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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Truecast on October 04, 2005, 12:47:01 PM
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Got off the Lickman road exit at about 06:15 , and after a quick stop at Tim Ho's I was at the river
before first light. Thought it would be quiet being a Tuesday but decided to walk down river
anyways before the sun came up. To my surprise there were five of us there before any of us got
a line in the water.
Had a couple of early strikes but nothing major. Lots of big Springs moving up but I was hoping for
a Jack or two. Within an hour the River was packed and I spent the next couple of hours fishing and
hiking around looking for a quiet spot (more hiking than fishing :().
There were dozens of guys fishing and 95% of them were snagging , some of them took their
floats off after a while >:(. I don't know if I'll ever go back up there. A weekday ,at first light I
would have expected a better class of fishermen. Maybe I'll look somewhere else next time. Any
way I'd like to here how anyone else did , I'm still waiting for my first Spring or Coho of the season.
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wow that busy on a week day doesn't anyone work anymore ;)
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Did you hike down from lickman road? i was thinking of doing that this weekend.
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i am heading out tomorow morning , where is lickman road ? and yes i have a job , but i get odd days off .
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Luke showed up at my place at 4:45am and we were ready to roll. Today was the last chance for my dad to get into some fish before he heads back to Taiwan. We arrived at Whatcom Road exit's Tim Hortons around 6am, itosh was already waiting with his double double. ;D Apparently he had been there for 20 minutes, must have thought today would be the day. ;)
Several people were already at the first spot where we decided to fish before dawn. We settled in at this lovely tailout where I thought some coho maybe holding. The first 30 minutes only saw itosh battling a pretty nice chinook salmon, which he released. Not long after, Luke quickly lost a fish seconds after hookup. A few casts later he was into a wild coho, which he released immediately after I reminded him to check the adipose fin. :P
Some fish were finning, very close to the bank, I was very sure they were coho. Not long after I told itosh that "I don't feel it...", my float took a quick dive at the end of a drift. I casually set the hook. ::) The rod started to kick a few times. This fish wasn't fighting that much, so I thought it may have been a pink salmon. Well, not a pink after all, or a spring jack, but a hatchery coho around 4lb. :)
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/051004_1.jpg)
Once the sun emerged, we decided to visit another spot where some fish may bite in the faster water. Luke and I ended up hooking a chinook jack each, which we both kept. Itosh also lost a chinook jack.
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/051004_2.jpg)
Unfortunately my dad was not so lucky again today, the float did not dive. :-\
Lovely day anyways. The rain is coming, the river may blow again.
Few things to remember
- You need a freshwater fishing licence when fishing the Chilliwack River.
- You need to purchase a salmon conservation stamp if you intend to keep your salmon.
- Daily quota for pink salmon is four fish below the Vedder Crossing in Chilliwack River.
- Daily quota for hatchery coho salmon is four fish in Chilliwack River. Hatchery coho salmon have no adipose fin.
- Daily quota for chum salmon is one fish in Chilliwack River.
- Daily quota for chinook salmon is four fish in Chilliwack River, but only one maybe over 62cm.
- You may only keep four salmon (mixed species) in total per day.
- Only a single barbless hook is allowed.
- You must release any sockeye and wild coho carefully.
- Pink salmon have large oval spots on their back and tail. Sockeye salmon do not have spots. Chinook salmon have tiny black spots on its back and tail. Coho salmon have tiny black spots on its back and upper tail, and white gum.
- Please note that some sockeye salmon in the Chilliwack River also do not have an adipose fin.
- Complete Chilliwack River salmon regulations can be found on this page (http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/recfish/Freshwater/region2_e.htm).
- Please phone DFO Chilliwack 604-702-2278 if you observe a violation.
- Make sure you have a good fillet knife to clean your catch and a cooler with ice to keep your it fresh.
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nice fish , sounds like a good day , but with the rain coming for the next 4 days . I will have to wait until next week to try my luck .
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Rodney do you ever not catch a coho when you go out? ;D
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Hi Rodney, could you please kindly tell me where you usually fishing coho ?
Best and best regards
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nice fish. im wondering if I will even get a coho this year :(
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nice job rod
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Floater, when I fish the Vedder, I am specifically targeting coho, so most of the time if I get a fish or two, they are either coho or spring jacks.
