Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: scouterjames on October 18, 2006, 08:26:55 AM
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I'm going to spool a new reel and I'm flip flopping on what line to put on (bait cast for the Vedder). Suggestions please? The more advice the merrier!
Also - Rodney - an idea for another forum - TECHNIQUES. I'm a newbie and searching thru reports and general discussion for techniques has been driving me nuts! It's all great and interesting reading, but my head starts swimming reading all the different stuff... a board like Fishing Reports, but only for advising different techniques and hardware everyone uses (ie. shortfloating - that took me hours to find WHAT it was after reading about so many people using it).
ciao and thanks!
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15 Pound Maxima Ultrgreen . 12/10 pound maxima ultragreen leader line, Use Monofilament braided line isnt a great ides with these low clear conditions
Why don't you like 20lb maxima for mainline Anthony?
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If you have the time, this Saturday there will be that instructional session on the Vedder River that has been organized by Fisherforever. May want to view the threads on that topic to see if it is something you would be interested in attending.
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I have a ton of different fishing rods...pins, bait casters, spin casters, and I have a mix of both braid and mono. I know a lot of guys here don't like braid but it has some distinct advantages over mono and its few (imo) disadvantages are easy to overcome. I think a lot of the negative impressions about braid are because people come off of the fraser with 50lb braid, Bouncing betty harnesses and 15 foot leaders and just make a mess of vedder with that rig.
Here is one of my favourite rods to fish right now: 9 foot lami rated 8-12lbs, with a shimano conquest loaded with 30lb moss green power pro. I have caught coho and steelhead float fishing this rod on gin clear water so I am convinced a little bit of braid doenst spook them off. Let me quantify that though. I fish a drennan on the 30lb briad to that I tie a swivel with 2-3 feet of 12 lb maxima to which I pinch on split shot, then comes another swivel with leaders running from 6-10lb. Works like a charm. Casts super smooth, backlashes pick out easily, low stretch means a newby can get away with being a little slow on the hook set, braid is lighter than mono so its easier to mend and has less water drag...I tell you, 20-30lb braid can be very nice to fish.
case in point, the last report I made where I got my first coho of the season, I was using the above rod with a 3 foot 8lb leader and on the end was an inline spinner I made (#4 french blade, green tape, 1/0 hook and 4 plastic beads). Its a light spinner and that rig with no added weight, I can cast 50-65 feet. The light spinner can be retrieved super slow as it doesnt sink too fast...its a deadly presentation and I know I couldn't fish it with 12-15 lb mono...casting would be too tough.
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i would use mono for the vedder either 12-15lbs for the main line and 8-10lbs leaders , I've had no problem in the past landing large fish as well ;) as for the braided i use that mainly on the Fraser as i don't find a need for it when drift fishing,you could use either but for the most part your gonna see everyone on mono when it comes to the vedder
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I just think that people that use heavy braided line just like to horse fish in and don't care about the fighting aspect of the sport.
I was always taught to bring the fish in as fast as possible for 2 reasons:
1) If you intend to release the fish, a quick catch and release reduces strsess on the fish and allows for highest chances of survival.
2) If you intend to keep and eat the fish, a quick catch reduces the physical stress on the fish and allows for better tasting fare.
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Right now im using 12lb on my pin, I find that fine. However I have 15lb on my other pin. Cant really tell the difference. As for braided, Save it for barfishing or bottom bouncing the fraser ;)
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Roe Kid, have you fished a ful season with braid? I know you have a little bit of experience but do you have ANY experience fishing braid other than on the fraser?
Do you know that lots of great lakes fishers use braid on their pins? Thats right! Due to its small diameter, its much easier to cast. Ever seen a guy cast a center pin by holding the line 6 inches away from the spool, directly over the axle? Makes your center pin cast like a spinning reel and you can really cast light gear a long way. You can only do it with braid though cause it doesnt twist up like mono would.
Few more plusses to braid: doesnt stretch..every time you snag your weight with mono and stretch out your line, you weaken it. If I snag my weights and they dont pop free easily, I usually end up cutting 15 or so feet of line off to get rid of the stretched/weaken line. You dont need to worry about that with braid.
That said I have fish one spool of braid on the fraser for 4 years (and counting), you certainly dont waste line changing up braid as regularly as you do with mono.
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PS As for fish for the table.....bleed out your fish right after you have catch it instead of bonking it on the head.
I'm a wuss. I can't do it to the fish while it's alive - a quick bonk to stun/kill and THEN bleed it - the heart should still be pumping and you'll get your bleed but the brain will be gone so no pain to sammy the salmon.
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I'm with Gooey on this one. I only use mono main line for casting spoons/spinners without a float. On top of the advantages Gooey already mentioned for braid it will also last much longer and you will rarely loose your floats. It also gives you the ability to use an ultra light reel and still have decent line capacity and strong main line. Be sure to use a Palomar knot when tieing the braid to the swivel. I use the yellow Tuff Line XP and color the first 10 feet or so with a green or black permanent marker. I don't see any point in using braid thinner than #30 because it is already quite thin and if it was any thinner it would have less abrasion resistance and birdsnest would be harder to untangle.
oops I see Gooey has already replied but I will leave my response to show I'm in agreement with him.
