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chris gadsden

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3165 on: December 13, 2018, 06:43:53 PM »

Our work may be paying off I guess that is why the PAP has not posted for some time, except Dave.  :D :D

https://www.cheknews.ca/province-to-announce-changes-to-salmon-farms-in-the-broughton-archipelago-517042/?fbclid=IwAR2z08wbuJfC769pwoUBeIdKh2r1lK4b_vOUiZA6acCs-i5kmDOei3-ztDs

Dec. 13, 2018

Office of the Premier

MEDIA ADVISORY

VICTORIA - Media are invited for an update on Broughton-area government-to-government discussions.

Join Premier John Horgan; Lana Popham, B.C.'s Minister of Agriculture; Jonathan Wilkinson, federal Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Coast Guard; Indigenous leaders from Kwikwasut'inuxw Haxwa'mis, 'Namgis and Mamalilikulla First Nations; and aquaculture industry representatives; as they announce a historic decision regarding the future of salmon farming in the Broughton region.

Event Date: Friday, Dec. 14, 2018

Location:
Parliament Buildings
Legislative Library and Press Theatre
Victoria

Times (Pacific time):
9 a.m: Technical briefing in the Press Theatre
10 a.m.: Announcement in the Legislative Library
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3166 on: December 14, 2018, 10:33:12 AM »

If they can boot fish farms off their traditional territory

what do you think they can do to recreational fishermen on their traditional territory?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3167 on: December 14, 2018, 10:33:52 AM »

Fish farms in Broughton Archipelago to be phased out by 2023

https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/fish-farms-in-broughton-archipelago-to-be-phased-out-by-2023-1.23537659

...about time.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3168 on: December 14, 2018, 11:07:00 AM »

Fish farms in Broughton Archipelago to be phased out by 2023

https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/fish-farms-in-broughton-archipelago-to-be-phased-out-by-2023-1.23537659

...about time.

Not a science based removal, A traditional territory removal.

The writing was on the wall for farms in this area, Its a know area where smolts go missing (PSF confirmed), First nations don't want them there and they are in particularly high density in this area.

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« Reply #3169 on: December 14, 2018, 11:09:20 AM »

Statement from Minister Wilkinson on British Columbia recommendations for aquaculture in the Broughton Archipelago

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...e-in-the-broughton-archipelago-702789712.html
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3170 on: December 14, 2018, 11:12:01 AM »

If they can boot fish farms off their traditional territory

what do you think they can do to recreational fishermen on their traditional territory?

I have always echoed a similar sentiment to other industries.  When one supports shutting down of an industry under controversial science in the name of the precautionary principle this action empowers the same action to other industries ie, whale watching, sport fishing, etc., free of concrete evidence. Carful what you wish for because you are empowering as system which picks a choses as it pleases. 
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« Reply #3171 on: December 14, 2018, 11:14:52 AM »

I have always echoed a similar sentiment to other industries.  When one supports shutting down of an industry under controversial science in the name of the precautionary principle this action empowers the same action to other industries ie, whale watching, sport fishing, etc., free of concrete evidence. Carful what you wish for because you are empowering as system which picks a choses as it pleases.

Beautifully worded

Thank you
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« Reply #3172 on: December 14, 2018, 11:23:19 AM »

Statement from Minister Wilkinson on British Columbia recommendations for aquaculture in the Broughton Archipelago

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...e-in-the-broughton-archipelago-702789712.html

Link isn't working.
We pro farmers have always said this would be a FN decision, and imo it's a good one, as it seems to open the door for farms on pro FN territories.  Everyone wins and we can now be assured wild salmon will make a remarkable recovery ;D
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« Reply #3173 on: December 14, 2018, 11:32:19 AM »


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-fish-farms-broughton-archipelago-1.4946570


"Currently, there are up to 600 people working on fish farms in the Broughton area. Both companies said they don't expect major job losses, as they move production to other areas."
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« Reply #3174 on: December 14, 2018, 11:32:28 AM »

Link isn't working.
We pro farmers have always said this would be a FN decision, and imo it's a good one, as it seems to open the door for farms on pro FN territories.  Everyone wins and we can now be assured wild salmon will make a remarkable recovery ;D

VANCOUVER, Dec. 14, 2018 /CNW/ - Protecting ocean health is a priority to Canadians and the Government of Canada. We have a collective responsibility to ensure that fish and their habitat are protected for future generations, and we take this responsibility very seriously. This is why earlier this week, we announced the Government of Canada's approach to enhance the environmental sustainability of the aquaculture sector. This approach includes: a study on the alternative technologies for aquaculture, including land and sea-based closed containment technology, moving towards an area-based approach to aquaculture management, placing greater emphasis on the precautionary principle and creating a single comprehensive set of regulations, the General Aquaculture Regulations.

Today, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Canadian Coast, the Honourable Jonathan Wilkinson is issuing the following statement on the recommendations made today by a steering committee comprised of the Province of British Columbia, Namgis, Kwikwasutinuxw Haxwa'mis and Mamalilikulla First Nations, and the aquaculture industry that is focused on fish farming in the Broughton Archipelago:

"We commend the work the Province of British Columbia has done in collaboration with Indigenous partners and industry. The committee developed unanimous recommendations to ensure that aquaculture in BC is managed in a way that protects our oceans, our wild pacific salmon, and considers and engages Indigenous knowledge and concerns. We look forward to reviewing their recommendations regarding land tenures for existing aquaculture sites in the Broughton Archipelago and working with the Province of BC and other parties going forward.

