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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: rheticus on November 19, 2016, 09:32:15 AM
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As if Marine Harvest and its ilk don't do enough damage to wild salmon stocks!
http://www.news1130.com/2016/11/19/humpback-found-dead-near-campbell-river/
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Does fisheries have any rules about dismantling these places if not in use ? or are they partly to blame for not caring.
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Just wait for the feedlot apologists to start trumpeting other cases where whales die from fishing activities - Because that makes it alright! :o ::)
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Do a search "Dolphins caught in gill nets", no one seems to know or care about this. Think about all the gill nets used along the B.C. coast each year.
How can you point the finger at one business but allow another to continue with no notice?
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To deplore the negligence of one industry is not to excuse the negligence of another. Who said it was? This particular dead humpback whale happened to be in the news today, and the fact of its death points to the deplorable negligence of a particular foreign industry that's damaging other things in our waters as well. It makes no sense to say "Shut up about any particular evil unless you list all the others"!
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Do a search "Dolphins caught in gill nets", no one seems to know or care about this. Think about all the gill nets used along the B.C. coast each year.
How can you point the finger at one business but allow another to continue with no notice?
Thanks for this SPEYMAN ... I did this google search for Dolphins and added a few others, all deaths attributed to legal commercial fishing. As you say, this seems to be something not really talked about. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
http://wildwhales.org/conservation/threats/entanglement/
https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/sites/default/files/int_files/sea-change-campaign-tackling-ghost-fishing-gear_0.pdf
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/maritimeaffairs_fisheries/consultations/driftnet/contributions/doc/11-b-birdlife-international-last-en-20130628_en.pdf
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Again, I'm surprised that this makes such headlines and stirs up so much criticism from fish farm critics meanwhile this entanglement of cetaceans is common here and elsewhere in the world.....and none of these critics say boo about it. Instead, they use it as a rallying cry to remove net pens from the ocean because they are killing and injuring too many cetaceans. I don't think we should dismiss what happened here, but if critics are going to suddenly embrace this issue to save and protect cetaceans from unintentional entanglement in nets then you can't just look at one industry and point fingers while the other has a very extensive record worldwide for this same thing. Let Google be your guide on this one. Cetaceans being incidentally captured in commercial nets is worldwide, but the folks at Salmon Are Sacred have developed tunnel vision and just focused on aquaculture. Are they conservationists all the time or do they choose to be at certain times - depending on who the offending party is?
However, when you have commercial fisheries here pledging support to Mrs Morton (i.e. commercial fishers against fish farms Facebook page) and that same support being returned (i.e. Morton didn't condemn recent illegal commercial fishing this summer on threatened stocks and instead criticized DFO for taking action) then it starts to make more sense, in my opinion. One needs to look out for the other. Whales are meerly a pawn because if these critics truly were concerned about them then we would see equal effort with the industry that shoulders most of the responsibility.
Another thing that was mentioned in the article that Morton didn't pick up on (or ignored) was that the farm "site" in question was not active at the time. However, following the tradition from the new US President Elect, Morton has decided to divert from the facts to go on a rant about how these whales are attracted to these net pens because of the feed which attracts the herring.
What was a good question was do Fisheries have any rules about dismantling these places if not in use and if they are partly to blame. I don't know, but I would have to say that having these incidents happen can't be in anyone's best interests - government, industry, conservationists, the general public or the cetaceans. Damage to these sites costs the industry money and it's not inexpensive sending out crews from the department to rescue these cetaceans. Hopefully, there is something learned from this which can prevent this from happening again, but the important thing is that this issue goes beyond the aquaculture industry and includes the commercial fishing industry also.
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--Ghost nets and by-catch were reasons given to got to farms. Bummer either way.
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It looks like Marine Harvest is taking action already.
http://www.campbellrivermirror.com/news/402297925.html
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http://globalnews.ca/news/3099867/another-humpback-whale-dies-on-b-c-s-west-coast-after-being-caught-in-fish-farm-nets/
Looks like this "This is the first time in 16 years of operating that Grieg Seafood has experienced an incident involving a whale at any of its farms in B.C. " is going to be a going concern. Until fishfarms start fessing up that when witnesses are around this does indeed happen more than once in 16 years. Shat them out of the water onto land based operations.
