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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: swimmingwiththefishes on October 04, 2015, 12:34:55 AM
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I've posted this sneakily in the Chilliwack river conditions section:) but it this needs to be talked about.
There's a whole bunch of websites. This is the one I've been checking especially as their doing regularly polling in swing ridings...
It's time we get rid of this clown of a prime minister and it ain't going to happen by voting for the Green party... (dont get me wrong I dont mind the green party but with our electoral system it's a wasted vote and we really need to get rid of Harper).
votetogether.ca
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Agreed, I used a different site : http://www.strategicvoting.ca but the same end goal, to get rid of Harper. For me that means voting liberal (Delta). My preference for a leader is actually Elizabeth May, but I have to agree that it would be wasted here.
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I have problems with both the NDP and Liberals but to get rid of the Conservatives, you have to pick a party.
It's pretty clear that the NDP mean higher taxes but in order to pay for the services that we need, we will have to pay for it. For reference, I pay about 18% in combined income tax - the average US citizen pays about 10%.
I think that we can pay a little more income tax in order to get the level of service we are used to (maybe cut back on the military - Canada has historically been a peace-keeper, not an active fighter).
The Liberals have a weak leader (again). I watched Trudeau after the first leaders debate and when he was asked a question he didn't know the answer to, he gave a lame answer and just tried smiling his way out of it. I hate that. Trudeau has shut down any attempted talk of a coalition but when things are done, I suspect he will have to go along.
This is going to be very difficult. The Conservatives are going with the "economic preservation" platform that gets a lot of scared people to vote for them.
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Yes there are many good ones.
I live in a swing riding where votetogether is doing a pledge campaign signing up a big group of people to vote as a block. Seems like a good idea. They are also doing local polling in our riding so we get the latest numbers on where the non-conservative vote is swaying avoiding the vote splitting.
I am more comfortable with the NDP as I think a lot of the higher tax stuff is rhetoric and if anything they will raise taxes on those who aren't paying their fair share (ie. the one percent and corporations).
There is lot's of proof that lower taxes for corporations doesn't do anything to create jobs, they just pocket the money.
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I had a great conversation with my wife about this last night. Harper is the scape goat here, it's not just him who has run a muck on our environment, it's the entire party. I have a feeling if "Harper" was not the name on the conservative ballot they would win again.
NDP do not plan to change much of what the conservatives have done. They will tweak as they see necessary, you won't see any increases in the budgets of the things we love here in BC.
I still have a lot of research to do, so I can't really comment much further.
It amazes me the lack of voting, and the excuse always is "my vote doesn't count anyways".
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That cartoon could not be any truer.
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Want to make you vote count? Here's three direct links to help you out...
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/swingdistricts.php (http://www.strategicvoting.ca/swingdistricts.php)
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php (http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php)
http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/ (http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/)
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Want to make you vote count? Here's three direct links to help you out...
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/swingdistricts.php (http://www.strategicvoting.ca/swingdistricts.php)
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php (http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php)
http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/ (http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/)
Great idea on the vote together site, it tells you the philosophies of the NDP, liberals, and Green Party. Too bad it's a biased site that does not include the Conservatives philosophies. I'd like all the information to help make up my own mind. Believe me I want Harper out too, but this type of site is my smelly socks.
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Great idea on the vote together site, it tells you the philosophies of the NDP, liberals, and Green Party. Too bad it's a biased site that does not include the Conservatives philosophies. I'd like all the information to help make up my own mind. Believe me I want Harper out too, but this type of site is my smelly socks.
Go to Vote Compass, see where your views fit in with the major parties, then go to strategicvoting.ca or votetogether.ca and see who has the best chance of defeating the Con candidate in your riding. http://votecompass.com/
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Great idea on the vote together site, it tells you the philosophies of the NDP, liberals, and Green Party. Too bad it's a biased site that does not include the Conservatives philosophies. I'd like all the information to help make up my own mind. Believe me I want Harper out too, but this type of site is my smelly socks.
