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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jaws on September 26, 2009, 10:12:58 AM
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Anyone have a report?
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Too early yet. Maybe the middle of October.
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is the past you will usually get a few trickling in around now or so but the bulk doesnt really start showing until Mid October. Still worth it because the coho alot of times come in earlier and then also near the end of the chummies ;D dont expect alot of fish to be around though.
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Few coho in there now have to hunt for them, managed a hook up with coho yesterday got it in close and lost it, not allot of fish rolling but there is a few here and there, I was tossing spoons with a light action spin casting setup. worth a try i would say
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the next good rain will bring chum in all the rivers
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None for me yet, waiting with great anticipation for my first one of the year :)
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Saw about 5 to 10 boats fishing from the bridge up to the booms on my way home today.
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my favorite fall system.Stoped for a looksie on the way back from the cleanup.More boat and vehicles around the mouth than I would have expected for a very dry low tide Sept 27.Went up top and saw zero fish surface in about 10 minutes.few fishemen around casting in the sun.
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Ive heard chum in the stave are hard to catch just because the have massive sharp teeth that cut the line when they bite on the lure.
Any truth to that?
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Ive heard chum in the stave are hard to catch just because the have massive sharp teeth that cut the line when they bite on the lure.
Any truth to that?
Never had that problem
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Bobo is right, even with 8 and 10lb leader I have not run into that issue
J
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Any particular lures you would suggest?
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Any particular lures you would suggest?
Flies
Spoons and spinners work as well. You will find that chum of all the salmon species are probably the least picky when it comes to color and lures. Greens seem to be the best but I am sure its more of a confidence thing with that color for me than anything else.
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I would... lures in the lower, they all seem to have some success. Small bright spoons maybe, crocks work well but I prefer ovals like Little Cleo or Gibbs Coho.
jigs, big flashy ones like Bent Rods Jigs farther up in the current shortfloated. Or colorado blades, or spoons in deeper slower water.But thats just me.
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Any particular lures you would suggest?
The best thing to use besides flies is Bent rod's chum jigs. Purple over pink was incredible last year. Just short float the jig. You will be really surprised how well they work.
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I use spoons with good sucess. Will have to try some jigs this year.
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I was up there yesterday with my daughter saw one jump,talked to another guy he said he saw one jump.So maybe there starting to stick there noses into the system.
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I spent a few hours on the lower part of the stave after work today and didn't see any sign of salmon, there was a seal waiting for them though, lots of cutts to be had however.
As a side note; anyone ever hear about seals biting people or anything? they get really close and when I was drifting the stave today all I could think about is how much my flippers with gold writing on them must look tasty.
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I spent a few hours on the lower part of the stave after work today and didn't see any sign of salmon, there was a seal waiting for them though, lots of cutts to be had however.
As a side note; anyone ever hear about seals biting people or anything? they get really close and when I was drifting the stave today all I could think about is how much my flippers with gold writing on them must look tasty.
Is it a pretty easy kick around? Much current to speak of?
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If your small in stature a seal will definitely take a go at your jugular. Best defense is to imitate being a seal. Too many incidents this year with seal already.
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Is it a pretty easy kick around? Much current to speak of?
tidal currents at the mouth get pretty stong, though there is the odd person in a tube or pontoon.
not sure about seals after what happened this year
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I spent a few hours on the lower part of the stave after work today and didn't see any sign of salmon, there was a seal waiting for them though, lots of cutts to be had however.
As a side note; anyone ever hear about seals biting people or anything? they get really close and when I was drifting the stave today all I could think about is how much my flippers with gold writing on them must look tasty.
When I used to dive a lot, my split fins used to get bitten by seals all the time. Not hard enough to leave marks though. I had one sneak up behind me one time and drag me backwards for a couple of seconds. Every jaws movie I ever saw came back in mind. Scared the living _ _ _ _ out of me until I realized what it was. Was also body checked by a big one during a night dive. I think they're just playful, but they have a lot of power.
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I literally had one almost take my hand off my 3rd day on the island (just moved).
I was just landing a chromer doe pink for a pic (was just grabbing the tail base in the water), saw a brown blur coming at me and instinctvly let the fish go.
The fish got devoured 2 feet in front of me... water was so clear I could see the blood. Thats scared the hell out of me.
Also have had a few bump into my legs out here beach fishing so far, pretty hard hit, enough to knock you over if you are not prepared (and these are relativly small seals)
Best not to take too many chances if you can, most of the time they are most interested in the fish though, especially the ones flashing on the end of your line. ;D
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I find Chum to bite almost anything. I've hooked quite a few with Blades of various sizes and colours.
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I remember one year there was a seal in the Vedder and two days after there was one dead on the shore. The hole in its side looked like lead poisoning to me.
Anyways, probably will give the Stave a try this weekend. Any reports from today or yesterday?
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How classy.
I remember one year there was a seal in the Vedder and two days after there was one dead on the shore. The hole in its side looked like lead poisoning to me.
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Lead poisoning? As in a bullet wound?
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not just seals.two bears crossed teh river right below me today, crappy cellphone pic
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs248.snc1/9533_148257897750_697292750_3160647_820777_n.jpg)
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The bears get trapped on the east side every year. Everytime one bear gets removed another one moves in.
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I remember one year there was a seal in the Vedder and two days after there was one dead on the shore. The hole in its side looked like lead poisoning to me.
Anyways, probably will give the Stave a try this weekend. Any reports from today or yesterday?
Might have been suicide.
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someone probably snagged it with their 50lb leeder while bb'ing for chums and ripped a hole in its side... ;)
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I was walking around just under the dam today and there was alot of fish jumping. Would this be chum or is this too early? There was a few guys fishing but the only fish I saw caught was a small trout. In that channel just below the parking lot looked like it has a few pinks in it well past their prime.
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As said above, Chum, Coho, Chinook and Pinks are all present there right now.
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Went to the mouth today. Nobody caught anything for the two hours I was there........any advice???
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well, when they are in thick it will be easier.
maybe move upriver to the faster flow, drift jigs blades or roe.