Bruce, I fish for coho anywhere along the river really. There isn't one specific location that is good for them, as the fish are constantly moving. The last five coho I caught this season so far, have all been from different locations. I would pay more attention to fishing the right type of water etc. Most of my fishing is done below the Vedder Crossing bridge, occasionally I'll fish the section between the crossing and Tamahi. I rarely venture above Tamahi, as I prefer to look for freshly arrived fish from the Fraser River.
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Rodney do you ever not catch a coho when you go out? ;D
Rodney only post when he catches something ;D
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nice fish Rod ,sounds like another good day.
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Thanks rodney and birdman, I will give it a try
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It doesn't matter where you fish the fish in Rodney's spot will have moved up into another spot by now.Iin high water find the runs where the fish are moving. And in low water find where the fish are holding. Good spots in conditions like now are places where there are nice resting pockets in the middle of deep fast runs. Another tip is to try and find the holes where there are no chinook holding as that will spook coho.
Its nice to see that you are learning. Good job buddy.
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I hiked down first , then up after a couple of hours , and still didn't see all I wanted to. There's an easy access trail by foot, but you have to choose where you go down when the waters running pretty good. I got stuck at a few places where i didn't want to risk toppling over and getting my gadgets wet :D
Rod was right when he told me you really need to spend a few days exploring, and even then there are more spots to find and the river is always changing.
On second thought, I'll most likely go back ;)
I also found that there's lots of different access points from different roads. There easy enough to find if you take the time.
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Oh I almost forgot, Nice fish Rod. I am envious :)
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One more thing rod? your hooks dont look like they got roe on them but wool. Did you get that coho on wool?
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Looks like a spawn sac to me
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Looks like roe bag... and if it is, there are different colors of netting, kinds of roe, cures and so on...
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Yah the different colours threw me off.
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i was there today the river seemed alot lower then i expected near the vedder crossing? my favorite little pool just above the crossing doesnt seem to be fishable this year too :'(
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Roe, wool... Maybe I'll leave that unanswered. ;) A good mystery is worth staying up late for. ;D
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Went out today with my buddy Dan. Fished lower river and was briefly into 2 fish but it got off within seconds.
Nothing much happening at the canal. Nice water level and clarity but no fish though!!
Drove to another spot and saw Rod and his dad leaving around 9:00 a.m in the morning(probably to another location). I was hoping to fish this area but they were too many guys fishing it already.
Drove and fished above the KWB but not much happening either. Saw a couple of springs.
My Bare breathable started to leak heavily after that and I had water up to my butt. Frozed my butt off and I could hardly walk after that. Drove to Hubs and bought a new pair from Roger. Thanks Roger for the great price.
Will try again maybe on Thrusday.
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Great post you guys....tons of good advice and some nice fish pics to boot! Ive never tried fishing with roe and float, reading posts like this make it sound like alot of fun.
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My advice is instead of asking Rod where to fish and what he's using is to experiment and to explore. You can catch coho on various different things, spoons,spinners,flies,roe bags,water hardened eggs, gooey bobs, Jensen's, etc... Allot of the time its just being at the right place at the right time. Of course their is skill involved but that comes with time. Don't be too impatient and try various techniques and bait.
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although its not so important but fishing at first light can increase your chances of hooking into fish.....but you gotta get up around 4:00am. if daytime doesn't work anyways. more rain coming so holding spots on the river are gonna change again. Just great" "!!
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is the water low?
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Roe, wool... Maybe I'll leave that unanswered. ;) A good mystery is worth staying up late for. ;D
Come on now i understand not telling people where you fish, but what you caught it on thats just immature. :P
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Part of the fun in fishing is figuring stuff out for yourself 8)
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Roe, wool... Maybe I'll leave that unanswered. ;) A good mystery is worth staying up late for. ;D
Come on now i understand not telling people where you fish, but what you caught it on thats just immature. :P
Actually I think its good he doesnt say. It will make you learn and use different techniques. Plus you will feel better once you land a fish on something that you thought of instead of something someone told you.
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Having a sense of humour is immature? :o Oh wait, people should learn on their own? Someone needs to stop being indecisive lol...
Members of this forum should know by now that I would pretty much spill out everything except where exactly I am fishing whenever I post a report. ::)
The coho was caught on last year's procured chum roe, one of the best batches I've done. So far that batch has pulled out four coho and two chinook salmon.
The chinook jack was caught on a roe bag tied up with this year's pink roe. The roe bag was used because of the fast current where we were fishing to prevent bait from falling off.
