Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: nevertoolate on August 09, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
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Very disturbing experience the other day watching a guy across from me on the east bank of the cap snagging fish. Threw in his hooked line and then violently ripped it back until he got one. He caught two that way and then left. Anyone else see him? The image of it is still in my memory.
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Boo:(
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Very disturbing experience the other day watching a guy across from me on the east bank of the cap snagging fish. Threw in his hooked line and then violently ripped it back until he got one. He caught two that way and then left. Anyone else see him? The image of it is still in my memory.
Did you report the goof to the DFO? That's what I would've done.
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Best to let the DFO do their job.
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On the Native reserve land at the River mouth?
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Yes...saw a few of the FN guys doing the same thing back in mid July. They were pretty much the only ones landing fish that morning (at times not in the mouth)..most of us recreational people on our side of the bank weren't getting anything. I heard that although what they're doing is illegal, DFO just keeps a blind eye to it..the reason could be political but that's just speculation on my part.
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As others said, it is natives harvesting.
From what I have seen they avoid tangling with anglers on the west shore and don't toss their rigs at boats that wander into the mouth.
Just try to enjoy your day.
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Yeah, they have obviously done it for many years now. Funny enough it was because of them I caught my last coho at the cap. I was cursing my luck and getting pissed while they were dragging them out until suddenly one of the snaggers starts shouting at me "there there" and pointing at a piece of water he could not reach, so I turn around, cast and boom - fish on! :o 8)
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The Squamish Band members aren't "recreational fisherman" or "snaggers". They are harvesting salmon on their reserve lands because it is their constitutional right and they were doing it on the Cap for thousands of years before Capts Cook and Vancouver sailed into the harbour in the late 1700's and visited their huge palisaded village at the mouth. You can't expect them to use the same legal sport fishing techniques as you to harvest their fish because they aren't sport fishing. They can pretty much harvest their allotment any way they want (weirs, treble hooks, nets, traps) but if you don't like it, there are plenty of other places to fish other than next to their reserve.
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The Squamish Band members aren't "recreational fisherman" or "snaggers". They are harvesting salmon on their reserve lands because it is their constitutional right and they were doing it on the Cap for thousands of years before Capts Cook and Vancouver sailed into the harbour in the late 1700's and visited their huge palisaded village at the mouth. You can't expect them to use the same legal sport fishing techniques as you to harvest their fish because they aren't sport fishing. They can pretty much harvest their allotment any way they want (weirs, treble hooks, nets, traps) but if you don't like it, there are plenty of other places to fish other than next to their reserve.
I wonder how their fishing would be without sport fisherman money in the system ;)
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I wonder how their fishing would be without sport fisherman money in the system ;)
I doubt the Feds would have built such a nice hatchery as the Capilano or continued to fund it for all these decades if it wasn't for the drinking water dam destroying the salmon runs that the Squamish Band relied on in the '60s. Sporties don't have the political or judicial pull First Nations have, so we likely owe them for the hatchery-supported fishery.
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Fair.
I doubt the Feds would have built such a nice hatchery as the Capilano or continued to fund it for all these decades if it wasn't for the drinking water dam destroying the salmon runs that the Squamish Band relied on in the '60s. Sporties don't have the political or judicial pull First Nations have, so we likely owe them for the hatchery-supported fishery.
Fair point.
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Yeah, they have obviously done it for many years now. Funny enough it was because of them I caught my last coho at the cap. I was cursing my luck and getting pissed while they were dragging them out until suddenly one of the snaggers starts shouting at me "there there" and pointing at a piece of water he could not reach, so I turn around, cast and boom - fish on! :o 8)
Just goes to show there decent people there doing what they are in my opinion entitled to. Having worked in the park there I've chatted with them a few times, nice people from my experience. Let's not forget the destruction that the white people have done to this country compared to them.... We're the ones that truly don't deserve the right, lol.
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Wasn't aware the OP was talking about Native Land. I assumed the OP was talking about the upper portion of the river, and I would certainly notify the DFO if there were snaggers up there, but I wouldn't notify them if it was on the Native Land as the First Nations are really free to fish however which way they want (so they should be). Best to let them do what they want and instead, find another more peaceful spot to fish next time.
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If the O/P was discussing a snagger fishing on the Reserve then good for their success. They truly do need those fish and with the weather, and limited return they are having it hard enough. If it was anywhere else on the river the report it to the DFO immediatley. That being said, I think a few people need to brush up on their history
I doubt the Feds would have built such a nice hatchery as the Capilano or continued to fund it for all these decades if it wasn't for the drinking water dam destroying the salmon runs that the Squamish Band relied on in the '60s. Sporties don't have the political or judicial pull First Nations have, so we likely owe them for the hatchery-supported fishery.