I heard it was crowded there today, plus low and clear and bright out, not the best conditions either.
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Ive seen booty chum and some big springs last week plus some pinks.tight lipped compared to other sytems though
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Took a walk around today and it was not to busy. The only fish I saw where swimming away from the seal. Gates are now not open till 9:30am so if you arrive early you will have to park on the road.
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Took a walk around today and it was not to busy. The only fish I saw where swimming away from the seal. Gates are now not open till 9:30am so if you arrive early you will have to park on the road.
Ya I noticed the 9:30 opening the other day when i was up there checking things out. What is with that? The road is going to turn into a parking lot real fast...
And I noticed the spawning channel is dug out more ( i didn't fish it last year so i don't know if this is necessarily a new thing). Not to mention the person fishing the spawning channel (not sure if it is legal or not, it doesn't say anything in the regs and i didn't see any no fishing signs so i didn't say anything to the gentleman)
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it is not illegal, but it really should be, same principle as peach creek at the vedder
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most stave salmon (chum and a few coho) show up after mid october....
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Last year the Stave was done by early November.
Let's hope everything is late.
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I remember the last few years people lined up fishing the spawning channel. Yuck and why?
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Last year the Stave was done by early November.
Let's hope everything is late.
Maybe for you it is ;)
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Are you saying you have been having success on the Stave?
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Are you saying you have been having success on the Stave?
I am saying that early November is not necessarily the end of the salmon season on the Stave. Just ask newsman.....
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I was still finding white bellied Chum in the stave last Nov. however all the Springs turned early.
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i agree ive got some white bellied chum out of the stave in november also alot less people fishing there at that time also
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Last year a buddy took me to the Stave for a little sight seeing on the way back from another system. We saw a woman in rubber boots carrying a fishing rod pushing her kid in a stroller through a spawning channel! :o :o :o :D :D :D :D :D
Stopped by again yesterday around 6pm, nothing happening yet as far as I could tell. There was however a lady in a bikini floating around the toilet bowl.
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I normally do alright in the Stave in November. I guess last year I was a bit late - it was a giant graveyard with literally thousands of dead chum.
My buddy caught the only live chum in the whole area on a jig, and it was a spawned out doe. Saw a few tomatoes on their reds as well but didn't bother them.
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Got my first chum of the year today. There were quite a few guys in the river for a Tuesday.
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and less fish than last week from what I saw.
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and less fish than last week from what I saw.
Saw you around noon when I drove over the Bridge today Ray. I was not out fishing unfortunately was on my way to a meeting instead.
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Right on.Saw basically nothing there and less uptop that last week.
Been ok closer to home but no hoes yet
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Went and picked up some bentrods jigs today. The guy at the store said put a prawn and the hook as well, do you guys do this? When fishing with a jig, do you just do it the same way as when you are short float fishing wool or roe? I want to take my six year old boy out salmon fishing would the stave be a better place to take him than the vedder? Thanks for your help ;D
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The stave is better than the vedder but not by much.
It will still be very, very busy.
I use jigs without prawn. It certainly isn't necessary for Chum, though it might improve your chances for steelhead in the winter.
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The jigs will work very well without bait, and at times better with but I wouldnt worry about it for chum.
If you are closer to the Stave try there.It can be less crowded and has lots of fast water in the upper part for drifting jigs.
Not sure if its picked up there yet though, will have some chum and will soon have way too many.
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The jigs will work very well without bait, and at times better with but I wouldnt worry about it for chum.
If you are closer to the Stave try there.It can be less crowded and has lots of fast water in the upper part for drifting jigs.
Not sure if its picked up there yet though, will have some chum and will soon have way too many.
I live in Abbotsford so both are pretty close. Should I be fishing just below the dam in the fast water with the jigs? I think the vedder might be a total gong show and not a good experience for my boy.
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go to Rod's site he has lots of good info on how to fish the jigs
http://www.bentrods.ca
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Thanks EZ, thats a good site. ;D
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Any updates for the Stave as of late.
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I was there today with WESTFORM, his daughter and our friend, we were up near the dam in the fast water at high tide when the schools of chum come in, I had 4 chum and one pink on today. In the afternoon we went out to the mouth and WESTFORM hooked into a 6' dino. Great day...a little windy for me, but better than hanging around the house.
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I was there today with WESTFORM, his daughter and our friend, we were up near the dam in the fast water at high tide when the schools of chum come in, I had 4 chum and one pink on today. In the afternoon we went out to the mouth and WESTFORM hooked into a 6' dino. Great day...a little windy for me, but better than hanging around the house.
My plan is to go out tomorrow morning, what did you use for bait?
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was at the stave last weekend and there were a fair few chum being pulled out, not many coho, and a few jacks.
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Hey, Im heading out to the Stave tomorrow morning.
Im targeting chum and coho, what set up should i use, i was thinking of spincasting spoons or jigs.
or i will use my bait caster and float fish or whatever will catch me fish.
Any and all advice will help.
Thanks
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Try short floating silver blades along any of the main flows
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floating roe for coho or jigs and blades for chum/coho
spinning with spoons or spinners, both work well in the right water but you can get foul hooked fish if there are too many around
best bet is to try and find rising fish.most areas should now have chum, maybe lots.
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I was out there this morning and i'll be out there again tomorrow. I hooked 5 chum on the fly but couldn't land any of them. I'm not used to fly fishing for such a big fish. 5lbs and under i can handle but these big boys tore mre a new one. First fish on decided to head back to sea as soon as he was hooked and my knuckles took a beating from the screaming reel before it spat the hook. Of the other 4 i hooked, one more spat the hook and three snapped me off >:(
Oh well, i'll try again tomorrow, maybe i'll have a bit more luck.
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I will head to the tackle shop before fishing tomorrow and pick up what is needed.
how crowded is the stave right now?
