the video owner since his video has generated quite a bit of attention.
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2 nd bully story that I have read or seen today.
1st one was a report of some group in Greece that is powerful & bully like.
Many went to Greece to escape the Taliban but these Muslims are many times beat up in the public streets.
Also Chinese & East Indian are also victims of the beatings.
The police look the other way.
Greece is in big money problems thus minority races are becoming victims.
Bully bully bully behavior.
Some people are led by a loving heart & sadly some are filled with HATE.
That's why we have violent rapes murders assaults vicious fights.
Being a Christian I truly believe there is a clear choice we have as people. When it comes to our fellow human being we will either try to love or hate.
News is on & just am hearing 3 people in West Kelowna were exchanging gun shoots with police earlier today.
Just another example of hateful actions.
What these two guys did to this man was totally done from people that have anger hate bitterness... ( devil people )
One day they will meet their Maker :o
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Did I miss something with the title of the thread. I'm still fishing alone, f*** em'!
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I have to somewhat agree with the recently deceased salmon pirate (RIP) on this one. While on the surface it does it appear to be an assault, all I have to go on is a video of throwing water and some anonymous poster named big fish telling a story that may or may not have originated with him. I will refrain from joining the lunch mob at present.
Hardly a reason to not fish alone or to fear for your safety when going for walks with your family.
I agree about that there is NO REASON to not fish alone. These things rarely happen. And the OP, sad to say it is fear mongering just like the media always does. The old man, could easily just be standing at a bus stop for this type of thing to happen. Or there could be TWO old men fishing, and I'm sure the situation wouldn't have been different.
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seem to hear that water was the liquid thrown. Was it? how do we know? as for the victim/s not pressing charges, I'm told if racial slurs were thrown the offenders can be charged under hate crimes anyway.
Also heard some names being thrown around in public today, I'd be carefull, in case the wrong person gets what someone else should get, however I have no problem with a bully being bullied.
Perhaps said bully should openly apologise and pay damages to the victims, at least admit your, oops his/their mistake and save some face amongst the comunity.
As for the issue of illegal fishing, Brian's approach is the same as mine, and if the offenders appear to understand but continue, RAPP em. I think we have all at least once contravened the regs, unknowingly.
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Just a thought/question ... if anything were to come of this incident AND the old man was indeed fishing in a closed area... shouldn't the old man also be fined for fishing in a closed area...
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Regardless if they individual was fishing in a closed location, NOBODY should ever be treated that way.
Cannot believe that happened.... I am very extremely angry.
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It's also very sad to see all the comments on youtube saying the old man "should have known better" or that the youtube poster "is just trying to publicly shame" the bullies.
It's the DFO/RCMPs job to do the policing, not 2 dudes in a truck.
Of course, there may be more to the story than what we know, but at the end of the day that guy shouldn't be getting verbally or physically abused by anyone.
Just sad to see so many youtube comments saying the old dude deserved it...
Glad the license plate was recorded.
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OK, anyone can give me an official evidence about this pond is closed for fishing? I searched internet, couldn't find any regulation. I also went there in person today, couldn't find any sign.
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What is in the pond anyways?
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One last note Pirate. Not accusing just saying if you or someone you know is ripping the pinchers off of crabs be warned. Although you think this is legal it is not and you can be prosecuted when caught. Be watching for you at tsawwassen. There are eyes EVERYWHERE. ;)
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Here is a map of Scott-Hoy Creek Watershed (https://4b0ef880-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/hswsociety/maps/Map%20of%20Watershed.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cr4DGZeva0lnduEVmRoQIRZJpJqEu4OE19NHUTZsxQ1HIJ6-TUuirrH58d8XUPddIdnAe3MhPF6Va238FbGS20OLWmnDylDA6CGCCIc4_IDzS9iTxbPIx70se3EZioLcpcNvTyyThbmjRGiaSQtxMInHXXrT5Ixshzhxcaq92gmIm00eXLv4_t_jUTqrTXuSUnzIBwUfSAWtNq9LPbERf-tH-182mUiDSENTTUybanO5Eq68eQ%3D&attredirects=0), which is closed to fishing as listed in the freshwater fishing regulation synopsis (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/). The location of the incident in the video is at the north end of Eagle Mountain Drive, east of the Meridian Substation (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Coquitlam,+BC,+Canada&hl=en&ll=49.3114,-122.806485&spn=0.010436,0.017402&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.443116,71.279297&oq=Coquitlam&t=h&hnear=Coquitlam,+Greater+Vancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+Canada&z=16), which is the head of Scott Creek.