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happy floater
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I was out on the lower river as well. Landed a spring and a chum, and lost several other fish, including one that may have been the elusive coho I've been trying to find. Water was surprisingly clear, and the bite seemed to slow down after about 9:00am.
One thought on the discussion above about where to find coho. One thing I've found is if you have a great spot for springs and chum you are not likely to find a coho there. Some times its funny to see a guy catch spring after spring and each time he says "I think its a coho!" and it never is. You kind of have to decicide if you're targeting the elusive coho, or targeting the easier bigger fish. I think with experience you can tell what sort of water each prefer. Unfortunatetely its only my second year on the Vedder and I don't have enough experience. Yet! ;)
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Having a sense of humour is immature? :o Oh wait, people should learn on their own? Someone needs to stop being indecisive lol...
Members of this forum should know by now that I would pretty much spill out everything except where exactly I am fishing whenever I post a report. ::)
The coho was caught on last year's procured chum roe, one of the best batches I've done. So far that batch has pulled out four coho and two chinook salmon.
The chinook jack was caught on a roe bag tied up with this year's pink roe. The roe bag was used because of the fast current where we were fishing to prevent bait from falling off.
Once again i learn something rodney i was thinking how to prevent the bait from falling off in fast current thx for comming through again.
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Part of the fun in fishing is figuring stuff out for yourself 8)
Theres only so much you can figureout by yourself without getting some type of help or ideas from others. Actually thats how you get better at what you with constructive ideas from the outside.:P
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Rodney, congrats on the coho! As for you Floater, your absolutely right about learning so much, however there is no substitute for practice. Being on the river with an observant eye, keeping a journal, reading articles from various circles and asking questions while in the "classroom" (aka river) will teach you much. I don't think Rodney or anyone for that matter has to share the secrets they have developed over the years form their own beats. I have no problem telling someone about water conditions as nobody wants to waste their time, but to tell them everything about fishing ruins the experience and sense of accomplishment. I remember my first coho I caught on the Cap by my lonesome as a 15 year old. It will be a memory I will never forget (thanks Scott Baker-Mcgarva). Don't be afraid to come home to the wife empty handed, go and explore and enjoy every aspect of angling, not just catching the fish. Tight lines!
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Trap sort at Hatchery today -- 1400 Coho + 100 springs.
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but to tell them everything about fishing ruins the experience and sense of accomplishment.
That's a great point. :)
Getting into a fish by figuring it out on your own is the best.
Thanks winter steel.
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yes very nice fish well done .. i was gonna head out this week but i had to work
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Hello Rodney:
This year is my first year fishing for salmon and I just read your last reply ... you were saying "roe bag". Did you buy it or you make it yourself? Is it specifically target on coho? Thank You
Frank Lin
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Bit of success for me today as well... Used the post on how to cure pink roe and have fished a couple of times over the last two weeks, but today was the only real success. Had two pinks suck down berries which was surprising. I switched to a single jensen egg and then caught a nice fat little jack spring of about 5 lbs. Nice chrome fish. Big gob of roe next cast and the float went straight under at the start of the drift. As soon as I tightened on the fish, a very nice silvery spring of at least 15-20 jumped and tore around the pool probably putting everything remaining off the bite. A good battle ensued, and the gear came back at me with the #2 barbless gamakatsu straightened out of shape ::). Oh well.... Couple of times I've had this problem over the years, but I still find them a reliable hook.
Thanks again for the roe recipe....
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sweet fish rod, love those coho.
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you were saying "roe bag". Did you buy it or you make it yourself? Is it specifically target on coho?
Hi Frank, these are roe bags.
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/roebag.jpg)
You can either use a chunk of roe, or single eggs, tied into a bag by using a mesh. All the material are available at any tackle store, just ask the staff.
Roe bags are used to prevent the roe from falling off when fishing in parts of the river that are fairly fast. It is commonly used for coho, chinook and steelhead.
For more information on different coho fishing techniques, please visit this section (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/2004/1104_01.html).
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nice presentation . I also use those , or if you are lazy . you can use tiny bits of wool , trimmed very neat to the shape of an egg and then dab some scent on it every other cast or so . you can change up colors too . but i have found that roe is usually the best choice when using bait . Spoons for other apps. but roe for the veddar/chillwack .