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I was out there this morning and i'll be out there again tomorrow. I hooked 5 chum on the fly but couldn't land any of them. I'm not used to fly fishing for such a big fish. 5lbs and under i can handle but these big boys tore mre a new one. First fish on decided to head back to sea as soon as he was hooked and my knuckles took a beating from the screaming reel before it spat the hook. Of the other 4 i hooked, one more spat the hook and three snapped me off >:(
Oh well, i'll try again tomorrow, maybe i'll have a bit more luck.
I don't mean for you to take this the wrong way but did you consider the possibility that the chum may have been foul hooked? If you were swinging heavy tips/flies it is a possibility (If you weren't ignore what I said). Foul hooked chum are nasty on a fly rod (any rod really), fair hooked chum usually only have one good run then dog it until they are brought in. Chum in the stave can be particularity bad because they seem to be a fair bit larger on average than those in the other main river systems.
Good luck tomorrow, hope you get a few brutes to shore
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Whats the limit on coho/chum in the stave
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Whats the limit on coho/chum in the stave
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.htm
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Thanks Rod
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Hey, Im heading out to the Stave tomorrow morning.
Im targeting chum and coho, what set up should i use, i was thinking of spincasting spoons or jigs.
or i will use my bait caster and float fish or whatever will catch me fish.
Any and all advice will help.
Thanks
Try purple jigs or a small amount of purple wool tied to your hook with an egg loop knot - worked well for me today.
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does everyone go to the mouth? or has anyone ever tried more up stream???
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I don't mean for you to take this the wrong way but did you consider the possibility that the chum may have been foul hooked? If you were swinging heavy tips/flies it is a possibility (If you weren't ignore what I said). Foul hooked chum are nasty on a fly rod (any rod really), fair hooked chum usually only have one good run then dog it until they are brought in. Chum in the stave can be particularity bad because they seem to be a fair bit larger on average than those in the other main river systems.
Good luck tomorrow, hope you get a few brutes to shore
See thats what I thought at first but I'm pretty sure i only snagged one in the dorsal and it snapped me off pretty quick, all the other appeared to be in the lip from what i could see . I'm not using a heavy tip and the fly is not weighted (no lead underbody and no bead head, just marabou and hook). I tried again today for a bit on the fly but i gave up pretty quick as my hand were getting too cold. I changed to short floating and landed quite a few. Kept two and let the rest go.
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Guess you just have to keep at it, you will get them figured out sooner or later.
J
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Was there 3 days ago, lots of fish in the river but not what I've seen before. I left when 3 guys waded in front of me >:( . I was flyfishing for chums not hats.
But I was surprised after reading reports on crayfish at how many I saw. Just look in the water for red claws with white spots, there are so many in that river.
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Was there on Saturday morning on the mid West side... water level was very low (doh - tide was out - forgot to check), and what few fish I saw - spawning colors where quite evident. Did not see a single chromie.
This still did not discourage a number of 'fisherman' (I use the term loosely in this case) from using 6-8 foot leaders... where the water level was 1 - 3 feet deep. >:(
One guy kept snagging them while his missus and child where cheering him on. On the flip side - he did release them better than most others - carefully handling them and reviving them in the water before sending them on their way. :)
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I finally got a chance to check out Stave today. Got there at about 7:15am, the gate was open and there were already a doz vehicles in the lot. By noon there were 25-30 from toilet bowl on down the river. Still lots of room.
I was dissappointed. Just alot of camo'd chums and a handful of cutties. Lots of fish were being "caught" and bonked *yuk*. There was no bite this am, I threw alot of flies at them but nothing. The other fly guys and spooners said the same thing. Would of been great to get into one but oh well.
Stopped into the fly shop on the way home and picked up a handful of flies and the skinny on the cohos there. I'll be back ;)
[Funeral of Hearts] If you don't mind me asking, what flies were you using?
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Stopped into the fly shop on the way home and picked up a handful of flies and the skinny on the cohos there. I'll be back ;)
[Funeral of Hearts] If you don't mind me asking, what flies were you using?
You can't go wrong with Gold beadhead Olive or Black Wooly Buggers...
Cheers,
Todd
http://www.bcflyfishingadventures.com/bcflyfishingadventures_034.com (http://www.bcflyfishingadventures.com/bcflyfishingadventures_034.com)
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Thanks for the reply Todd. I was hucking gold beadhead olive woolys but clearly not getting it deep enough in one spot and just the wrong location in others. Wish I weren't working this saturday I'd take your course.
You can't go wrong with Gold beadhead Olive or Black Wooly Buggers...
Cheers,
Todd
http://www.bcflyfishingadventures.com/bcflyfishingadventures_034.com (http://www.bcflyfishingadventures.com/bcflyfishingadventures_034.com)
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[Funeral of Hearts] If you don't mind me asking, what flies were you using?
a variation of an Alaskabou
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Thanks for the reply Todd. I was hucking gold beadhead olive woolys but clearly not getting it deep enough in one spot and just the wrong location in others. Wish I weren't working this saturday I'd take your course.
That's too bad, as there are still a few seats available for Saturday's course...
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Any plan to hold the course in Vancouver ?
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Not at this time. I will be presenting only one "Coho Salmon on the Fly" course this fall (this Saturday, Oct 17th), as my work schedule is a bit too demanding these days...
Hope to see a few of you there!
Cheers,
Todd
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You should have a digest version available for download from your site. I know I'd buy it.
Not at this time. I will be presenting only one "Coho Salmon on the Fly" course this fall (this Saturday, Oct 17th), as my work schedule is a bit too demanding these days...
Hope to see a few of you there!
Cheers,
Todd
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I was there last weekend also saw alot of fish in there mostly chum saw a couple spring carcasses but not a whole lot of fish. all of the ones i did see were definitely ready to spawn saw a couple chromers pulled up but as usual they we snagged as i see so many people doing on the stave. i was fishing roe on a light float and saw good results but no lovely does at all, all bucks :'(
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good report CNB thanks.
maybe see ya there soon
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Was there on Thanksgiving Monday, very busy. Brought home one chum for the smoker, caught using a jig floating only a couple feet down. Didn't see anything else but chum brought in. I thought the smaller fish I saw jump were Coho, but was told that those were pinks (the guy who told me works for fisheries) He also said it was still early for the Coho, should be more in the next few weeks.