The elderly Asian man fishing in a closed area is beside the point of this thread. The appropriate action would have been to inform him to leave and phone the RAPP line if he did not. Somehow I doubt the same approach (or any approach) would have been taken if a 250lb white male was fishing there instead.
Suggesting that the elder in his 60s, someone's father, grandfather, deserved to be harassed or assaulted is pretty pathetic. If you mean it, you need to get your head checked. If you don't and only wanted to get a reaction, then you gotta start getting off the net and interact with people in real life. The troll we banned yesterday had the audacity to even suggest that here and the YouTube video when he actually fully knows the law because he works in this field. Pathetic.
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Thanks Rodney.
Here is a map of Scott-Hoy Creek Watershed (https://4b0ef880-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/hswsociety/maps/Map%20of%20Watershed.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cr4DGZeva0lnduEVmRoQIRZJpJqEu4OE19NHUTZsxQ1HIJ6-TUuirrH58d8XUPddIdnAe3MhPF6Va238FbGS20OLWmnDylDA6CGCCIc4_IDzS9iTxbPIx70se3EZioLcpcNvTyyThbmjRGiaSQtxMInHXXrT5Ixshzhxcaq92gmIm00eXLv4_t_jUTqrTXuSUnzIBwUfSAWtNq9LPbERf-tH-182mUiDSENTTUybanO5Eq68eQ%3D&attredirects=0), which is closed to fishing as listed in the freshwater fishing regulation synopsis (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/). The location of the incident in the video is at the north end of Eagle Mountain Drive, east of the Meridian Substation (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Coquitlam,+BC,+Canada&hl=en&ll=49.3114,-122.806485&spn=0.010436,0.017402&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.443116,71.279297&oq=Coquitlam&t=h&hnear=Coquitlam,+Greater+Vancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+Canada&z=16), which is the head of Scott Creek.
The old man fishing in a closed area is beside the point of this thread. The appropriate action would have been to inform him to leave and phone the RAPP line if he did not. Suggesting that the elder man in his 60s, someone's father, grandfather, deserved to be harassed or assaulted is pretty pathetic. If you mean it, you need to get your head checked. If you don't and only wanted to get a reaction, then you gotta start getting off the net and interact with people in real life. The troll we banned yesterday had the audacity to even suggest that here and the YouTube video when he actually fully knows the law because he works in this field. Pathetic.
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if the old man committed an offense then let him face the consequence of the law, but in turn let the two hoodlums face equal consequence of their actions and then let's see who committed the bigger crime....to down play witness testimony without asking for an investigation and even justifying the actions that may have occurred is truly disturbing.
it's amazing how a thread like this can show one's true colours.
So far that video on you tube has had over 1000 hits already...if it's rough justice these guys are looking for then Karma might just come calling... i'm sure more than a few angry people who felt "two against an elderly man" will and have taken note:
Blue Chevy Extended Cab 2500 HD 4x4 (most probably a 2003 model) with canopy
LICENCE PLATE: DA 5658
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The elderly Asian man fishing in a closed area is beside the point of this thread. The appropriate action would have been to inform him to leave and phone the RAPP line if he did not. Somehow I doubt the same approach (or any approach) would have been taken if a 250lb white male was fishing there instead.
It is so true, racism does exist even with this day and age . I would hand the video to the police , if i was the old man, i would lay charges....Those 2 guys has no right to do such a disgraceful act . This is nothing to do with fishing , just a hate crime. Admit it boys....
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Regardless if they individual was fishing in a closed location, NOBODY should ever be treated that way.
Cannot believe that happened.... I am very extremely angry.
X2, very well said.
