Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fatso on March 17, 2019, 09:32:08 AM
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Gas is getting so expensive.
Thats a good thing right?
People will be more judicious in choosing to use their car as opposed to other non oil powered modes of transportation.
What do you think?
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They think electric vehicles are the next smartphone, computer, internet ect.. it took 20 years when thoes things first came out before everyone had one.
I'm almost certain my next vehicle will be an EV>
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If Tesla can successfully deliver a crossover SUV in the next couple of years then I am hopeful. We are already looking to replace one of our cars with a plug-in electric for in-town driving, but I need to see at least 250 miles range before I consider dumping gas altogether. Of course, how will we pull the boat? I could certainly go for an electric outboard on the boat - quieter and not so smelly.
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If Tesla can successfully deliver a crossover SUV in the next couple of years then I am hopeful. We are already looking to replace one of our cars with a plug-in electric for in-town driving, but I need to see at least 250 miles range before I consider dumping gas altogether. Of course, how will we pull the boat? I could certainly go for an electric outboard on the boat - quieter and not so smelly.
were getting close
https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/the-rivian-is-a-new-u-s-all-electric-pickup-with-sports-car-acceleration
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The Rivian! Thanks :)
Edited to add:
It may not work so well in the cold weather.
The range may be dimished if going over mountaious terrain and/ or carrying a load.
How do you recharge if you are in the middle of nowhere?
How long does it take to recharge?
I dont think this is really a viable option for me. :)
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I don't like high gas prices, and I do not like paying a carbon tax.
But I assume that some of the gas and carbon tax although it goes into, I assume general revenue some of that goes into road maintenance.
I however do object to the province paying people who purchase e-vehicles a rebate.
Does that mean that those of us who are using those gas guzzling fossil fuel vehicles are helping maintain the roads while e-vehicle users get a free ride?
Just my 2 cents.
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Hovering at $0.99 here in Winnipeg
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My Ford ecoboost doesn't fare well mileage-wise when it encounters poor terrain, hills, or loads either. My concern about electric vehicles is that many places in the world burn fossil fuels to generate electricity, including many places in the States, as well as parts of BC and other provinces, making the ecological argument pretty much null.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/5064180/gas-prices-rise-vancouver-spring/
Petroleum analysts say gas prices are set to rise once again Sunday to nearly $1.52 a litre for regular fuel, matching prices last seen in November.
The increase is being blamed on the annual switch to the more expensive summer blend of gasoline, along with spring maintenance on two of the four major refineries south of the border that serve the Pacific Northwest.
this regularly happens in the spring about this time or year. It also happens in late fall as there is a switch to 'winter' formula gasoline. Likewise there will be a rise in the summer as demand for auto gas increases with the summer tourist and driving season.
IMO this all sounds like 'a load'.
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$133.9 in Chilliwack the last few days.
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Price increase during spring break. Who would have thought ?
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i buy my gas in the US. save around $50 a tank.
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How can gas be $1.50 per litre here in Vancouver and 99 cents per litre in Winnipeg?!?!
We will be switching to electric cars here in Vancouver way before they will be in Winnipeg.
Maybe the federal government should make gas $2.50 per liter?
Then they could use that money to do so many smart things. :o
Just think of how much “greener” we would be! ;)
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This never happened in the 80's and 90's when I was growing up and started to drive. It wasnt till after 2000 the prices started to fluctuate 40 cents between seasons. The oil supply has increased between then and now. Just call it for what we all know it is. Its collusion between the oil industry and governments. Nobody stands to gain more than governments. Local, provincial and federal. All three levels of government gain the most from high oil prices. When taxes are more than 40% and there is ZERO investment on their end, it's a win win for them. That's the truth.
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There's too much money to be made from gas tax revenue. As electric vehicles become mainstream, we will be forced to pay tax through mobile pricing.
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Paid $174.9/ litre yesterday gassing up my boat with zero ethanol for my 115hp 2 stroke main motor.
That is a stinger.
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There's too much money to be made from gas tax revenue. As electric vehicles become mainstream, we will be forced to pay tax through mobile pricing.
Absolutely
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How can gas be $1.50 per litre here in Vancouver and 99 cents per litre in Winnipeg?!?!
Simple answer.
Pipelines heading east have greater capacity than those heading west.