Was a little dissappointed to see people snagging fish out of the spawning channel. ???
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Was there on Thanksgiving Monday, very busy. Brought home one chum for the smoker, caught using a jig floating only a couple feet down. Didn't see anything else but chum brought in. I thought the smaller fish I saw jump were Coho, but was told that those were pinks (the guy who told me works for fisheries) He also said it was still early for the Coho, should be more in the next few weeks.
Was a little dissappointed to see people snagging fish out of the spawning channel. ???
I also saw what I thought were coho last weekend, few of them jumping and they were really bright. Going to give it a try tommorow :)
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Regarding the spawning channel issue that has appeared here many times, we had a brief discussion over this at the sportfishing advisory committee meeting last night. The spawning channel was not a DFO project, but a BC Hydro project so my understanding from the discussion is that the closure could not be implemented by DFO. That being said, the resource manager will take a look at it this weekend and perhaps get something going with BC Hydro. If we are suggesting that fishing for salmon on spawning ground should be illegal, then the entire Stave River or any tributaries should be closed. However, in this case, since the "spawning channel" is only so narrow and so shallow, it makes sense to implement a closure so there is actually a refuge in the system where fish can spawn peacefully. I will update if there is any development.
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Regarding the spawning channel issue that has appeared here many times, we had a brief discussion over this at the sportfishing advisory committee meeting last night. The spawning channel was not a DFO project, but a BC Hydro project so my understanding from the discussion is that the closure could not be implemented by DFO. That being said, the resource manager will take a look at it this weekend and perhaps get something going with BC Hydro. If we are suggesting that fishing for salmon on spawning ground should be illegal, then the entire Stave River or any tributaries should be closed. However, in this case, since the "spawning channel" is only so narrow and so shallow, it makes sense to implement a closure so there is actually a refuge in the system where fish can spawn peacefully. I will update if there is any development.
hmm true...i was up this Monday and soo many people were trying to haul fish from that channel...
kind of looked like a sad attempt @ fishing...might as well get a net.
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awesome work bringing the channel issue up
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hmm true...i was up this Monday and soo many people were trying to haul fish from that channel...
kind of looked like a sad attempt @ fishing...might as well get a net.
Your freakin kidding me! ummm... why am I so surprised? ::) When I was out there on tuesday NO ONE fished the channel. Just looking at it, I assumed that it was off limits. They're right there dropping eggs, I sat and watched for a bit, it was like live Discovery Channel.
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Your freakin kidding me! ummm... why am I so surprised? ::) When I was out there on tuesday NO ONE fished the channel. Just looking at it, I assumed that it was off limits. They're right there dropping eggs, I sat and watched for a bit, it was like live Discovery Channel.
haha...i wasn't that surprised...everyone wants to take the water route.."easiest way around"...
Hopefully going to go back up there soon and try and land something without it snapping my line...
haha and yea...it is like watching the discovery channel
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Your freakin kidding me! ummm... why am I so surprised? ::) When I was out there on tuesday NO ONE fished the channel. Just looking at it, I assumed that it was off limits. They're right there dropping eggs, I sat and watched for a bit, it was like live Discovery Channel.
Tuesday must have been a slow day - I was there today checking things out, and the channel was nearly shoulder to shoulder :-\
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Tuesday must have been a slow day - I was there today checking things out, and the channel was nearly shoulder to shoulder :-\
So sad, I just don't get it. ???
Hey what was the water level like? Getting any deeper or about the same? I may go out there tomorrow but would try a different spot if the waters up.
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Well, it was my first time there so I can't really say what the water level was like. Sorry!
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stave's water level is depend on tide. Better check tide before you going there.
I saw people cut live female chum's belly and taking only eggs, throwing back to water.............so sad...
I couldnt say anything cuz as you know... they are holding a knife... :'(
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I dropped by the Stave this afternoon. First time that I have ever visited a river being "actively" fished. Seemed to me that there were a lot of people there. Some gear, some fly. Only there for about 10 mins. and saw just one tangle. A fly guy caught a gear guy, on the backcast. No yelling or screaming. Saw a couple of coloured fish brought in. As I was leaving, there was one family pulling the a carcass out of the river.
From what I have heard, seemed like a normal saturday. :-\
Min
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I don't know how people manage to fly fish shoulder to shoulder with gear fishermen. The two styles do appear to mix well and that back cast must be really hazardous.
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Brought the nephews down for a couple of hours today. Fished the west side near the trailer park...what a zoo! At one point, counted 63 people fishing, not including the jet boaters!
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The water level can change quickly at Stave because of the dam, they can change the flow at any time.
Last weekend I set my gear down about 10 feet back from the water and waded in a little, I didn't notice the water level change until I turned around and saw that my jacket and tackle box were in the water. Lesson learned.
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.... Wish I weren't working this saturday I'd take your course.
hookmeup; by popular request - I will be holding a final presentation of my "Coho on the Fly" seminar, which will be held on Saturday, November 14th. Please contact Hatch Match'r Fly & tackle if you are interested in attending, as seating is limited for this final course.
Hope to see you there!
Cheers,
Todd
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The water level can change quickly at Stave because of the dam, they can change the flow at any time.
Last weekend I set my gear down about 10 feet back from the water and waded in a little, I didn't notice the water level change until I turned around and saw that my jacket and tackle box were in the water. Lesson learned.
I guess it could be the combination of the dam or the tide. When I was there yesterday the water rose at least a foot in one hour and it was clear the water direction along the shore was opposite to the water direction further out.
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just wondering if anybody out there knows if the bulk of the chum run is over or still coming? i have been fishing the mouth of the stave on either side of the bridges the past 2 weekends. so far only 1 coho caught.
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How did you catch your coho, spoon?