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I wish that you would stop using the phrase " old man" that is an agist remark and is not allowed under the Canadian Bill of rights. Age discrimination is illegal in this country, as is racism, sexism and other isms. ;D ;D Besides it is best to stay on the good side of us of advanced years as we are mostly incapable of running down four legged game so cannibalism is easier. ::) See another of those isms. ;D
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So your saying if they break the regs by fishing in a closed area, chow down on them? :o
What I find strange is the guy taking the pictures has what looks like a rod with a bobber on it? Then the two clowns blowing a ratch when they should have called it in or maybe take some pictures of their own. That's plain bullyism. What better way of busting someone not follwing the regs or bullying than getting some video.
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The subject line should be changed to...
NEVER FISH (alone in) CLOSED TO FISHING WATERS in BC!!!!
I support the thugs. If these waters were open this incident wouldn't of happened and if it did id would be a different crime and I would say throw the book at them. The police and fisheries officers can't be everywhere and it is up to us the law abiding fishers to patrol our waters. If more poachers met the same ire then poaching would not be an issue. I'll bet this was not the first time these guys saw that man fishing there. We don't know the whole story.
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I support the thugs.
I support you being banned along with the pirate for promoting violence. There is a RAPP line for a reason.
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The subject line should be changed to...
NEVER FISH (alone in) CLOSED TO FISHING WATERS in BC!!!!
I support the thugs. If these waters were open this incident wouldn't of happened and if it did id would be a different crime and I would say throw the book at them. The police and fisheries officers can't be everywhere and it is up to us the law abiding fishers to patrol our waters. If more poachers met the same ire then poaching would not be an issue. I'll bet this was not the first time these guys saw that man fishing there. We don't know the whole story.
These are not thugs these are loser cowards.
I hope someone doesn't have your mentality when they see you doing something wrong. ;)
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Those thugs are law abiding? Give your head a shake man!
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whoever support these thugs should be kicked out of this forum.
zero tolerance for this kind of idiocy.
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I just can't believe some of the comments in this thread. I don't give a rat's xxx whether this individual is fishing in a closed section or not the real issue is of a couple bullies beating up a man in his 60s and destroying his property. If we can't protect our old, the young
and the defenceless then we lose as a society.
We can just pray that justice will be served and these two sad excuses get what they deserve. I've just been called up from the Capilano Triple A club to bat in the big leagues. Heading up to Hope for some rest and relaxation and to play with the big boys.
Wishing you All a safe and happy long weekend.
Good Fishing All !!!
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The subject line should be changed to...
NEVER FISH (alone in) CLOSED TO FISHING WATERS in BC!!!!
I support the thugs. If these waters were open this incident wouldn't of happened and if it did id would be a different crime and I would say throw the book at them. The police and fisheries officers can't be everywhere and it is up to us the law abiding fishers to patrol our waters. If more poachers met the same ire then poaching would not be an issue. I'll bet this was not the first time these guys saw that man fishing there. We don't know the whole story.
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The subject line should be changed to...
NEVER FISH (alone in) CLOSED TO FISHING WATERS in BC!!!!
I support the thugs..... We don't know the whole story.
So if you don't know the whole story then why would you assume these guys were in the right? Do you think they would have reacted the same way if it was an older Scottish gentleman fishing? or... Do you think they would have been as confrontational if it was a gang of bikers?
Let's face it, they were opportunistic and sized up the situation to their advantage....it's just too bad it wasn't a crazy machete wielding Asian that they happened to come across.
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I support the thugs.
That's what I call an oxymoron... you condemn the gentleman for fishing in a 'no fishing zone', but support a hanis crime to satisfy your sense of justice. GREAT!... you must be an expatriate of the debunked Screaming Girls Fan Club!
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These are not thugs these are loser cowards.
I hope someone doesn't have your mentality when they see you doing something wrong. ;)
that's when they whine and snivel about karma.
what bothers me, is the number of people that are trying to jusify the actions of the punks and or their support of them.