First Nations did not even get the right to vote until 1960. Their political clout during the design and construction of many of the hatcheries in BC was minimal at best. Granted things have changed, and for the better in most circumstances, but not until the late 80's, with no real change until the 1990s. As for Natives not causing as much destruction as "white people," that is simple because they didn't have the resources or the ability. Take the current First Nation sockeye opening. The bands at the mouth are slaying them, but the Band I know around Fort Langley are getting very little. If you move further upstream the Bands are getting even less. There is no regard for others, or how many make it to spawn, just everyone taking as much as they can for themselves. Just like the "white people" mentioned in an earlier post, and pretty much every other group out there. It is human nature, and no one is above it.
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thanks for all the information. I was quite upset at the time but thanks to the postings here I know more about the situation. This is the advantage of a forum like this. So much information. And really very few places where you could find it. I didnt even know that about the west bank.
Today I also snagged a pink. Got it on the tail. Let it go. Obviously.
Anyway. Thanks guys.
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Good post Tylsie!...
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They truly do need those fish and with the weather, and limited return they are having it hard enough.
Definetly trying to not sound rasist (cmon lets not play that card at least this one time), and definitely agree with most of your statement regarding the historical aspect of this.
But I can't agree on that quote. "They truly need this fish". Like seriosly, my kids need to eat healthy diet too. And if you are talking "harvesting" and "sustaining their communities" then ask yourself what percentage of the bands annual profit is coming from fish sold on the side of the road. I can tell you that the list of the properties they own and lease is staggering- Park Royal Mall, several hi-rises on the seawall, several marinas and the list goes on and on. Do you really think they NEED those cohos so badly so they can get by? Like how many fish could you speculate they harvest and sell? Not that many I can assure you.
Again, not trying to bash on the Natives, I think they deserve what they have plus a lot more, as well as they deserve to have the right to make a proper living, and I cant mitigate the fact they were extermnated by our culture. All I'm trying to say is they don't rely on snagged hatchery cohos to maintain their living.
Just my two cents, hopefully I didn't hurt anyone's feelings
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I can understand your point and I have experienced frustration to see or hear of Coho being sold for cash or swapped for cigs. However, while Squamish is probably one of the wealthiest Nations around, that does not mean individual members are wealthy. Often far from it. Many nations are very divided along blood lines and those that are in or out of power and therefore those who have and have not.
The Bands as we perceive them (the federally supported and funded chief and council) generally only become involved in harvesting fish on a commercial basis. The Squamish Nation per say is unlikely to be involved in the cap harvest either by snagging or the tradition method of trapping fish in weirs. In some cases if there has been a commercial opening, some of the fish may be distributed to the membership, but not always. Therefore, what you and I are most likely seeing on the east side of the cap are individual members catching fish for themselves and in many cases for their extended family and elders and in some instances the less well off members are also making a little extra cash.
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Well on my way back from Kamloops today they werre selling salmon on the road side near Aggasiz, so food fishery my arse.
Maybe some should get jobs instead of playing the victim card endlessly.
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:)did you phone RAPP?
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Well on my way back from Kamloops today they werre selling salmon on the road side near Aggasiz, so food fishery my arse.
Maybe some should get jobs instead of playing the victim card endlessly.
Burbot whats wrong with selling fish? That's a job. If they have a small commercial business under the table business so what. The whole reason a lot of our fisheries still exist and haven't been completely annihilated is because of the pushback from the natives. No need for that racist crap on the forum.
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Burbot whats wrong with selling fish? That's a job. If they have a small commercial business under the table business so what. The whole reason a lot of our fisheries still exist and haven't been completely annihilated is because of the pushback from the natives. No need for that racist crap on the forum.
What's wrong? "under the table", meaning it is ILLEGAL. My dad spent years raising coho in Washington. He put millions of fish into a system that was almost annihilated. Should he have the right to go down and catch more than his allotment because he helped out the system? No, because that is illegal. If they aren't supposed to sell the fish, they aren't supposed to sell the fish. Period. Doesn't matter what race they are or what they did previously to help the system.
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No need for that racist crap on the forum.
I don't find that remark racist. There is not a mention of race in that remark.
Your remark, on the other hand, tells me you find yourself guilty and acting out of guilt isn't a good thing either. Get over it.