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Jeremy Dunn, executive director of the B.C. Salmon Farmers Association was on CBC radio this AM, talk about not answering the questions by Rick Cluff and all the denial as well. Sounds like the PAPG boys on this forum. :P
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/humback-whale-deaths-1.3874915
Another reason to put FF on land.
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Just wait for the feedlot apologists to start trumpeting other cases where whales die from fishing activities - Because that makes it alright! :o ::)
One more but wait for the same trumpets.....
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No one wants to see dead whales attributed to salmon farms. If you listen to farm spokespeople they are working on ways and collaborating with whale experts to stop these mortalities.
The problem seems to be Humpbacks don't have the sonar capabilities as other whales, and because the population is increasing this will probably be a continuing problem until solutions are found.
"Humpbacks are particularly at risk from fish farm equipment because they do not have bio-sonar like toothed whales, Hildering said. This makes it less likely they will avoid the equipment when they're diving for food.
Fish farm industry leaders plan to meet with experts from Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) next month to discuss the recent entanglements and work on ways to prevent them, Dunn said.
"The experts are telling us there are significantly more humpback whales in the environment, and our farmers need to learn more about the whales," he said. "If DFO determines that there should be some changes made to the infrastructure of the farms, I think our members will certainly do that."
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No one wants to see dead whales attributed to salmon farms. If you listen to farm spokespeople they are working on ways and collaborating with whale experts to stop these mortalities.
The problem seems to be Humpbacks don't have the sonar capabilities as other whales, and because the population is increasing this will probably be a continuing problem until solutions are found.
"Humpbacks are particularly at risk from fish farm equipment because they do not have bio-sonar like toothed whales, Hildering said. This makes it less likely they will avoid the equipment when they're diving for food.
Fish farm industry leaders plan to meet with experts from Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) next month to discuss the recent entanglements and work on ways to prevent them, Dunn said.
"The experts are telling us there are significantly more humpback whales in the environment, and our farmers need to learn more about the whales," he said. "If DFO determines that there should be some changes made to the infrastructure of the farms, I think our members will certainly do that."
'If DFO determines that there should be some changes made to the infrastructure of the farms"
Put them on land. Problem solved. And the one defense I find pretty porous is the pollution argument. If it's deleterious on land, what in the name of Great Aunt Agnes is it doing to the ocean?
"I think our members will certainly do that."
Think? No thinking involved - just DO IT.
Nothing like a black eye to spur some action that MUST be done.
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Pull the gillnets, seines, trawls, fishing lines and shellfish operations from the ocean also. No thinking involved just do it.
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Pull the gillnets, seines, trawls, fishing lines and shellfish operations from the ocean also. No thinking involved just do it.
Yep - Sure as sugar I knew some flaccid diversion was coming. Pretty weak Brian. Is that the best you can come up with?
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Funny how fish farm/feedlot owners are 'concerned' it is just faux concern as the only thing they are concerned about is getting shut down, which can not come soon enough and mark my words it will happen eventually...
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Yep - Sure as sugar I knew some flaccid diversion was coming. Pretty weak Brian. Is that the best you can come up with?
Just throwing your same, old, tired, hypocritical and flawed argument back at you.
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I would be interested to hear what the wild fishery has "willingly" employed to limit by-catch.
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Pull the gillnets, seines, trawls, fishing lines and shellfish operations from the ocean also. No thinking involved just do it.
Back on topic Brian, we are talking about FF's.
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I would be interested to hear what the wild fishery has "willingly" employed to limit by-catch.
:) ^^^^ Seems an answer will never come from the one's that have their minds made up. For people that are asking for an answer like you are, I would expect this would be an easy one. Back to you Chris or Nova.
BTW I have come to learn that farming fish is a result of a non sustainable wild fishery.
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:) ^^^^
BTW I have come to learn that farming fish is a result of a non sustainable wild fishery.
Your FF are certainly not helping not helping our wild salmon rebound to levels there once were. :P
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Your FF are certainly not helping not helping our wild salmon rebound to levels there once were. :P
Please explain that and provide one example of Pacific salmon stocks being impacted by salmon farms. Just one.
Then I will come with dozens of how stocks have been devastated or extirpated by poor logging or agricultural practices, habitat loss, climate change and over fishing.