Not sure I get it. They are dedicated to strategically voting to get Harper out so it's assuming that you are a voter who has already made up your mind on this but will be voting either Liberal, Greens, or NDP.
Vote Compass makes more sense if your still trying to 'find yourself' as a voter:)
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Gosh and to think I welcomed him to BC a few years ago, ouch.https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=lettermail+youtube&qpvt=lettermail+utube&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=77D04A729FD73BACEC3677D04A729FD73BACEC36
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You do have a record of backing winners ;D ;D ;D
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You do have a record of backing winners ;D ;D ;D
I may have to vote for myself in the New Year.lol
There is always seems to be one nipping at ones heels but I have known that for a couple of years.lol
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Might want to take that post down. Your credibility as a fish activist could be seriously compromised;)
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Might want to take that post down. Your credibility as a fish activist could be seriously compromised;)
One can always make one mistake in life and also this was many years ago.lol
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LeadNow strategic voting recommendations for people who've pledged to votetogeter and based on recent local polling data in some of the swing ridings across the country...
http://www.votetogether.ca/pages/recommendations/
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Strategic voting never works.
I endorse spoiled ballots since we do not have a 'none of the above' option. Voting is just the illusion of choice and change.
I will not vote con due to science cuts, their view on Cannabis , terrible trade deals and C-51 plus they are not progressive Conservatives but are the Republican Party of Canada. Plus harper was a former Liberal and Liberals can not be trusted.
I will not vote Liberal because they like their hands in the cookie jar to much. They always lie like getting rid of GST , revisiting NAFTA and have been promising decriminalisation/ re legalisation of cannabis since PET. The fed libs never liked the west any how. They will kiss Quebec's rear end as usual too if they get in. Remember Justin said 'BC has 6 Senators and Quebec has 24 and the power' and they no doubt will stack the Senate with their cronies. Do not forget too Justin stated he admires China's government. His dad was a closet commie. He did the commie world tour Cuba, USSR and China. Plus his dad fingered BC. The apple does not fall far from the tree. Plus he supports the Niqab and all these fake refugees coming to Canada. Plus the libs supported C-51 which would of passed regardless as Steve had a majority. Why vote lib when one can vote for Steve? The libs could of rid us of Steve with the coalition but refused and basically almost always voted with cons since.
I would of voted NDP probably if Layton was still alive but Tom destroyed all Jack worked for, moved the party to far right. Will only decriminalise weed which will do nothing but make drug dealers happy. Plus I was not impressed with Tom party shopping. He is a former Liberal and even checked out the con party. I bet he would of ran for Liberal leader if jack did not pass away. He is in over his head. He may of done better if he did not have the same twits helping him that Dix had, no wonder their support collapsed and if they did win they would be another Quebec first party government like the libs. Libs can not be trusted and Mulcair was one.
The Greens? Their platform is hilarious. They do not know what they are. Ms. may was Mulroney's aid, best buds with Dion. Seem to be the right wings farm team. After all they seem to be targeting hard the NDP ridings yet leaving most others alone (..and provincially the social credit/ BC not real Libs ran a full page ad for the Greens for 2013 BC election).
In my riding no Marxist, Rhino's or Independents running.
We also need fair voting in this country as now all votes are counted but only half actually count,
I predict with Greens splitting vote in parts of BC with NDP and allowing cons to come up the middle, same with the split in Quebec with Libs/NDP/BQ that will allow cons to sneak up middle, the gerry rigged ridings and new ridings i really can not see how Steve will lose.
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I guess you would vote for Donald Trump if he was running in Canada.
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Here's the latest in polling data to get through the mess that is our electoral system and make a decision. There has been a whole bunch of local polling done in the last few days in certain swing ridings to help voters decide...
https://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/#BC
ps. Burbot you make some interesting points on how much parties compromise their ideals to attract voters. This to me is the nature of politics especially in a country as diverse and large and complex as ours. My hope is for a minority government so that more compromise is brought into politics and we get people working together in Ottawa to create meaningful positive change rather than the business as usual cutthroat stuff.
