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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: brownmancheng on January 28, 2019, 06:19:29 PM
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Just wanted to throw out a huge sarcastic thanks a bunch to you two.
Left us stuck in the snow 25 km up the fsr yesterday.
Walked by while we were trying to get out and said they wanted to fish next run if we didn't get out they would come back before they left....
Well couldn't get out so I walked 15 min to where their vehicle had been to find tire tracks.
Completely classless. Ended up walking over 5 km just before dark in sub zero temps Before luckily seeing two nice guys wheeling that helped out. Could have been much worse and had to walk the other 20km in the dark .
Never I mean never leave people stranded in the wilderness .
Should be embarrassed in your selves.
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That happened to me too back in 2006 while fishing the Vedder. It was mid January and an unsuspected down fall hit mid river where I got stuck in a snow bank. I was by myself and couldn't push my car while trying to turn my steering wheel and I would say a dozen fishers passed by (4 of them walking out of the bush getting ready to leave)...Not one offered to help even after I pleaded with them. Luckily an older gentleman driving home from work noticed me struggling, pulled over and steered my car while I pushed it out of the snow. He couldn't believe the disregard of people saying that 40 years ago it would have been unthinkable not to help a fellow human being.
I guess times have changed and I feel bad that you went through that...I definitely would have helped.
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It is really weird for such behavior.
I was tolled out of snow in Mountain adams and in Merritt by strangers. My car was pushed off the slippery ice once in Joffre Lake and once on Pattullo Bridge. Deeply appreciated people met in the road. But I also remind myself do not try in uncertain snowy road condition
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why are you going 25kms up an fsr in january without any recovery equipment?
and they're the ones to blame.....
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ugh... hate to say this but I think I am getting numb to other peoples troubles. dunno why... possibly 'cause I expect the same. doesn't mean I wouldn't stop to help here, but... just saying.
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Terrible they did not help. Why were u stuck? No FWD/snow tires/chains or shovel?
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why are you going 25kms up an fsr in january without any recovery equipment?
and they're the ones to blame.....
I think the rant was more about the fact they said they would but didnt.
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maybe they were apparitions
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The upper Squamish is pretty remote this time of year. Should always be prepared with chains or shovels Etc. That said there is unwritten rules about helping people in the bush. My brother and I would have been in for a long night on that same river when his fuel pump quit had a guy not stopped to help us as it was getting dark. Pretty sure he was one of the last ones to come out of there that night.
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Sorta sounds like it’s the locals (Subaru guys) saying F you, don’t come back and fish here. You flew here I grew here type of thing... :(
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More like it is just city idiots as that is most of the people up there at this time of the year. The road is awful right now with huge ruts and pot holes so deep you smash your head on the roof of your truck when you crawl through them. Yet you will see people up there in there cars. No wonder people get stuck. That said, I still would have pulled them out. Would have given them cupcakes but I still would have pulled them out.
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why are you going 25kms up an fsr in january without any recovery equipment?
and they're the ones to blame.....
Sometimes people make poor decisions..we've all done it. Other times, it's just bad luck. No one's laying blame, just disappointed in the display of apathy.
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why are you going 25kms up an fsr in january without any recovery equipment?
and they're the ones to blame.....
this, i dont head out especially alone unprepared.
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Rather than slinging out zhit such as "they are to blame" or "I wouldn't have headed out". How about telling us whether if you would help.
I know I would.
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ohhh I would have helped for sure. :)
I just think it's a pretty bad idea to head out somewhere unprepared. Then go on a forum and whine cause you have some sand in your vageegee.
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ohhh I would have helped for sure. :)
I just think it's a pretty bad idea to head out somewhere unprepared. Then go on a forum and whine cause you have some sand in your vageegee.
I couldn’t find the like button.
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Sure, or maybe they had a medical emergency and had to leave.
Certainly sucks for you but not really their fault.
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ohhh I would have helped for sure. :)
I just think it's a pretty bad idea to head out somewhere unprepared. Then go on a forum and whine cause you have some sand in your vageegee.