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hi jace, i caught it with a kitimat spoon green/blue and silver, casting by the log booms at the mouth
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just wondering if anybody out there knows if the bulk of the chum run is over or still coming? i have been fishing the mouth of the stave on either side of the bridges the past 2 weekends. so far only 1 coho caught.
All I know, is I was still fishing for them into November. The vast majority were in very poor shape but they had pretty well flooded the system - much like the pinks in the Vedder.
Even if the bulk of the run is over there should still be more of them coming over the next two weeks or so.
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Nicest chum I caught in the Stave last year was in November (still had lice on it). Based on what's around now I think there's still lots of time left.
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Was at least as crowded as Ive ever seen it, cars parked all over the place.
Funny, not one person fishing in the spawning channle all day.
had a heyday drifting jigs for chum, some clean ones around.
saw a beaut coho from the bowl on a fly
found coho jacks in a few spots but tide dependant.taste great though
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I went out yesterday for the first time this year. There were lots of fish flopping around and many of them looked quite fresh. Doesn't seem to be as many around "yet" as last year, however, I found the peak last year to be around the 25th of October. Hoping it gets better and better in the next few days.
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Got a female there last weekend, still had sea lice
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Until the chum season over at stave , district of mission will get lots of donations from anglers 8)
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We caught some really fresh chum at the Stave on Monday.
The first part of the day (rising tide) was all old fish, but once the tide turned and after the current slowed the fresh fish started to show. We caught 6 fish in a row that were green with white bellies - kept 2 does for the smoker.
Peach over Chartreuse jig (short floated) was like crack to the fresh chum - they absolutely attacked it.
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Further to FN0551, effective immediately, that portion of the Stave River,
known as the Ruskin Spawning Channel on the east bank of the BC Hydro park from
the inlet near the dam, downstream to the boat ramp crossing is closed to
salmon fishing until further notice.
I have been turning left off the highway at the gas station and going up the road about 2k and cars are parked there and we stop and go down the trail to the river.
is that the portion that is closed?
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The area you mentioned is still open jace, this refers to the spawning channel on the east side
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Oh thanks.
that makes me happy ;D
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that is cool, nice work
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Searay85.......I've been fishing the local rivers here for 15 years and most of the rivers on the north side of the Fraser get a slighlty later run of Coho.Usually can pickup chrome fish right into late November.Unfortunately the chums are just starting and still have weeks to go yet.I've caught fresh Coho in the first week of January on the Chehalis!
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Can anyone please take some nice pictures of the stave including fish from your recent experiences because I recently moved to Prince George and I want to come back to fish in a few weekends and I miss seeing the river. Thanks for everything
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Category(s): RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject: FN0845-RECREATIONAL - SALMON: Region 2 Stave River
Further to FN0551, effective immediately, that portion of the Stave River,
known as the Ruskin Spawning Channel on the east bank of the BC Hydro park from
the inlet near the dam, downstream to the boat ramp crossing is closed to
salmon fishing until further notice.
This action has been reviewed and is supported by the local Sport Fish Advisory
Committee.
For more information contact the Mission DFO office at 604-814-1055.
Variation order 2009-412.
I would make me sick to see people fish it, It is about time they made it illegal.
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Hey this is just great they closed the spawning channel. Hopefully they post signs there because many anglers seem to have a hard time understanding or simply ignore the regs.
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It is awsome to see some progress in regards to the spawning channel, but am I correct in thinking they left the east side of the boat launch open? Without sounding too much like a whiner, is it not possible to close the whole thing?
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I agree. Upstream of the boat launch is still open. It's not like the fish stop at the launch bridge and the water is only a foot deep up there.
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Finally. This has been pretty sad to watch over the last couple of weeks. I've witnessed people fishing the channel on the weekend when lot's of people are around and it's hard to find water. For the most part I think it's just a lack of education. Most that I have seen in the channel seem to be newbie fishermen/women. I don't think many of them know any better.
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so the area downstream of the concrete boat launch/bridge is open still ?? I think it would be wise if they closed that entire back channel thingy because the fish are sitting ducks back there.
KevinR - i know what your talking about with getting chrome fish that late on the Chehalis. i have gotten chrome ones in February on that river before :o not many but they were still around.
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Looking at the river from the gate the area to the right of the launch bridge is closed (I believe this is downstream).
The area to the left of the launch bridge is open.
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typhoon if you facing the river the area to the right would be upstream and is the closed area.
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People, if you are looking upstream, water is flowing toward you. If you are looking downstream, water is flowing away from you. ;)
And water doesn't always flow from north to south or east to west as someone suggested in my fluvial hydrology class once.
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typhoon if you facing the river the area to the right would be upstream and is the closed area.
The water flows from the bridge (upriver) towards the dam joining the channel from the base of the dam before dumping into the toilet bowl.
If you define water direction as from dam to Fraser then the right of the bridge is upstream. If you are looking at the water flowing in the channel it is downstream.
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who wouldnt define the Stave as running from the dam downstream to the Fraser ?? :-\ and you did say if your facing the toilet bowl. only way you can face it and have left or right directions is if your standing on the concrete boat launch. water only flows in one direction in a river and thats down hill. ::) LOL
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Just so new anglers are clear on where the closed area is without getting lost with the upstream/downstream business (because I'm already lost after the last couple of posts), here is a map that outlines the closed area (highlighted by the red shade).
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/stave-map.jpg)
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saw CO putting boundary sign at spawning channel today ;D
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all i tried to ask is WHY they dont just close the entire back channel ? would that not just make it easier rather then having the top closed and bottom not ::)
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saw the signs today, nice work
had fun with some chum on the jig, though slowest day this week.still did better than the bouncers or the float long leader rippers, thanks jigs!
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Does it matter what color of jig ? thinking of going this weekend .
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sometimes one color will outperform by far, usually though i am always mixing it up and moving around the same as if i am after coho.Always changing lures etc.
big rain tomorrow so the weekend should have lots of fresh fish.
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Oddjob you cant go wrong with a pink/purple jig ;D
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Just so new anglers are clear on where the closed area is without getting lost with the upstream/downstream business (because I'm already lost after the last couple of posts), here is a map that outlines the closed area (highlighted by the red shade).
