Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Novabonker on November 11, 2010, 07:45:43 AM
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Yay or nay?
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I think this should be in General Discussion not: Fishing-related Issues & News
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Why do we have to wait till Sept 2011 to vote. The earlier the better. Of course the Lieberals wants to stretch the tax collection as long as possible. That extra 7% food tax adds up.
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Which food? It only applies to the processed crap (junk food) that we shouldn't be eating anyways.
The better poll question would be: "How many people think that the HST is a tax that has been implemented in addition to the PST and GST"?
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The HST is a good tax for the province. It allows us to be competitive with Ontario, though consumers will have to now pay tax on some items that were not previously ST taxed.
The tax benefits most businesses as they are not able to reclaim the PST part of the HST whereas previously they could not. This exempt allows businesses to upgrade their machinery which will increase productivity and this will encourage employers to hire more needed staff thus creating employment.
It might hurt the individual consumer somewhat, but on the whole it creates less administration function in a business and encourages employers given the tax incentive to hire new employees. Also,'it gives businesses a higher competitive edge in their products.
No pain no gain!
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--I like the HST, I don't like the way it was introduced with no debate and do not trust nor support those who brought it in, however ... it is simpler and cheaper to collect.. it is new thus needs some fine tuning rather than wholesale changes.
--there is nothing stopping the goverment of the day from reducing the provincial portion of the tax or even refunding the provincial portion on some items. If we went back to GST/HST it would cost us more to collect as now HST is collected by the feds.
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I believe that we were blatently lied to by the FIBRALS prior to the last election, when they claimed they were not even tempted to implement the HST. As soon as they won the election they did exactly what they told us (during their campaign) they were not going to do. They did this despite the overwhelming opposition to the tax voiced by the decieved electorate. I cannot forgive this one and I think it is important to press on with recall and ultimatly dismantling the HST, as this would send a warning to polititions, that there can and will be harsh consequenses for dishonesty and manipulation in public office.
When you consider how many additional items we are now taxed on I don't believe it's benificial to the vast majority of us!
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Dismantle the HST and replace it with what?
Everyone wants government services, but don't want to pay for them.
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Another thing, have you noticed that Ontario would love nothing more than for us to scrap the HST (and is quite vocal about it)? Ponder on that for a while.
If businesses leave BC for a province with a more favorable tax system, some of you might be wondering what happened to your jobs.
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I'm sure there will be a few layoffs in the restaurant/pub type business here because of it. Most people I know go out less now because of the extra costs. Not to mention the drop in spirit sales over the concern of being nailed to the cross for having blown nearish to .05 from one drink.
Anyone donating to MADD this year? I'm on the no donor wagon. Gave to the HST.
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I know a number of bar and restaurant owners and they all say they hate the HST, as it's bad for business. If we are talking about the prospect of Job losses look no further than the HST and the unnecessary .05 laws wreaking havoc on a once vibrant industry.
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Dismantle the HST and replace it with what?
Did you not read the POLL question that the rest of us are responding to?
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If the big issue is that business will save money because the HST is deductible why not go back to the PST and make it deductible as well. In addition how long will it take business to pass down their new profits to the people in price adjustments.
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Why do we have to wait till Sept 2011 to vote. The earlier the better. Of course the Liberals wants to stretch the tax collection as long as possible. That extra 7% food tax adds up.
--I think it is quite obvious that the NDP also wanted the delay... as they were on the joint committee which decided to go to referendum rather than take it to a vote in the legislature where they would have to stand up and be counted.
--I don't see how either party can now get rid of the tax... just like the Fed Liberals kept the GST. Bottom line is we need to see the books... I'm not yet convinced (ie haven't even been shown) that the HST has a higher net revenue given the NEW business deductions which were included... was it a tax grab or tax gift with a shift in who is paying the bulk of the tax. Show me the books...is there is a net tax gain to the province and do we need the money. I'm willing to pay my fair share of the debt but I want to see the bill and who's paying it.
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If the big issue is that business will save money because the HST is deductible why not go back to the PST and make it deductible as well. In addition how long will it take business to pass down their new profits to the people in price adjustments.
Forever and a day!!
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CameronT120 said it well. If we rid the HST. Ontario would gain big time, think of the business Ontario would gain, the film industry will move lock stock and barrel,manufactured products will be more costly to make in BC and companies will move East. If u really look at the numbers, many items are already PST taxed and the extra items now affected by the HST is not that bad. There is also a HST rebate for some people. Life is give and take, no pain no gain.