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Please explain that and provide one example of Pacific salmon stocks being impacted by salmon farms. Just one.
Then I will come with dozens of how stocks have been devastated or extirpated by poor logging or agricultural practices, habitat loss, climate change and over fishing.
The topic was:
Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
Just so we don't get side showed like a rerun of Startrek. What's Shatner take on this? I'm going to contact his agent.
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Back on topic Brian, we are talking about FF's.
Well, you clearly have not read what had posted in this thread already and another related one awhile back. I already talked about fish farms on this issue, but this impact on cetaceans is a broader discussion that involves more than just aquaculture. That's what I'm saying. It's not really fair or realistic to put this all on the BC fish farm industry while you already have another industry that clearly has more impact on cetaceans but is allowed to stay put. I realize it's highly inconvenient to talk about the worse offender because you have no defence for it so you just push it aside as it doesn't exist. Well, it does exist. Where's your outrage there? Where's the concern for whales? I also believe that this has little to do with the welfare of cetaceans because if it truly was then Conservationists would be tackling the broader issue with incidental capture of cetaceans and not just looking at one industry as the problem.
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/increase-in-humpback-whale-numbers-in-b-c-waters-results-in-record-entanglements-in-fishing-gear
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Just throwing your same, old, tired, hypocritical and flawed argument back at you.
That's going on record as the most pathetic justification you've come up with yet and that's coming from an encyclopedia of lame responses. " It's OK - everyone is doing it" It has to do with one segment - or did you put your blinders on to the thread title? Do try to keep up to speed on the subject Brian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM
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Your FF are certainly not helping not helping our wild salmon rebound to levels there once were. :P
I would like to know what science you follow to make you "feel" the way you do. It simply makes me smile now knowing I will never get an answer. :)
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Yeah Bob, I'm still waiting for a reply. Chris loves to throw this stuff out there but never, ever, backs it up with anything defensible.
He loves to stir the pot, much like Almo. I believe they both think if you say something often enough, it will eventually become truth to the sheeple.
Hey, a President was just elected using these same principles :(
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That's going on record as the most pathetic justification you've come up with yet and that's coming from an encyclopedia of lame responses. " It's OK - everyone is doing it" It has to do with one segment - or did you put your blinders on to the thread title? Do try to keep up to speed on the subject Brian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM
Never said that it was ok everyone is doing it. You said that. Not my fault you can't read. Maybe you need to keep up....
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Never said that it was ok everyone is doing it. You said that. Not my fault you can't read. Maybe you need to keep up....
I have kept up - the thread was about feedlots, but you chose to point your fingers elsewhere. Comprehension issues? ;)
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I have kept up - the thread was about feedlots, but you chose to point your fingers elsewhere. Comprehension issues? ;)
Spoken like a Trump surrogate. You need go back and find where I said or even meant that "It's OK - everyone's is doing it." My comprehension skills are fine. Yours on the other hand seem to be slightly challenged at the moment. You could just go back and edit what you had wrongly said and make it easier on yourself, but I predict you will just press on like Thelma and Louise off the cliff.
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Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
Notice what the thread title is about? ;) :o
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Yeah Bob, I'm still waiting for a reply. Chris loves to throw this stuff out there but never, ever, backs it up with anything defensible.
He loves to stir the pot, much like Almo. I believe they both think if you say something often enough, it will eventually become truth to the sheeple.
Hey, a President was just elected using these same principles :(
Still waiting ::)
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Still waiting ::)
And keep waiting. ;D
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And keep waiting. ;D
Ah Chris, possibly your lamest post to date on salmon farming in BC and rather than berate you, I ask ... how can you support something you can't defend? I guess you have 2 options here ... answer my question regarding impacts to Pacific salmon from salmon farming in BC or Washington State, or, don't respond at all.
I told you I was all in regarding this subject. Over to you.
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Ah Chris, possibly your lamest post to date on salmon farming in BC and rather than berate you, I ask ... how can you support something you can't defend? I guess you have 2 options here ... answer my question regarding impacts to Pacific salmon from salmon farming in BC or Washington State, or, don't respond at all.
I told you I was all in regarding this subject. Over to you.
Response put on proper thread. ;D