Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on October 24, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
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I have been told this week that users who tried to access the east side of Stave River from the bottom end of Hayward Street were turned away or warned that fines will be issued soon for those who do.
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I spoke to a Ruskin crescent resident this past week who informed me that the city has approached the residents there and has plans to put up more no parking signs. This is one of the few places to park on the west side of the river. The resident told me that he has no problem with fishermen parking there as long as they are keeping things clean. He thinks it is unfair for the city to take away the few remaining areas to park. He told me we as fishermen should spread the word of this and go to the city if need be.
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I spoke to a Ruskin crescent resident this past week who informed me that the city has approached the residents there and has plans to put up more no parking signs. This is one of the few places to park on the west side of the river. The resident told me that he has no problem with fishermen parking there as long as they are keeping things clean. He thinks it is unfair for the city to take away the few remaining areas to park. He told me we as fishermen should spread the word of this and go to the city if need be.
It's sounding more a like cash grab by the city rather than protecting pedestrian's safety. They couldn't find enough violators to tow so they enlarge the trap.
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Ruskin crescent on some weekends its a gong show, dozens of trucks parked on peoples yards narrow shoulders gardens etc.
Also in front of fire Hydrants, no parking signs and on the Narrow shoulder causing people to pass in the oncoming lane.
Plus garbage snagging leaving gutted fish, oh wait thats me....
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If I were a local resident, I would also be forwarding concerns on heavy traffic and littering in or near my front yard. This certainly can be addressed by one of the sportfishing representations in the Lower Mainland to the City of Mission, but ultimately it is up to individual anglers to practice some common sense and respect if we want to ensure access is not lost at any given stream.
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I stopped by the Stave for a quick look after fishing the Vedder and Chehalis and I really do not understand why anyone would want to fish there.
95% of the chums are all starting to rot and I still still people bagging them.
I don't think they are edible given the body conditions.
Got checked by CO when I was walking out.
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I have been told this week that users who tried to access the east side of Stave River from the bottom end of Hayward Street were turned away or warned that fines will be issued soon for those who do.
If you arent parking north of Keystone on Hayward, then what will you be ticketed for? Walking up Hayward to the gate at Ruskin?
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If you arent parking north of Keystone on Hayward, then what will you be ticketed for? Walking up Hayward to the gate at Ruskin?
The information that I received is that people are being turned away from the gate and told access is prohibited. Those who choose to go past the gate will be ticketed. I could be wrong as I have not fished there for many years, so others who frequently fish the area will need to find out what's going on.
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The information that I received is that people are being turned away from the gate and told access is prohibited. Those who choose to go past the gate will be ticketed. I could be wrong as I have not fished there for many years, so others who frequently fish the area will need to find out what's going on.
Ahh ok. I wasnt sure if you meant those trespassing on the Ruskin site, or those walking up Hayward. I figured if it was for walking up Hayward, then Id have something to complain about!
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I was up there the other day for the first time this year and there are signs up there in the fishing area that state that the area is off limits period. I didnt realize till I had been there about an hour though and it was packed with people.
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The residents have to put up with early mornings of fishermen making so much noise that it wakes them up. How would you like it if guys are slamming car doors laughing and talking way too loud for 5am. They don't realize that people sleep with their windows open and how far noise can travel. I call that total disrespect for the neighborhood.
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Been in the upper river once and I agree seems like a lot of fish that are lets just say past there prime. I watched some people putting some questionable fish in garbage bags which I thought my cat wouldn't even eat that.
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I was there the other day it was a slay fest for fish. Although I was in a boat lol
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The residents have to put up with early mornings of fishermen making so much noise that it wakes them up. How would you like it if guys are slamming car doors laughing and talking way too loud for 5am. They don't realize that people sleep with their windows open and how far noise can travel. I call that total disrespect for the neighborhood.
So shut the windows... In the 5 degree weather. I agree with you, if they were being disturbed that early with their windows shut. But if they open them, then they open their house to the world around them. We as fishermen, especially in the dark of night/early morning make noise for safety reasons. Out of 6 trips to the stave in the past 3 weeks, I had warnings of bears on 4 of them. One of them the bear was on Hayward. It is not disrespectful to make noise, and I dont believe its excessive when its some talking and laughing. Again, if the windows are closed and these people are disturbed, then I agree with you, its TOO loud. But I usually travel alone, and am pretty silent. So I dont really fall into this category (I did on one of the 6 outings) but even I think its ridiculous to say its our fault, since they left their windows open.