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lol... buh bye. Took me awhile to figure it out who it was. :) Just because your discussion forum died, doesn't mean you can have a voice here again. :)
blaydRnr, don't mind the worthless troll. :)
Someone who thinks he's knowledgable (he is actually, somewhat lol) yet prefers to log in with a anonymous IP and mask his thoughts in pirate voice is too afraid to be personal accountable for anything. Nice comment in the video too, defending those who offend, always standing up for what's right.
The pirate troll was fun for awhile, but it's time to move on. At least have some pride by the way, don't come back.
Anyway, back to the original topic. This story has picked up quite a bit of momentum as the power of internet is scary. ;D
http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?showtopic=38825
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?84891-JULY-29-2012-Coquitlam-Never-fish-alone-in-BC
http://www.vanspace.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3008&extra=page%3D1
I believe Coquitlam RCMP has been notified by several individuals regarding this so hopefully we will see a development soon.
Regardless whether the elder gentleman was fishing in a closed area or not, it does not excuse the action of these individuals. This is someone in his 60s. It could have been your dad, your grandfather. It could have been someone who is not aware of the rules. It could also be someone who IS aware of the rules, but you phone the RAPP line instead of dealing with it yourself like the heros in the video.
Thank you Rodney:):):)
Was growing very tired of the holier than thou attitude about everything.
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... it is up to us the law abiding fishers to patrol our waters.
Really?? Since when?? ??? >:(
and even if true, patrolling is completely different from bullying other citizens
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lets just face it folks all parties involved were wrong ::)cant we just all get along :D
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lets just face it folks all parties involved were wrong ::)cant we just all get along :D
sort of like what's happening in the middle east where kids are being shot by soldiers for throwing rocks at them and justifying their actions by saying it was in self defense.
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I doubt this would have happened to a ripped 250 lb Asian either.. :-\
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lets just face it folks all parties involved were wrong ::)cant we just all get along :D
no,
there is a difference between alleged pouching and a clear cowardice crime.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE!
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Is "Pouching" a new angling catchphrase...lol
So what your saying is poaching is not a crime??
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i believe he is saying that while poaching is a crime, the coward men in the truck had no right to act in the manor they did.
Do people have zero dignity or self respect anymore?
This discussion is going beyond the point implied. imo it should be closed to posts.
Too many people glazing over a point...
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Is "Pouching" a new angling catchphrase...lol
So what your saying is poaching is not a crime??
what do you think?
is that "poaching" justifying what those champions did?
do you know why for "poaching" there is a ticket while for a crime like that they should go behind the bars?
who give them the rights to take law in their hands? who to f... they think they are?
do you at all understand the difference here? why there are different terms used for violation and for crime?
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Did any of you ever have that feeling though when u tell someone something over and over and they don't learn or listen, so u feel like punching the person. Could be your own kid even. I know I do. Only most of us have that little voice inside that tells us it's not a good idea. Like Jim Carey once put it - uh uh uh... turning your car into incoming traffic is counterproductive... Those guys just lack that inside voice. It's called a conscience.
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The elderly Asian man fishing in a closed area is beside the point of this thread.
Maybe not to the thread but to the incident it is important. Asking people to ignore the fact is frankly, dishonest and not ethical. We can neither condone the infraction of the fishing regulations or the assault. This is not a situation of choosing between the lesser of two evils. If the location was properly posted and the victim and witnesses both knew and obeyed the fishing regulations the conflict would have been far less likely to have occurred.
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Maybe not to the thread but to the incident it is important. Asking people to ignore the fact is frankly, dishonest and not ethical. We can neither condone the infraction of the fishing regulations or the assault. This is not a situation of choosing between the lesser of two evils. If the location was properly posted and the victim and witnesses both knew and obeyed the fishing regulations the conflict would have been far less likely to have occurred.
I agree. That's not what I was trying to say, could have just worded wrong. I'm not attempting to downplay the significance of fishing regulation infractions.
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I have not read in anyone's posts that try to downplay the illegal fishing part of the events. They are separate, the first, illegal angling and the second , assult ,property damage and possibly hate crime. Separate the two events; the first party is wrong in doing what they are doing, the reasons, matter not. The second party is also wrong to do what they did , the reasons matter not.
Each should pay their dues to the legal fiddler.