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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: mark on May 10, 2006, 10:05:40 PM

Title: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: mark on May 10, 2006, 10:05:40 PM
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=2255870&lid=today+box
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: THE_ROE_SLINGER on May 11, 2006, 09:56:06 AM
hmmmm, thats interesting
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Gooey on May 11, 2006, 01:09:27 PM
Loves those big game hunters...give him a bow or a knife and then he can really be proud to hang that skin on his wall back at the ranch.  ::)
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: ko on May 11, 2006, 04:37:09 PM
why shoot a bear,especially up north , o yeh sport hunters. meatballs
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: limit time on May 11, 2006, 06:42:37 PM
whats a meatball?
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Fish Assassin on May 11, 2006, 07:21:47 PM
Doesn't sound too complimentary. ;)
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Big Steel on May 11, 2006, 07:35:15 PM
What this, everyone wants to slag the Hunter, and not talk about the Bear?? ???  I thought that the Griz/Polar was the interesting part of the story, but I guess that is not the case!! :-[  It was to bad the bear was shot, BUT, the shooter was on a guided trip that cost him $50,000!! 
  Gooey, you sound pretty tough, why don't you take an 800lb bear down with a bow or a knife ???  Maybe because you can't take one of those down with either!!  If you tried, all you would do is put the bear into more pain, and a blind rage, and you would be dead!!  I don't hunt, I haven't since we went out Rabbit hunting and I couldn't pull the trigger!!  But I do know enough not to bring a sling shot to a gun fight!! 
Why shoot a bear up north??  Because there was an opening, that's why.  Why there would be an opening, I don't know!!  But a smart guy like you could figure it out!! ;)  Besides, if 1 guy payed $50000 for the trip, I could imagine that some communities in the north could really use the money coming in!! :)
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: BigFisher on May 11, 2006, 08:05:38 PM
hmm, here we have someone who will kill a beautiful fish, but not a rabbit? sounds like a poacher to me. ;D jk
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Big Steel on May 11, 2006, 08:08:31 PM
Well, you see BFer, I always have fish, so I have no need to kill more than what I would need!! ;) Besides, I am a lousy shot anyways!! ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: drift on May 11, 2006, 08:11:15 PM
Well, you see BFer, I always have fish, so I have no need to kill more than what I would need!!   ;)Besides, I am a lousy shot anyways!! ::) ;D ;D


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: leaseman on May 12, 2006, 07:15:05 AM
I fish AND hunt....both are the same in my eyes...don't knock what I do and I won't knock what you do.... :-X >:(
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Gooey on May 12, 2006, 09:52:50 AM
Moosefinder, I don't think that anyone is knocking hunters in general and maybe I should have said Trophy hunters as opposed to big game hunters.

In the articacle, the line that bugged me is that this guy was worried he wasn't going to get to keep the pelt.  I imagine that bear was not killed for the meat....I wouldnt pay $50,000 for 800 lbs of bear meat and neither did this guy...he paid $50,000 to hang a trophy on his wall.  I dont think any of us fish (or hunters) for that reason.  And even if we did want a trophy, fishers dont have to kil for one with fiberglass replicas etc.

I just find it a shame that a bear was killed for a pelt....if you look at a rack of antlers on a wall, at least it a safe assumption that  rest of the animal went to good use as food.
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: huntwriter on May 12, 2006, 02:08:58 PM
Gooey - Quit rightly the hunter was worried that he is not going to keep the trophy. The way the government carried on at first making him look like a poacher and all. Only to find out later that indeed it was a hybrid bear, after they spent all that taxpayers money on the DNA testing nonsense.

The meat of that bear is spoiled and he still waits for an apology for being treated like a poacher. Who cares how much money he spent to fulfill his dream to hunt bears in Canada, if he has the money and he obviously does, why not. Are we stooping so low now that we judge a hunter, or fisher for that matter, on how much money he/she will fork over to hunt/fish and on what he/she does with the animal hunted? The fact is trophy hunter or meat hunter he had a license to hunt and that is exactly what he did. The motives behind it are nobodies business, he did everything by the book and according to the law.

So who are we to knock him for it. I am not trying to start something here, but I can get a tad annoyed with this nonstop finger pointing some fishers and hunters feel entitled too if something does not jibe with the way they feel and see things. I guess the next step then would be to questions this hunters ethics and morrals, another hobby some fishers/hunters indulge in. As hunters and fishers, we kill things there are no nice words to put it and it is our right to do so. If someone chooses not practise catch and release or take a photo then that is that persons choice but it does not make him/her a more ethical hunter/fisher, just different.
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Gooey on May 12, 2006, 03:49:32 PM
Some of us practice catch and realease, some choose to havest fish, either way is fine with me as is harvesting a deer or moose for food... but I doubt anyone here has killed a fish intentionally that didn't make it to the dinner table. 