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People should know what they are getting into when they buy a house beside a river that is enhanced with hatchery fish or has a strong salmon run. They should expect fishermen will be on that river. It is like people should know that if they buy a house beside a baseball field that a few baseballs are going to end up on their lawn or through the window. If they buy a house underneath the flight path of passenger planes landing at the airport, then they should expect to hear planes fly by. If they don't like that, they shouldn't buy there. It goes with the territory.
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There are people living on all the rivers. Should we all just stop fishing to respect their neighbourhood?
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Not that many years ago they did not have the big chum run on that river so they did not have all the people there trying to catch those zombies wit the big teeth sticking out all akimbo. Now they have they have lots of people parking everywhere leaving garbage and what not. No differant than what happened on the west side of the Seymore river and others where the people who lived there just got fed up with the crap. Nearby Silverdale bar got closed down by the first nations because of the incredible amount of garbage left by people fishing and that used to be a great spot for bar fishing. Face it every place that gets abused by slob fishers are going to get shut down.
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This is sure a popular topic :o
Less rationalizing poor behavior and more respect for the neighborhoods, riverbanks and fish would be a better path to take if we want to continue enjoying this great resource and its access points, IMHO.
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Very interesting. I am a little surprised by some of the responses to local residents' concerns. Good luck with maintaining open access with that attitude in the next 6 years while construction takes place.
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They are bothered with the noise from a few fishermen wonder how they feel about the huge increase in jet boats.....
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Or, you know, the Hydro trucks that go blowing up Hayward. I dont think I could slam my car door loud enough to match the diesels.
Very interesting. I am a little surprised by some of the responses to local residents' concerns. Good luck with maintaining open access with that attitude in the next 6 years while construction takes place.
Yet a handful of noisy fisherman in the morning is the main concern vs the sounds of Construction...
Im in no way saying to not have some respect and decency, but people talking, is just the stupidest thing to whine about. As well, Im not sure how it will effect the fishing, but I heard the Hatchery is not gonna be stocking the river after next year.
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Very interesting. I am a little surprised by some of the responses to local residents' concerns. Good luck with maintaining open access with that attitude in the next 6 years while construction takes place.
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I'm surprised you're surprised that there will be fishermen on the river in the early mornings. :) If I buy a house on Oak St, I'm going to expect a lot of car traffic driving by my house during rush hour. Some honking will be heard once in a while. Of course if I bought expensive land on the waterfront, I too wouldn't want many strangers near my property. But can I honestly expect that to happen? Did people who bought property on the waterfront near that creek near Squamish really expect people to not fish along that beach? :)
To be honest, I don't fish the Stave in the early AM but is the noise problem really a problem or is it exaggerated because owners just don't like the idea of strangers near their land? Is it much different than that beach where “we recently experienced an invasion of people from outside the <unnamed> community to fish along our waterfront“ ... "for six weeks the community withstood this invasion of our property and civil rights” :)
Very interesting. I am a little surprised by some of the responses to local residents' concerns. Good luck with maintaining open access with that attitude in the next 6 years while construction takes place.
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Well, the thread started with the issue being noise complaints. I'm surprised you're surprised that there will be fishermen on the river in the early mornings. :) If I buy a house on Oak St, I'm going to expect a lot of car traffic driving by my house during rush hour. Some honking will be heard once in a while. Of course if I bought expensive land on the waterfront, I too wouldn't want many strangers near my property. But can I honestly expect that to happen? Did people who bought property on the waterfront near that creek near Squamish really expect people to not fish along that beach? :)
To be honest, I don't fish the Stave in the early AM but is the noise problem really a problem or is it exaggerated because owners just don't like the idea of strangers near their land? Is it much different than that beach where “we recently experienced an invasion of people from outside the <unnamed> community to fish along our waterfront“ ... "for six weeks the community withstood this invasion of our property and civil rights” :)
I fish it a lot. I do not touch it on weekends, so I cant comment on those days. On weekdays, at first light, you get about 5 people MAX. That means Sunrise is at 7:30, so we all usually show up at about 6:15. As I said earlier in this thread, I generally am alone, once I walked with a group of 4 and we talked the whole way, but no one was yelling or being obnoxious, we talked and laughed a bit. The loudest you will get is 3 cars shutting their doors at once before 7 AM. After 7 the people start to roll in frequently. Maybe they are loud? I have never heard anyone yelling on Hayward from the river. But you betcha I can hear every single vehicle that goes by doing a 80 or 90 klicks, and the turbo diesel trucks. I believe this whole issue is non existent and it is just people who have nothing better to do than complain. I very well could be wrong, and there may be some issues at hand, something I am just not seeing since I am there before loads of folks show up in numbers. I dont doubt that there could be an issue, but I just have not experienced anything, and with the exception of a few, most people fishing have been quite friendly, courteous of other anglers, and all around good sports.