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/stave-map.jpg)
So that's where the water flows back up to the Dam?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D thats hilarious Troutbreath ;D
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So that's where the water flows back up to the Dam?
Apparently. ;)
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sometimes one color will outperform by far, usually though i am always mixing it up and moving around the same as if i am after coho.Always changing lures etc.
big rain tomorrow so the weekend should have lots of fresh fish.
were u fishing with home made jigs and CP setup? If u were, then i was fishing right beside u today . :) Lost two jigs today. One thing i found interesting was, I could still get some pretty good hits just floating the jig on still water~
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We seined the toilet bowl today for coho brood stock and I did not see anyone fishing the channel. Maybe because we had DFO trucks and they thought we were COs!! :D
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were u fishing with home made jigs and CP setup? If u were, then i was fishing right beside u today . :) Lost two jigs today. One thing i found interesting was, I could still get some pretty good hits just floating the jig on still water~
no I left the pin at home for the Stave chumlys.Ive used my 8' convergeance and lowpro level.
incoming tide was ok but had to move constantly to find flow.later in the day my bud showed up and I put him into jigs, he got lots and I had so many damn chum it was retarded, I would have stopped sooner but people kept wanting to stand on my shoulders to fish ( solution = constant birdsnests and float hanging way downstream got rid of them) and it was fun watching the longliners not get much as well. swear i lost a couple chromers too
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does roe work well on the stave? or are jigs a better bet.
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does roe work well on the stave? or are jigs a better bet.
jigs will work just as good...plus you dont have to rebait, which saves alot of time
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what time do the gates open at the parking lot by the dam?
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Gates open 9 but you can park up on the road if you want to start earlier
Don't forget blades, they work well too
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or you can fish the west side, no gates.incoming tide all morning, look for decent flow and toss a jig under a float, then hang on
Hatchmacher has Bent Rods jigs
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....... then hang on.....
Yeah.... some of those chum can work your arms and back. Must have pulled a back ligament last trip.... I'm out of action this weekend :-[ .
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is it a gong show now at this time of year?
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very much so!
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we were at the stave today and thats the most fun I have had with my clothes on ever!!Too bad its almost over ,we fished pinks and now chums,what a fight these beasts are,go a couple for the smoker ;D
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Glad to hear you had fun. Chum salmon will be around for some time to come.
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these brutes totally smashed the pink/purple jigs i offered yesterday, landed countless of them. made the long leader-bbcers wonder how could a 12-inches leader worked better than their long lines!~~ ;D ;D
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nice work, will be back at it tomorrow myself, need coho too though
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was there today and almost lost it with the decency of some of the anglers...
I snap my line and they just sneak into where im fishing...literally a foot beside me and keep casting even when i do get my hooks wet...
kinda went over the edge and nearly hooked a guys face though..
oh and lots of people snagging and bonking...argh
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I seen some guys taking fish that were black :Pmine had nice white bottoms and were firm Im new to salmon fishing(dwney coho in the past and fraser river bar fishing)and I'm loving it ;DI'm still smiling
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I seen some guys taking fish that were black :Pmine had nice white bottoms and were firm Im new to salmon fishing(dwney coho in the past and fraser river bar fishing)and I'm loving it ;DI'm still smiling
lots of people take them for roe, steelhead season is coming up.
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i like to use jigs on that river but its hard when everone is bottom bouncing, maybe i will try the westside.
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was there today and almost lost it with the decency of some of the anglers...
I snap my line and they just sneak into where im fishing...literally a foot beside me and keep casting even when i do get my hooks wet...
kinda went over the edge and nearly hooked a guys face though..
oh and lots of people snagging and bonking...argh
Hah, I always warn people that come too close that I'll probably hook them on my casts. I try to be nice about it too.
It is frustrating to see snagging, but hey I was too slow to set my hook a couple times, and actually snagged the top fin of a fish beside the one that took my hook!
The joys of float fishing.
I had a couple fish take my line for 80-90 yards before they broke off my 10 lbs leaders. I need more finesse.
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Checked this river for the first time today and had a blast in the couple of hours I was there. Must be crazy at the weekend as the car park was full at 2pm on a Monday. Have never had much luck with with the jig under a float before but those chums just hammer it! Only managed to get one chum doe to the shore, mainly due to the sticky drag on my reel. Had one fresh 15 + chum that was a madman. Played it for 25 minutes and, every time I thought it was done it would make another crazy run with several leaps. Eventually I was sure it was done, pretty much belly up, so put the rod down and went to grab the leader and unhook it. Off it went taking my jig with it. The fresher ones definitely deserve a bit more respect! Put on a small pink / silver fly and hooked a Coho first cast a long way out. Lost it on the second roll. For the next hour I kept connecting with fish and losing them immediately to my frustration. As I was putting my gear away I realized that the point of the hook was snapped clean off. What a newb!
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"As I was putting my gear away I realized that the point of the hook was snapped clean off. What a newb!"...Classic... done it myself;D ;D ;D
Glad you had a good day and you had your way with the fish today.
-Steve
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Just so new anglers are clear on where the closed area is without getting lost with the upstream/downstream business (because I'm already lost after the last couple of posts), here is a map that outlines the closed area (highlighted by the red shade).
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/stave-map.jpg)
Which part of Stave is where people refer to as the "toilet bowl"?
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Which part of Stave is where people refer to as the "toilet bowl"?
The portion right in front of the Boat Launch (bottom right in the picture) - cause the water goes round and round and ... :)
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how much longer can we fish for chum either at the stave or elsewhere they are such a fun fish,Im sorry just cant stop smiling ;D
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into a ton of chum and 2 dancing coho that didn't want to come shake hands yesterday up near the dam.... the producer was a black jig with a pink wool scarf tied around it - once I put that on, I had hookups EVERY cast for a half hour before we left - you're right, FUN FISH!
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Got two massive does today very quickly, plus got to kill 20 or so at the hatchery later what fun that is lol
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yeah buit I have no fishing partner for two :'( weeks how much longer do we have
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how far up do the boats go?