If we go back to the old system BC will be less competitive and the net effect will be businesses moving out of BC to Ontario.
Whatever the liberals did was for the good of the province, their problem was the way they handled the situation. If I was premier I would have done it differently. I would maybe drop the HST to 11% or 10% making the provincial portion of the tax lower by 1 0r 2 % . Perhaps that would make the pill easier to swallow.
Remember the decade we had NDP rule businesses moved out of BC and the economy was in the tank. If this is repeated again, the same scenario would be replayed again. Seriously, do you think the NDP can manage the province better? Don't let history repeat itself again.
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CameronT120 said it well. If we rid the HST. Ontario would gain big time, think of the business Ontario would gain, the film industry will move lock stock and barrel,manufactured products will be more costly to make in BC and companies will move East. If u really look at the numbers, many items are already PST taxed and the extra items now affected by the HST is not that bad. There is also a HST rebate for some people. Life is give and take, no pain no gain.
If we go back to the old system BC will be less competitive and the net effect will be businesses moving out of BC to Ontario.
Whatever the liberals did was for the good of the province, their problem was the way they handled the situation. If I was premier I would have done it differently. I would maybe drop the HST to 11% or 10% making the provincial portion of the tax lower by 1 0r 2 % . Perhaps that would make the pill easier to swallow.
Remember the decade we had NDP rule businesses moved out of BC and the economy was in the tank. If this is repeated again, the same scenario would be replayed again. Seriously, do you think the NDP can manage the province better? Don't let history repeat itself again.
Sorry, but that's not the facts. Too many good folks are influenced by the Kampbell Kool Aid. Are you including the increase in public debt over the last decade as that's gone up 40% or so? Here's a few points worth looking at.
In the 1980s, Social Credit governments led by Bill Bennett and Bill Vander Zalm received three special equalization payments from Ottawa. Bennett got the first such payment, for $139 million, in 1983/84, and a second for $35 million in 1984/85. Vander Zalm obtained $360,000 in 1986/87.
The NDP garnered a single equalization transfer, of $125 million, in 1999/2000.
Gordon Campbell's BC Liberals, in contrast, received five such payments: $158 million in 2001/02; $543 million in 2002/03; $979 million in 2004/05; $590 million in 2005/06; and $459 million in 2006/07. (So huge were these transfers, that B.C. actually had to re-pay an overpayment of $330 million in 2003/04.)
The New Democrats got a total of $125 million in equalization; Gordon Campbell's BC Liberals, a total of $2.4 billion.
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This whole tax problem is a real mess and the blame can be laid at the feet of Gordon Campbell. How simple it would have been to:
1. Tell us the plans.
2. Tell us why.
3. Give us a 1% decrease in the total taxation bill.
and "voila" we would not be having this conversation. Now, how do we get out of this mess?
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This whole tax problem is a real mess and the blame can be laid at the feet of Gordon Campbell. How simple it would have been to:
1. Tell us the plans.
2. Tell us why.
3. Give us a 1% decrease in the total taxation bill.
and "voila" we would not be having this conversation. Now, how do we get out of this mess?
Elect the NDP or start a new party, I will be your campaign manager. ;D ;D ;D
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1) Pillaging and raping the land usual gets the perpetrators shoot.
2) Revealing the greed will get them stoned for that slow painful demise.
3) Decreasing the bounty to Gordo's buddies, that's funny!
The is no out, can't even quit the game. No matter how bad we are the rest of the world is worst. If only NDP had a leader.
This whole tax problem is a real mess and the blame can be laid at the feet of Gordon Campbell. How simple it would have been to:
1. Tell us the plans.
2. Tell us why.
3. Give us a 1% decrease in the total taxation bill.
and "voila" we would not be having this conversation. Now, how do we get out of this mess?
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This whole tax problem is a real mess and the blame can be laid at the feet of Gordon Campbell. How simple it would have been to:
1. Tell us the plans.
2. Tell us why.
3. Give us a 1% decrease in the total taxation bill.
and "voila" we would not be having this conversation. Now, how do we get out of this mess?
A party committed to honesty and no special deals for their buddies. A more open government. Consultation with the electorate instead of tin pot dictatorships.
But mostly, MLA's that represent the views and values of the people that put them there, not party lines.
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--A party committed to honesty and no special deals for their buddies. A more open government. Consultation with the electorate instead of tin pot dictatorships.
--I believe most parties start with these ideals but the old addage.. power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely or something like that.