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How come we don't hear residents complaining about noise at Lickman, Peach Road or Wilson Road on the Vedder ? :)
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Vedder has always been busy with fishermen.
Stave only started getting busy 5-7 years ago
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How come we don't hear residents complaining about noise at Lickman, Peach Road or Wilson Road on the Vedder ? :)
Because all those places you mention have dedicated parking areas away from the neighbours' windows.
The point is, if enough residents complain, the municipality will take the necessary measures to protect them.
It is the residents who pay property taxes, not the fishermen.
If I owned riverfront property and had to deal with loud and littering anglers on a regular basis, I would do everything in my power to prevent them from accessing the river near my home.
Vedder has always been busy with fishermen.
Stave only started getting busy 5-7 years ago
Not true. The Stave in chum season has been a gong show for as long as I have been fishing in BC - 14 years at least.
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Wait, the original post was about the east side of the river... Are we talking about that in regards to this disturbance topic? Becuase I dont know where you people are parking, but where I do, I am a half a kilometer from any residential property... If my car door shutting bothers someone a half a kilometer away, well I just dont know what to say. If you guys are talking about the WEST side of the river, then that is a whole different ball game, and I dont know that side of the river very well.
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I'm surprised you're surprised that there will be fishermen on the river in the early mornings. :)
That's not what I am surprised about.
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Wait, the original post was about the east side of the river... Are we talking about that in regards to this disturbance topic? Becuase I dont know where you people are parking, but where I do, I am a half a kilometer from any residential property... If my car door shutting bothers someone a half a kilometer away, well I just dont know what to say. If you guys are talking about the WEST side of the river, then that is a whole different ball game, and I dont know that side of the river very well.
On the west side, you can't park legally within 1/2 km of people of people houses either, so I find those people complaining about somebody that far a way a bit nonsensical.
There are a few people that do illegally park and they are quite a bit a closer to the fishing areas.
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That's not what I am surprised about.
My opinion is that fishermen's behaviors (collectively) are generally going to be consistent throughout each river whether it is Stave, Campbell River, Vedder, Capilano, Squamish, etc. People who litter in one system are the same people who litter in others. People who abuse resources in one system are the same people who do so in others. I don't believe that anglers are specifically targetting Stave River for bad behavior. That's why if I were to buy a house near a river, I do expect fishermen to be on it and expect the typical behavior that goes along with it (which are not all bad. they are diverse) and it goes without saying that rivers closer to urban areas or have good access will probably have more anglers on them. So it brings up the possibility that the motives of these complaints may be similar to those complaints brought up by those who bought property near the nice beaches in Howe Sound where there are anglers. I don't really see anything out of the ordinary at Stave. Its not like people are camping overnight, lighting campfires, getting drunk, partying, group singing around camp etc.
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I don't think that it is too much to ask that you try to be quiet while walking past peoples' residences. I don't buy the fear of bears rationale.
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I don't think that it is too much to ask that you try to be quiet while walking past peoples' residences. I don't buy the fear of bears rationale.
Big difference between fearing, and being aware and cautious. Especially when you have first hand reports of multiple people who have seen sows with cubs within a km of you.
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Typical attitude, I remember a couple of yeas ago going hiking up yo the Lions and having to deal with some irate home owners in Lions Bay who didn't think anyone should be able to park by the head of the trail.
....I bought this house next to a prison, but now I don't think the prison should be there ...I feel so threatened and victimized ;)
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I live on the west side of the stave river and as far as I know theres no complaints about noise as people get up at all hours of the morning to go to work the same as anywhere else.
To the best of my knowledge the original complaint was parking on the side of the street which local people use to walk as the white line is the only side of the street where you can walk safely. Vehicles including large dump trucks fly down 287' th until they get to the dam near the hill as most of you know this is not a very wide street.
Litter may be the other issue but it is rather small compared to the people who stop at night to dump everthing from appliances, matresses and complete bags of house hold garbage in the middile of the night. I'm sure this is not the anglers as this happens all year long but any amount of added litter adds to the problem.
The construction to upgrade the dam is what it is it affects everybody not just the anglers.
As for the stocking of Coho in the Stave I believe its still the same as the fisheries were there on Wednesday with pens holding fish. As far as I know they only stopped stocking chum but maybe Rod would be able to clarify this .
It's going to be a long six years I hope everyone can be patient until its completed.
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Yes fisheries netted the river on Wednesday, but I was told they would stop stocking it not next year, but the year after.
And if that is the only complaint you know of, then thats a few years old i believe.