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Got two massive does today very quickly, plus got to kill 20 or so at the hatchery later what fun that is lol
I helped kill 20 coho today too! You wouldnt happen to know a rob?
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I was at Keeps, though im doing stuff for Arms as well ( fish counts) we did egg takes today
Ive seen boats right up to the dam
hard to say how much longer for fresh coho n chum, seems to me less and later every year esp coho
few weeks maybe though some fish much longer for coho
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Oh ok I was at Inch, were you sampling coho?
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So I've been reading quite a bit and understand that there are some coho @ the mouth...
I've talked to some anglers up there and said that Coho come up alot later
So when taking that into consideration...the Coho run really isn't over yet is it?
Haven't caught one yet...
I know I know... I've been hitting pinks and Chum all year..But i want to try and land at least one of everything..haha
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Plenty of time for coho still
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I got a nice one Friday mid-river on a Croc spoon - 9.5 lb hatchery doe. My first coho in 3 years.
My buddy Bill also took home a chum doe that still had sea lice. Not as clean as some posted from today but still a decent fish.
We also caught at least 10 more Chum in 4 hours on spoons, flies, and jigs. Best time was rising tide 1.5 hours after low.
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Typhoon/9_5hatch.jpg)
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So sad....
I went there to look around today, at 1:00PM. Ton's of people, shoulder to shoulder. Lots of rolling fish, several hookups. Most released. One was kicked back... It wasn't punted though, more like a "nudge" kick. I didn't do any fishing, just watching.
The really sad part was that there were shoulder-to-shoulder people at the spawning channel at the east side (as marked by Rodney's map)!
People did not know, or more likely, they ignored the new regulation. I could see the white triangle boundary markers, but it was meaningless! I forgot my cell phone. I didn't call it in. BUT, fisheries people should have been there. Come on, it was the first nice weekend since the regulation change.
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If the fisheries people went to stave they would nail alot of people.
Every time i go there, there is people fishing the spawning channel and outside the boundary.
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I was out there yesterday with friends fishing jigs well above the bottom - no more than three feet down and noticed a significant slowdown in the number of bites I was getting compared to last week. Tried everything from spoons to different color wools and find I could still get the odd bite on the usual purple jig - in the end I managed to hook up and land 1 male chum. I was teaching my friend the short floating techniques I learnt on this site explaining why it is important to keep the jig off the bottom.
In the end I had to explain why the people around us were getting so many "bites" while we were not - its frustrating because I can't pretend to be a very experienced fisherman. I can only hope my friend got the picture when she saw how many were being hauled in side on or tail first. Unfortunately new fishermen heading down to the Stave are very likely to think this is the way to catch them - can't blame them entirely.
Anyway, this debate about the Stave is likely to go on and on until there is proper enforcement :(
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I was out there yesterday with friends fishing jigs well above the bottom - no more than three feet down and noticed a significant slowdown in the number of bites I was getting compared to last week. Tried everything from spoons to different color wools and find I could still get the odd bite on the usual purple jig - in the end I managed to hook up and land 1 male chum. I was teaching my friend the short floating techniques I learnt on this site explaining why it is important to keep the jig off the bottom.
In the end I had to explain why the people around us were getting so many "bites" while we were not - its frustrating because I can't pretend to be a very experienced fisherman. I can only hope my friend got the picture when she saw how many were being hauled in side on or tail first. Unfortunately new fishermen heading down to the Stave are very likely to think this is the way to catch them - can't blame them entirely.
Anyway, this debate about the Stave is likely to go on and on until there is proper enforcement :(
yep....very true...the Stave sports some un-classy "fisherman"
I hope to get out there this weekend if the weather allows me too.
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Checked it out last Saturday. It's worth visiting once a year to watch the show. Some, not really dressed for fishing, killing huge Chum for what? Must be fertilizer.
Nobody in their right mind would eat fish in that condition. Some looking miserable with broken baby spinning rods. A few trying to fish properly away from the crowd. Quite a few skeletons with head and tail on laying around. Someone does a nice fillet job. On the way out 3 guys with all the best equipment, carrying bags of roe,but no fish. Someone should have a hot dog/tackle stand in the parking lot.
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Checked it out last Saturday. It's worth visiting once a year to watch the show. Some, not really dressed for fishing, killing huge Chum for what? Must be fertilizer.
Nobody in their right mind would eat fish in that condition. Some looking miserable with broken baby spinning rods. A few trying to fish properly away from the crowd. Quite a few skeletons with head and tail on laying around. Someone does a nice fillet job. On the way out 3 guys with all the best equipment, carrying bags of roe,but no fish. Someone should have a hot dog/tackle stand in the parking lot.
Those guys were probably fishing and not snagging. Lol.
I too wondered about a guy there with a bag of skeins. I automatically thought he was ripping roe out of the fish >:( I then saw some guy chuck freshly gutted roe in the water(long leader and wool "fishermen" ). So I picked it up, put it in a bag and off I went :).What I'm getting at is that guys with the roe might have done the same thing I did. I think you're allowed 1 kg of roe in your possession, correct me if I'm wrong?
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i know lots of guys just go there to ask guys for their roe. and get tons of it.
and yes your correct that your only "supposed" tp have 1kg of roe on your person at a time. I have gotten more roe then that from one fish though so i dont really see how they can enforce that and not sure if they even bother.
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Read the regulations properly.
you must not have more than 1 kg of roe (fish eggs) in your possession for use as bait unless the roe was obtained from a commercial source that lawfully obtained that roe, or you have in your possession the freshly dressed fish from which the roe in excess of 1 kg was taken.
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Went up to the dam for a couple hours yesterday with a friend - sent him home witn a pretty silver doe and a so-so male for his smoker. Released 6 or 7, including one that didn't know he was already dead for a week! The usual dark jig and one that was light purple over pink - both did well (short float - 12" leader and max 18" to the float from the swivel - lead to NO snagged fish) :) . Hit one that was either a coho or very fresh chum but didn't get it quite close enough to tell for sure....