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Now Harper's despair is getting more evident as he's courting the Ford brothers. The morals of an alley cat. Oooops, sorry alley cats, you have much higher moral standards.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-stephen-harper-rob-ford-1.3273204
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Hmmmm....so Harper is critical of Trudeau wanting to legalize marijuana, but is ok going to a rally hosted by Rob Ford, a former crack cocaine smoker and habitual liar about those same activities. Somehow contradicts his tough anti-drug stance. Nice to be consistent there, Mr. Harper.
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Hmmmm....so Harper is critical of Trudeau wanting to legalize marijuana, but is ok going to a rally hosted by Rob Ford, a former crack cocaine smoker and habitual liar about those same activities. Somehow contradicts his tough anti-drug stance. Nice to be consistent there, Mr. Harper.
Harper and the Conservatives are desperate. They'll say anything to get re-elected.
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In case you missed it:
https://youtu.be/Ei50lM6ab1c?list=RDEi50lM6ab1c
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HarperMan, it's time for you to go. We want you Gone, Gone, Gone.
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Coming in through Maple Ridge yesterday, I saw the Harper campaign bus. I was perplexed to see Stevie beside the driver- until I realized it was a cardboard cut out perched on the seat. :o The desperate attempts to cling to power are as hilarious as they are pathetic. I guess one of the Ford bros can become the next Godfather of the cons.
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http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//full-comment/kelly-mcparland-the-case-for-re-electing-stephen-harper
Some perspective for all the yelling and screaming.
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http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//full-comment/kelly-mcparland-the-case-for-re-electing-stephen-harper
Some perspective for all the yelling and screaming.
I think it is funny that all the national newspapers went out endorsing Harper even when most of their columnists and I believe much of the electorate know, he and the Conservatives need to go. Shows you who's interest the newspaper editorial boards represent (most of the papers in the country are owned by postmedia).
Also evident is the amount of 'yelling and screaming' by the younger demographic online, including me, which will hopefully bring out the vote.
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I think it is funny that all the national newspapers went out endorsing Harper even when most of their columnists and I believe much of the electorate know, he and the Conservatives need to go. Shows you who's interest the newspaper editorial boards represent (most of the papers in the country are owned by postmedia).
Also evident is the amount of 'yelling and screaming' by the younger demographic online, including me, which will hopefully bring out the vote.
As per the above check out these newspaper headlines...speaks volumes how desperate and sad our newspaper industry is.
http://imgur.com/7KjKsGZ
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I will be voting strategically to hopefully get rid of Harper and the Cons. I hope that all of you do the same. Even more so though, I hope that you all just VOTE!
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That was one red tide I don't mind. Mission accomplished. Now it's time to start holding feet to the fire to get some work done on to restore what was lost or legislated away.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei50lM6ab1c&feature=youtu.be&list=RDEi50lM6ab1c
Harperman we want you gone, gone, gone. People have spoken. He's history.
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That was one red tide I don't mind. Mission accomplished. Now it's time to start holding feet to the fire to get some work done on to restore what was lost or legislated away.
Nobody had a worse record than Harper,clean water act was stripped and the national parks act was watered down to allow all sorts of resource development .Good riddance !
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The Niqab issue killed Mulcair. Plus having the same dead beats running his campaign as Dix did not help. Both times NDP were leading in polls and managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory. I am done with the NDP, I wasted to much of my life hoping, helping, supporting now to have Mulcair destroy all that Jack built. I am too old now for them to ever be a force in my life time.
Hopefully the libs keep their promise and return the retirement age to 65, remove parts of C-51, electoral reform Plus re legalising Cannabis would be ok too But Justin supports TPP and did vote C-51 and with the history of Liberals not keeping their promises I won't hold my breathe too much but will give him a chance.
The funny thing too is Trudeau only did so well because of FPTP he received less popular votes than Steve did in 2011. Steve Received 39.6% and JT 39.5%. I know I know just .1% less in popular support but still less nevertheless.