The work of the steering committee was in large part inspired by concerns of potential impacts to wild salmon from farms located on wild salmon migration routes. The announcement I made earlier this week to put greater emphasis on the precautionary principle was inspired by similar concerns.

We will work with the Province of BC, Indigenous leaders, industry and environmental groups to address the steering committee's recommendations in a manner that is consistent with our new approach to aquaculture announced earlier this week.

Along with our partners, we will ensure aquaculture is managed in an environmentally responsible way, one that protects our oceans and wild salmon. Our efforts are fully consistent with the significant efforts and investments we are making to protect and restore wild Pacific salmon stocks. Such work includes the recently announced British Columbia Salmon Restoration and Innovation Fund."
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3175 on: December 14, 2018, 11:41:04 AM »

Link isn't working.
We pro farmers have always said this would be a FN decision, and imo it's a good one, as it seems to open the door for farms on pro FN territories.  Everyone wins and we can now be assured wild salmon will make a remarkable recovery ;D

If pink salmon in the Broughton Archipelago don't recover im gonna be pissed!

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3176 on: December 14, 2018, 11:59:24 AM »

If pink salmon in the Broughton Archipelago don't recover im gonna be pissed!

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3177 on: December 14, 2018, 12:15:58 PM »

The work is paying off lets see what Bob and SS say, very little when they and others thought they had the upper hand in this issue. Of course Dave will have some excuses or try and blame someone else.


BREAKING: 17 fish farms are to be removed from the Broughton Archipelago off the Northeast side of Vancouver Island; six in the short term, and the remaining 11 over the next five years.

This is a victory for wild salmon and all who treasure them. For the first time since this dirty industry washed over B.C.'s coast over 30 years ago, the tide is finally turning. We commend the hard work and leadership of Chief Chamberlin, Premier Horgan, and many others from the ‘Namgis, Kwikwasut’inuxw Haxwa’mis, and Mamalilikulla Nations, and the B.C. Government who made this happen. Now it is up to the feds to follow suit.

This victory would not have been possible without the fierce backing of Indigenous activists and leaders from the Broughton and all over B.C., and the tens of thousands of people from around this province who have stood up in defence of wild salmon.

Watershed Watch was honoured to provide science advice and technical support to the Broughton area Nations in their negotiations with the Province, and look forward to assisting further in the implementation of the joint panel's recommendations. This is only the beginning. Scores of farms are still spewing viruses and parasites onto to our wild salmon and we will not rest until our wild fish are safe.

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« Reply #3178 on: December 14, 2018, 12:25:40 PM »

The science is only controversial as there are differences of opinion. That's a normal part of science. Despite such differences governments can still determine policy. The need for constant large doses of anti-lice pesticides is a good enough reason to act.
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« Reply #3179 on: December 14, 2018, 12:26:09 PM »

Went to Morton's website to see if there was more information and saw this interesting other article.
For those asking how fish farms harm local salmon - disease, lice, pollution:

Federal Government invested in Marine Harvest,

protects company’s right to farm fish infected with virus killing Chinook salmon.

The Canadian Pension Plan is one of the top 10 investors in the Norwegian salmon farming company Marine Harvest*, as the federal Minister of Fisheries defends the right of this company to ignore Fishery laws of Canada.

In 2013, Marine Harvest and the Minister of Fisheries were sued to stop the transfer of farm salmon infected with piscine orthoreovirus, PRV, from a hatchery near Sayward, BC into marine net pens off Port Hardy. The case was won in 2015, with the court ruling that the Minister of Fisheries must screen all farm salmon for PRV, as a disease agent. As per section 56 of the Fishery General Regulations, fish infected with a “disease agent” are prohibited from transfer into Canadian waters.

However, the Minister refuses to acknowledge this decision (2015 FC 575) and was sued again by Alexandra Morton and the ‘Namgis First Nation of Alert Bay to stop the transfer of PRV into their territory. These cases were heard together in September, decision pending. Marine Harvest revealed that all but one of their hatcheries is PRV-positive and thus their company profits would be “severely” damaged if they were prohibited from farming with the PRV-infected fish.

This means that the Minister is defending Marine Harvest’s right to operate outside the laws of Canada, to protect the profitability of a company that the federal CPP profits from, even as DFO scientists report that the virus at issue is causing acute disease in Chinook salmon and half the Chinook salmon in BC are now in decline.

December 2017, scientists published on the spread of PRV to wild salmon exposed to salmon farms, and one month later, senior DFO scientists, reported that while PRV causes a transient heart wasting disease in Atlantic salmon, it triggers a more acute disease in Chinook salmon causing their red blood cells to rupture en masse resulting in organ failure. 

“It has been hard for the lawyers, scientists and environmentalist to understand why Fisheries Minister Jonathan Wilkinson is using our tax dollars to fight DFO science and the law when half of BC’s Chinook salmon are in decline,” says independent biologist Alexandra Morton, “learning that the federal government’s CPP is one of the biggest global investors in Marine Harvest, puts the Minister’s defense of this company in a new light.”
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