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you were saying "roe bag". Did you buy it or you make it yourself? Is it specifically target on coho?
Hi Frank, these are roe bags.
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/roebag.jpg)
You can either use a chunk of roe, or single eggs, tied into a bag by using a mesh. All the material are available at any tackle store, just ask the staff.
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how do you attach the roe bag to the hook?
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You can do it a couple ways. Using an egg loop or just thread it through close to the knot.
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Here's one for you experienced drift fishers! I prefer to use Gamis. These come in red, black, and silver (nickel). What's your favorite colour choice for these hooks? I see Rod likes the red ones ;).
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Here's one for you experienced drift fishers! I prefer to use Gamis. These come in red, black, and silver (nickel). What's your favorite colour choice for these hooks? I see Rod likes the red ones ;).
I have found the colour of hook really does not matter. Maybe it is because the roe and wool combination I use covers most of it up.
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Dennis, I thread the roe bags through the hook just below where the sac is wrapped with the thread.I will then secure it by lopping it once with the egg loop.
FlyFishin Magician, the colour of Gammy hooks came with in a discussion earlier this year while I was fishing. For coho, it doesn't seem to matter, but for some reason my friends and I have found that black Gammies catch more steelhead than red Gammies.
Those are not Gammy hooks by the way, they are Daiichi. ;)
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Hello Rodney:
Thank you for your roe bag infor. And I have one more question about the leader. I have 12 lb of fishing line and how many lb. of leader do I need and how long should it be? Some people said 8 lb. will do some people said higher.... what is your suggestion?
Thanks
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i just thread it through the knot in the sac, then put in thorugh a bait loop knot. works much better than just threading it through ;)
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my thoughts on leader # test , is that you should use the lightest possible , especially when water is clear . With good knots , proper drag settings , and a skilled fisherman you can land a fairly larger fish than you may think on a light 6-8lb leader . it makes it more fun too , since it is more of a skill thing . Rather than just towing a fish out with a 20lb+ leader . But if you are targeting big springs in fast water than yes use a heavier leader 12-15lb maybe . but I may be wrong . each choice has it's ups and downs . a lighter leader can lead to more lost fish , and lost gear . but a heavy leader may result in less fish , but never loosing gear . I personally use a 6 or 8lb leader when targeting coho . but if i feel that i wanna have some fun with a few springs I switch to a 12lb leader . on 15lb main always . and that is Maxima Ultra green line .
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Thank you James
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Just wondering, how long does ONE roe bag last you guys?
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Thanks guys for the input on the hooks (colour). As for roe bags - is there much of a difference between using water hardened single eggs versus procured roe? I imagine so - but I don't really know. Also - if you use single eggs, how many in a roe bag would be appropriate for coho? I'm assuming that the eggs are quite large like in Rod's picture. Those look like chinook or chum eggs to me. Anyway - I also imagine that guys use larger hooks (size 1?) for roe?
My limited experience with the drift set-up is using different coloured wool (peach seems to work well for coho). I primarily used hook sizes in 4 or 2. To be honest - I like the drift set up - especially for fishing the bouldery pocket water which is virtually impossible to fish with a fly...
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What does Rodney mean when he said he used "procured chum roe"? What is procured roe? Iv heard there is also cured roe, whats the difference between cured and procured roe and what exactly are they?
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Just wondering, how long does ONE roe bag last you guys?
Depends how you cure your eggs. Personally I like to change them when they begin losing their colour.
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What does Rodney mean when he said he used "procured chum roe"? What is procured roe? Iv heard there is also cured roe, whats the difference between cured and procured roe and what exactly are they?
Procured chum roe is just chum roe cured with Pro Cure. There are many ways of curing roe eg. borax, borax and jello, salt, etc.
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What exactly is curing roe? Is it Making it tougher so it stays on the hook better?
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What exactly is curing roe? Is it Making it tougher so it stays on the hook better?
Exactly
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Ok thanks for curing that up for me now i know.
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Does procure change colour of roe?
Right now I just use coarse salt.
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Yes, Redd Hot Double Stuff will produce red eggs. The Tillamook Blend will produce reddish orange eggs.
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Would it be the same using red food dye?
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Personally I would use jello before trying food colouring.
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Red Jello?
Strawberry? Would that do?
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I prefer strawberry.
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That's easy then. We always have a pack or two of those strawberry powder at home for kids. Tomorrow I add some to my salted egg roe.