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11 ft+ rod, centerpin, 12 lb main ultragreen mono, short leaders (12-24") anywhere between 6-8 lbs ultragreen mono, 10 lb if I'm fishing red springs, but I haven't done much of that the last few years...short float almost to an extreme rarely if ever snag a fish, haven't had any problems with this setup regardless of conditions...
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Gooey, which reel were you using for fishing spinners. I'm considering filling my ct250. Think it will work for tossing unweighted spinners?
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OK - I'm hearing mono, I'll forget the braided for now - BUT what's the difference Mono to fireline? I've heard it's smoother, casts farther and less birdsnests...
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Fireline is just another brand of braided. It along with spiderwire will instantly cut through mono so if you're fishing in the vicinity of anyone else I don't really reccomend it.
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Fireline is a "super line" that is not braided, it is a fused line that doesn't hold up very well. If you are considering braid I would recommend Tuff Line XP, it is a true braid. Also I have never witnessed Tuff Line cutting through mono but I've heard this can happen with fireline. Another advantage of using braid for mainline is that it floats better than mono. The advantage of mono over braid is that it is more translucent and has some stretch which can help keep your hook in place when playing a fish. Both of these characteristics are good for leader line.
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Scouter, how is your casting? If its really bad and you get birds nests, braid may be better as it is way easier to pic out. I have been fishing salmon for around 20 years and only now am I starting to experiment with braid and it very well could be a new fisher may not appreciate the differences that much.
Biff a I have never fished a CT 250, one thing I can tel you is that the shimano conquest 200 has 11 bearings!!! its super smooth. If the internet info is correct, a ct250 has only 3 bearings? As well a 200, the level wind disengages which creates a longer cast, not sure if the 250 LW disengages? As well, I dont think it would handle the same casting with a 10.5 rod...my 9 footer seems great for casting these light spinners and spoons.
If you like I have a bulk spool of 30lb powerpro, if you are on the North Shore, I could spool yua up for cheap.
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My castings not too bad - maybe 1 birdsnest for a 6 or 8 hour trip (OK, sometimes maybe 2! ;) )
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I'm ??? SO CONFUSED ??? Read this on Mike's Reel forum - aarrrggghhhhh
For baitcasters I recommend Tuf Line Plus. Not the Tuf Line XP which is exactly like the Power Pro, but the Tuf Line Plus. It's the only 100% spectra line I could find on the internet. All the other super lines have added nylon to their compostion in order to stiffen the line and reduce the tangles at the end of the rod. But that was done for people using spinning rods. This is a far less occurance with baitcasters because baitcaster have less slack line after a cast.
Tuf Line Plus is the most supple of the super lines and it casts further than the stiffer super lines.
I was using the original Gorilla braid in 12 lb test but will be using 18 lb test Tuf Line Plus which is actually smaller than the Gorilla Braid.
Comments???
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Well are you leaning towards braid or mono now?
If you have a smaller reel, braid is great as it rarely break (the way I fish it) so you dont need to respool lots. If you have a stiff rod, having some stretch/forgiveness in mono can help protect your leader from snapping if a fish makes a big run. If you like casting light gear with little extra added weight then the thinness of braid is a huge advantage...there are so many different factors that I can't advise you unless I know exactly what your application is.
I like power pro...do some reading yourself: http://www.powerpro.com/advantage/index.asp
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I think still mono, but all the reading is the problem confusing me! LOL I've been doing a lot of reading on salmon fishing trials and bass trials (similar river specs). Sounds like the best is still mono, with a florocarbon leader - here's what I read on the leaders with Salmon at http://www.tackletour.com/reviewseaguar.html
First, why use a fluorocarbon leader?: The theory behind the design of Fluorocarbon lines is that some fish will shy away from a lure or bait when they see a visible line. To prevent fish from spooking and increase your chances manufacturers like Seaguar have designed Fluorocarbon lines that are supposed to be near invisible underwater. The way they work are that they boast a refractive index which is nearly identical to that of the water. Seaguar explains "When you immerse a Fluorocarbon leader in water, it blends in so well that it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. And if the fish can't see it, they are far less likely to spook and more apt to strike."
Salmon Fishing: When we went mooching for Salmon half the team rigged up with Trilene Big Game 20lb and mono leaders, while MP and I rigged up 4 ft. Seaguar leaders. The leaders were connected to our main line via a swivel. By the end of the day both MP and I had fish, while only one of the other guys had landed a fish. The interesting thing was that we had twice as many hits as the other 2 guys who rigged mono leaders to their anchovies. Salmon have pretty good eyesight, and it was no surprise to us that the baits that had Seaguar leader were more often hit. Because Seaguar is near invisible it is ok to go higher on your line weight. This is important if you are fishing for huge Salmon, or Albacore, as it allows anglers to use normally hi-vis lines like braided or fused varieties and still present a lifelike bait with a long thick leader. The charter boats we go out on always use some type of leader, and experienced deck hands claimed that at times even a foot of Seaguar can make the difference between getting hit and being ignored by finicky fish. So for this test we would have to say that Seaguar performed well, and did give us that extra edge over line-shy Salmon.