The Greens are just a one person party. I thought they would of done better on the Island but nope. Even with a Liberal win known before polls closed still nyet other than Mays. I thought they would of won Victoria with the Liberal dropping out. Maybe they would of won it if Liberal stayed? I dunno...
What is going to happen to the Greens when May retires? Will they fade away for a while? At least May now will get a golden pension.
The Greens also went from 6.78 % in 2008 to 3.91% in 2011 to 3.40 % last night. May is not as popular as many think I guess other than her riding. Funny if we had pro rep they would of had 22 seats in 2008 but 0 in 2011 and 2015. Most PR uses 5% min for a seat. Would the greens get more support under pro rep with people knowing their votes would count?
There was a 68.9% voter turnout.
The cons? Well they will probably be in power again in a decade as Canadians do not like real change but tiny change it seems. It will depend who they have for leader and if the Reform faction and the PC faction split.
There is no leader that can save the NDP.
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The Niqab issue killed Mulcair. Plus having the same dead beats running his campaign as Dix did not help. Both times NDP were leading in polls and managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory. I am done with the NDP, I wasted to much of my life hoping, helping, supporting now to have Mulcair destroy all that Jack built. I am too old now for them to ever be a force in my life time.
Hopefully the libs keep their promise and return the retirement age to 65, remove parts of C-51, electoral reform Plus re legalising Cannabis would be ok too But Justin supports TPP and did vote C-51 and with the history of Liberals not keeping their promises I won't hold my breathe too much but will give him a chance.
The funny thing too is Trudeau only did so well because of FPTP he received less popular votes than Steve did in 2011. Steve Received 39.6% and JT 39.5%. I know I know just .1% less in popular support but still less nevertheless.
The Greens are just a one person party. I thought they would of done better on the Island but nope. Even with a Liberal win known before polls closed still nyet other than Mays. I thought they would of won Victoria with the Liberal dropping out. Maybe they would of won it if Liberal stayed? I dunno...
What is going to happen to the Greens when May retires? Will they fade away for a while? At least May now will get a golden pension.
The Greens also went from 6.78 % in 2008 to 3.91% in 2011 to 3.40 % last night. May is not as popular as many think I guess other than her riding. Funny if we had pro rep they would of had 22 seats in 2008 but 0 in 2011 and 2015. Most PR uses 5% min for a seat. Would the greens get more support under pro rep with people knowing their votes would count?
There was a 68.9% voter turnout.
The cons? Well they will probably be in power again in a decade as Canadians do not like real change but tiny change it seems. It will depend who they have for leader and if the Reform faction and the PC faction split.
There is no leader that can save the NDP.
Burbot you make some key points and I share a lot of your frustration about the NDP.
One thing to note about your popular vote stat is that yes Trudeau did not get much more in percentage than Harper got in 2011, but he actually did get many more votes because the voter turnout was quite a bit higher with people in my generation (millenials) and aboriginals coming out to vote.
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One thing to note about your popular vote stat is that yes Trudeau did not get much more in percentage than Harper got in 2011, but he actually did get many more votes because the voter turnout was quite a bit higher with people in my generation (millenials) and aboriginals coming out to vote.
Percentages don't work in your favour so you have to come up with another angle. What a joke.
Just like the liberals saying that they would like proportional representation, while they are in 3rd place. Don't count on any talk of that now. Then they would be in a minority position.
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Percentages don't work in your favour so you have to come up with another angle. What a joke.
Just like the liberals saying that they would like proportional representation, while they are in 3rd place. Don't count on any talk of that now. Then they would be in a minority position.
Oh I have no illusions that the Liberals are going to do half the things they promised.
And I'm not sure it's an 'angle' looking at the actual number of people who voted for a party and noting that it was much more than for another in a recent election but you can call it a joke if you want.
Harper got 5.8 million votes in 2011 and Trudeau got 6.9 million in this election. Amazing how voter turnout increases substantially when people are pissed off.