Pretty much sums it up. I’d be pissed too but but I’d have learned a lesson...
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Out on my boat one year and the motor quit . I was adrift and waved my paddle at another boat , distress call of sorts , and they just waved and kept going . Thankfully an RCMP boat rescued me , towed me from Richmond to the Patullo bridge.
I helped a guy in the Fraser once to , he had broke down just as it was getting dark out . Towed him back to the boat launch without question .
Things may be a bit different on land , however . I would have gladly helped out . If I couldn't pull them out ,I would have gave them a ride back to town .
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Out on my boat one year and the motor quit . I was adrift and waved my paddle at another boat , distress call of sorts , and they just waved and kept going . Thankfully an RCMP boat rescued me , towed me from Richmond to the Patullo bridge.
I helped a guy in the Fraser once to , he had broke down just as it was getting dark out . Towed him back to the boat launch without question .
Things may be a bit different on land , however . I would have gladly helped out . If I couldn't pull them out ,I would have gave them a ride back to town .
For sure u have to help out a stranded person. Even if they are negligent and/or exercise poor judgement as in this case. Things could have ended up a lot worse.
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Sure, or maybe they had a medical emergency and had to leave.
Certainly sucks for you but not really their fault.
BINGO!
Your lack of preparation does not necessarily constitute an emergency in someone else's books. Sure, I get that you might be butt hurt over them not coming back on their white horse to save the day, but they have reasons for not coming back, whatever they might be. I trust nobody to bail me out except me. Having the tools, skills and abilities to get yourself out of most jams often serves as good reminder to not get into them in the first place.
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About 15 years ago my buddy and I were fishing the squish for chum in mid November and there were a school of 7or 8 chums caught in a pool because of low water or whatever. This idiot was yelling at us to stop fishing and help him move the fish back into the flow. We didn't for good reasons. There were so many fish and the fishing was just totally awesome. And besides, we had just finished smoking a fat one. At the end we got so annoyed by all that yelling we just told him to shut the f up.
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About 15 years ago my buddy and I were fishing the squish for chum in mid November and there were a school of 7or 8 chums caught in a pool because of low water or whatever. This idiot was yelling at us to stop fishing and help him move the fish back into the flow. We didn't for good reasons. There were so many fish and the fishing was just totally awesome. And besides, we had just finished smoking a fat one. At the end we got so annoyed by all that yelling we just told him to shut the f up.
Me thinks you smoked a fat one replying to this thread!!!!!! :o
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Me thinks you smoked a fat one replying to this thread!!!!!! :o
Must have been puffing hard with the two arguing about who the problem people are.
I'm from the sticks but living in the city and can say without a doubt that there are awesomes and A-holes in both camps. Can't judge people by where they live - but how they were raised and carry themselves as adults.
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That jackass post pretty much sums it up.........excuses, excuses, excuses.....
How about doing the right thing?
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Always do the right thing....regardless.
I have helped people get out of jams in remote locations on several occasions. I one instance I had to winch out a stuck Jeep and tow it down a forest service road to get them to a place where they could call for further help. They were fully equipped with tools and recovery equipment ( winch etc.. ). They had been stuck in a snow drift and while winching out they had a mechanical failure.
One cannot assume that someone has 'headed out unprepared'. Sh*t happens.
btw...
Even if someone did go out unprepared, the right thing is to help. Why is that even a point of argument?!?
If they said they would come back to help and then took off .....dick move period.
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+1 Everybody's messed up and needed help at some point. Helping is the right thing to do, especially when it could turn into a life or death situation...
Sometimes people make poor decisions..we've all done it. Other times, it's just bad luck. No one's laying blame, just disappointed in the display of apathy.
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there's some lovely, helpful people on this forum apparantly. It's safe to say mr.cheng did not suffer a mechanical failure. I'd be far more sympathetic to his plight.