I think you are missing my point Huntwriter, you are free to disagree with it, but I think you missed it all the same. I think it is a shame to kill any animal for nuthing more than to inflate one's EGO....bragging rights.  A trophy hunt isnt much more than that in my eyes. 

And its such a special event for this guy, now he is going to go shoot a grizzly according to the article.  If there was a purple bear, maybe he'd would want to shoot one of those too...just like a happy meal toy, you can collect the entire set!!!  That would be REALLY cool!

Sarcasm aside, am I incorrect in assuming (and its nothing more than that as I am no hunter) that bear meat does not make good table fair?  Lets say there was no hang up with the game warden...would the meat from that bear have been consumed?  My guess is no.   If I am wrong and the product of this hunt was more than just a pelt for the wall (ie the rest of the bear wasnt wasted) then I can be a little more accepting of that bear's demise. 

Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: huntwriter on May 12, 2006, 07:15:16 PM


 

Sarcasm aside, am I incorrect in assuming (and its nothing more than that as I am no hunter) that bear meat does not make good table fair?  Lets say there was no hang up with the game warden...would the meat from that bear have been consumed?  My guess is no.   If I am wrong and the product of this hunt was more than just a pelt for the wall (ie the rest of the bear wasnt wasted) then I can be a little more accepting of that bear's demise. 



Personally I do not like bear meat, however there are a lot of hunters who think that bear meat is something very delicious. Neither do I like cat fish yet other fishers will disagree with me and like it very much.

As for trophy hunters. The great majority of them are good conservationists, in that they are only after big mature animals. Of course it is your good right to disagree with that sort of hunting or trophy fishing. However, we all have different reasons why we hunt or fish and I think it is just beautiful that we all can have our reasons be that for food or to hang them on the wall.

To agree or disagree is fine, even welcome to any debate but when it ends in name calling (not that you did that) or to say that these hunters/fishers are less "worth" or even down right "wrong" is in my opinion not only in very taste but also an insult to a person or persons we do not know personally.
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: mark on May 14, 2006, 08:19:33 PM
Well I must say that bear was a rare find indeed. I hope it wasn't the coca-cola bear. LOL.
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Fishin Freak on May 14, 2006, 09:35:23 PM
Some of us practice catch and realease, some choose to havest fish, either way is fine with me as is harvesting a deer or moose for food... but I doubt anyone here has killed a fish intentionally that didn't make it to the dinner table. 

How many people do you think kill Chums for their berries and chuck the rest? Probably a lot more than me and you would like to think.

I haven't killed a bear yet but from what i've heard it's better for you than beef as long as it's prepared well. I hope after spending all that money they'd want to consume it. Actually I believe you have to do something with it or else it's illegal just to take the hide. In the NWT by law you have to be accompanied by a guide while hunting big game, that can add a huge cost to any hunting trip so spending $50,000 doesn't mean he's out there just for the hide.
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: BCHunter on August 13, 2006, 08:38:12 PM
as a hunter i can see why the guy would be upset not to be able to keep the hide..but the client should have his money returned for the guiding service they provided period.

A grizzly bear is not an animal you can hunt every season, unless you have the money to hire a guide and pay big money for a tag...but also guides and us residents are limited on the number of tags issued each year....For us BC residents we have to enter a raffle draw each year in hopes of getting a tag...(Limited Entry Hunts) and believe me they don't give out many authorizations ..... grizzly bear hunting is simply a wildlife management tool, tags are issued for areas only with good or high numbers of grizzlies

i was lucky enough to get a tag this year for a grizzly for Sept 1-Nov 30, and i hope to get one too. ;D

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I incorrect in assuming (and its nothing more than that as I am no hunter) that bear meat does not make good table fair?

grizzly bear doesn't bylaw need to be consumed, so yes you can shoot it...take its hide and skull and leave the rest. The reason why is because of the things it eats...dead rotting animal..etc.. :P

black bears on the other hand have to be comsumed, there mainly plant eaters... i kill two every year and eat the meat...and keep or give away the hides. I simply don't shoot the first one i see either, to me its more than that...for example i use hounds to hunt bears..when the bear is treed i take a few pictures decide if its big enough and move on

here is a bear i spotted, i let it live
http://www.huntingfootage.com/data/511/MOV02872.MPG

and a small bear my hounds treed..let it leave too
http://www.huntingfootage.com/data/538/MOV03062.MPG

those videos are from this past spring

Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: kellya on August 13, 2006, 10:36:48 PM
Sweet videos.  ya get real close
Title: Re: Grizzly/Polar Hybred
Post by: Xgolfman on August 13, 2006, 11:07:52 PM
Bear meat is good if prepared correctly, like any game animal i suppose..I had to freeze mine for a few weeks and then cook it throughly I had it made into sausage, nice ones like garlic and summer sausage for lunch meats etc. Was excellent.

Wish I had the time to hunt more...Ah Kids and college coming up soon makes for a hectic life..I've found "most" hunters like most fisherman are the best conservationists out there, kind of an oxymoron but true.