It got pretty crowded around 10ish for a while - the nasty weather that rolled in did a good job of clearing out some of that!
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Interesting. Does anybody know if the Stave is affected by tides?
I have been going up there quite a lot and noticed a definite slowdown last weekend. It seems from the fish being "caught" that there were many fish in good enough condition to be active but very few biting . I must have been at it for about four hours and only got about four dips of the float compared to about 10 times that activity the week before.
One thing I noticed that day is the tide was going out quite fast and I know that can be detrimental to fishing on the Fraser, is this also true on the Stave? [Unfortunately I have little choice over timing - always get their very early to get some uncrowded fishing in for the first hour or so].
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Based on average CPUE of Albion test fishery, the Lower Fraser chum salmon run typically peaks between October 20th and 25th, so yes the Stave River chum salmon fishery is tapering off.
The tide indeed has a huge influence on the Stave River system.
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Does anybody know if the Stave is affected by tides?
It is very much affected by the tide. There is a several hour offset from that at New West. And it too has better fishing a couple of hours into the incoming tide.
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Just a thought for next year, and not just on the Stave...
Travel Mug.
The beer cans get collected more often than not but the amount of disposable coffee cups I saw on Monday when i walked the west side up and down was staggering and so avoidable. Thanks.
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Just a thought for next year, and not just on the Stave...
Travel Mug.
The beer cans get collected more often than not but the amount of disposable coffee cups I saw on Monday when i walked the west side up and down was staggering and so avoidable. Thanks.
I concur - I brought back 12 or 15 tims cups yesterday from just the area I was fishing, didn't have to look far!!
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Caught about 10 chummies today on my new baitcaster to break it in 1 was probably 25 pounds and fought like @#$%^&&* LOL ended up keeping the cleanest one ive seen there yet its currently in brine to be made into candy ;D i also checked out nicomen but wasnt lucky.There was a chopper buzzing around the stave today for some reason...
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that chopper has been there every one of my 4 trips this year - and buzz you they do! I assume some kind of authority?? Spends a lot of time over the spawning channel.... Makes you feel like you're on the set of M*A*S*H*
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I would think it is some kind of govt authority being that they fly so low.
I think they are filming also as it looks like some kind of camera setup on one side of the chopper.
I was fishing there on Saturday and some guy on a jet boat made a run along the shore with a video camera in his hand.
Probably wanted to have his customers take home a video of the 'suckers' fishing from shore.
I think the suckers are the guys paying hundreds of dollars for something you can do from shore for free.
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I would think it is some kind of govt authority being that they fly so low.
I think they are filming also as it looks like some kind of camera setup on one side of the chopper.
I was fishing there on Saturday and some guy on a jet boat made a run along the shore with a video camera in his hand.
Probably wanted to have his customers take home a video of the 'suckers' fishing from shore.
I think the suckers are the guys paying hundreds of dollars for something you can do from shore for free.
So true but there is something to be said for uncrowded fishing :)
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couple hundred bucks to go out on the boat is worth every pennie, the fishing is the bonus of the day.
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Fished the Stave last weekend...still had good numbers around and quite a few clean fish. Was wondering.... now that the peak part of the season has past what it would be like this weekend? Anyone out yesterday?
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It was decent about 4 days ago....
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Is there a winter Steelhead season on the Stave? any idea when it starts?
Thanks
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went to the stave today and it definatly has slowed down from past weeks but i did end up catching my cleanest chum of the year today
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Is there a winter Steelhead season on the Stave? any idea when it starts?
Thanks
yea there is, good luck though :D very small numbers from what I know.
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nothing but...
(http://www.twilightcreationsinc.com/images/zombies7cover.jpg)
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Fished it this morning, it was very slow. I did manage to hook up a decent looking chum but it got off pretty quick. And if you can believe it, a spawned out fur coat chum took a wooly bugger.
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Back when I lived down that way, I found the Stave peaked for Coho around the last week of October. Kicked but on the fly (olive wooly buggers) but also hit fish on spinners and such to change things up. Would hit a few clean fish up until late December if you know where to look.
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What pound test leader do you guys usually use for the Stave?
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New to fishing in BC and did the Stave a few weeks back and numbers were high - Tried last week but was quite busy so left.
How was today?
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All dark or dead Chum form me today
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Sunday the fishing was good...not crowded....released a dozen zombies searching for one for the smoker...couple guys showed up around 10am when I was packing it in and nailed a large doe that was as good as it gets for Chum...nicest one I've ever seen in the Stave...they wanted the roe so I struck out there as well.
All in all a nice morning even with the downpour...my last trip to the Stave for this year.
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I was hanging out looking to vulture roe off a group of Chinese fishermen. They were explaining how they make fish cakes from the fish and any reasonable fish is fine as they, from what I understood, puree the fish and add wine and something (language barrier) to give it consistency. They were very friendly and gave me the roe from their doe. They were bottom bouncing, but they were releasing everything they snagged outside of the mouth.
Hearing an explanation why these degraded fish were retained was interesting. Thumbs up to them for releasing all the snagged fish.
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Interesting Matt...least you got the roe.
I forgot to mention I was also teased by a nice spring that showed itself twice but was not interseted in jigs, blades or roe.
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Got some roe AND some cultural perspective. It seems decidedly less "beaky" now, knowing that the fish is as useful for their cuisine when its chrome or tiger-striped.
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Was there today too, was fishing roe for the first few hours with no success so switched over to the Jigs landed one big fresher (in the general scheme of things) chum that took a couple of great runs and some real boots too. Wasn't the greatest of days. Don't think I'll go back this year.
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I finished my stave/chum trips today too... nothing exciting to report - couple of boots and one that I think might have been a velvet Elvis!
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Went out today, saw one hatchery jack coho caught but only chums for me. Last trip of the year for me. Can't wait for STEELHEAD! ;D
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Looks like theres not alot left in the system, i look forward to targeting those steelies released into the stave 3 years from now =)