I have had to get a tow cause my starter pooched it, and I had my camper on my truck. That was not fun, and I am well equipped.
mr.cheng was 25mks up an fsr, and he was not alone. He was stuck. His lack of a follow up post to his original also indicates the likelihood of him 'not being prepared'. And to me, lacking a ton of common sense.
I'm not trying to be dickish, I would have definitely helped. Using the winch can be fun at times... But the question still remains, what the hell is he doing that far up and fsr with zero recovery equipment, in god damn january.
hopefully he bought a shovel and some straps.
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There is no excuse for not helping someone out when they are in trouble, no matter how stupid they might be, getting stuck 25kms in the boonies in January could result in dire consequences, not the guilt I would want to carry around , not much different than going for a hike in the back country on a sunny winter day with a windbreaker and SAR refusing to help. There will always be idiots, looks like on both sides of the coin in this case
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--depends...so I hook my winch or come-along to your bumper and it rips off or your vehicle slides or gets in a worse situation...are you goin to sue me because I am not a professional bonded tow person.
--so maybe offer a ride back to town to get professional help. at least make the offer.
--conversely, if the person seems competent and willing to take responsibility I would let them do the hookup (making sure it's safe for my vehicle and equipment).
--must be a coastal thing...I don't think 25km up an fsr is very far or unreasonable...that's walking distance.
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Always do the right thing....regardless.
I have helped people get out of jams in remote locations on several occasions. I one instance I had to winch out a stuck Jeep and tow it down a forest service road to get them to a place where they could call for further help. They were fully equipped with tools and recovery equipment ( winch etc.. ). They had been stuck in a snow drift and while winching out they had a mechanical failure.
One cannot assume that someone has 'headed out unprepared'. Sh*t happens.
btw...
Even if someone did go out unprepared, the right thing is to help. Why is that even a point of argument?!?
If they said they would come back to help and then took off .....dick move period.
1000 x agree. This could of been life or death situation as one post said.
But possibly guys did not want to put a tow line as it could damage their transmission.
So they could of discussed a plan with them like when they drove into the town call a tow truck & send it to the stuck vehicle.
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there's some lovely, helpful people on this forum apparantly. It's safe to say mr.cheng did not suffer a mechanical failure. I'd be far more sympathetic to his plight.
I have had to get a tow cause my starter pooched it, and I had my camper on my truck. That was not fun, and I am well equipped.
mr.cheng was 25mks up an fsr, and he was not alone. He was stuck. His lack of a follow up post to his original also indicates the likelihood of him 'not being prepared'. And to me, lacking a ton of common sense.
I'm not trying to be dickish, I would have definitely helped. Using the winch can be fun at times... But the question still remains, what the hell is he doing that far up and fsr with zero recovery equipment, in god damn january.
hopefully he bought a shovel and some straps.
Okay...the guy was irresponsible and stupid for being that far up, but let's change the scenario. Let's say it was a pretty blonde girl in that situation...would you have treated her the same way?
The point is not about why he was unprepared (it's already been established that he was irresponsible), it's about giving assistance to someone in dire need. We're not talking about a break down on some city street, this was up in the boonies where conditions were poor.
Ten years ago, I helped out a couple of teens who got stranded trying to wade across the river up by the slides. They literally froze because of fear so I waded in to guide them back to shore. It was dicey and heart pounding due to the fact they were crossing in the middle of a run, but I was experienced enough that we managed to inch our way back using the arm in arm technique. Why did I do it? Because there was not enough time to call for help and I knew if I didn't, there was a high probability of them being swept away. Stupidity shouldn't constitute a life threatening sentence. In fact, by helping they learned a life long lesson that hopefully in turn, they passed on to someone else.
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Odd the OP would post then not respond? We have no idea how prepared or unprepared he was. Perhaps he is hoping the white Subaru owner is on the forum and would see this thread? Perhaps the only way of venting his displeasure at the would be rescuer for leaving them high and dry.
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I think this Parksville senior is just glad he didn't meet a couple of guys in a white Subaru
https://www.pqbnews.com/community/parksville-senior-on-scooter-stuck-in-snow-gets-a-tow-home/