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That, plus provincial and municipal taxes.
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Simple answer.
Pipelines heading east have greater capacity than those heading west.
the GVRD pays a substantial transit and other related local government taxes. Gas in the valley is typically 12 to 20 cents less than the GVRD. I also don't think Manitoba has a carbon tax.
Vancouver is very close to two major refineries in Washington and is tied into those markets. We pay based on US PNW markets, not Prairie markets.
Overall North American markets are very integrated and pay similar prices not counting taxes at the pump etc.
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the GVRD pays a substantial transit and other related local government taxes. Gas in the valley is typically 12 to 20 cents less than the GVRD. I also don't think Manitoba has a carbon tax.
Vancouver is very close to two major refineries in Washington and is tied into those markets. We pay based on US PNW markets, not Prairie markets.
Overall North American markets are very integrated and pay similar prices not counting taxes at the pump etc.
Technically speaking the gas prices in the valley should be minus the translink tax but that's rarely the case.
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Overall North American markets are very integrated and pay similar prices not counting taxes at the pump etc.
.... so except for taxes at the pump the prices are similar?
50 cents per litre goes to taxes at the pump. Wow!
If all we have to do is throw money at the problem, man made global warming should be history. ;D
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It hurts. Theres no doubt about that. The main thing I'm worried about is all the gas theft that occurred last time it was pushing $1.60 a liter. My buddy had his gas tank punched in and drained of fuel at the Stave Lake boat launch. All of this is the doing of the provincial government in my opinion. They have the power to lower the price but they've become so drunk with the tax revenue. Here we have the NDP who spearheaded the anti carbon tax protest during the Cambel days raising the carbon tax yet again. Just sayin
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Ideally, we need to get rid of our depenency on other sources by building our own refineries. Next best is to twin the pipeline. There's no way that increased shippkng via rail or road is safer or cheaper than pipelines.
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the GVRD Transit tax is currently 17.5 cents a litre. My experience is the price differential from Abbotsford (which seems to have the lowest prices on average) to the GVRD ranges from about 9 cents to 20. Local market forces seem to influence prices. Parts of the GVRD have a relative shortage of gas stations.
Total taxes including the carbon tax (about 7.78 cents) is 42 cents. Within the last 2 weeks gas in the GVRD could be had for less than $1.30/litre. BC also has insufficient refining capacity to meet it's own demands and we buy gas from refineries in Washington. When they reduce their production we pay more.
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expect gas to go up another 20% if the predictions I heard today on the Canadian dollar happen. One of the banks is predicting a $.62 CDN dollar so $1.80-$1.90 is possible this coming summer if it happens.
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the GVRD Transit tax is currently 17.5 cents a litre. My experience is the price differential from Abbotsford (which seems to have the lowest prices on average) to the GVRD ranges from about 9 cents to 20. Local market forces seem to influence prices. Parts of the GVRD have a relative shortage of gas stations.
Total taxes including the carbon tax (about 7.78 cents) is 42 cents. Within the last 2 weeks gas in the GVRD could be had for less than $1.30/litre. BC also has insufficient refining capacity to meet it's own demands and we buy gas from refineries in Washington. When they reduce their production we pay more.
Thanks for breaking it down for us simple minded people Ralph. You make it sound so simple. Never mind the fact that nothing has changed in terms of refining capacity for lowermainland gas in over 24 years. Gas prices were stable throughout the year before and after the closing of other two refineries that we had in Port Moody.This is what most people complain about. They are upset at the wild spikes of 20 cents a liter over night the 40 cent jumps right around warmer weather. Supply and demand ? I think not. The markets are flooded with oil. There is so much oil in North America we dont know what to do with it.
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astute readers with an attention span that exceeds a fraction of a second may recall that above, I called the usual explanations of the Oil Companies "a load';
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=42708.msg403876#msg403876
Of course others doubted that the Transit tax could explain the price differential between the Valley and the GVRD. It may not but it explains a chunk. Not unlike the closing of the oil refineries the major's have over the years greatly reduced the number of gas stations since supposedly there was 'too many' which obviously encouraged competition. Abbotsford also seems to have zoning laws that clusters stations (ie Whatcom road) which will also encourage some price competition...
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Gas in Burnaby today was $1.56 per litre.
Gas in Parksville is $1.32 per litre.
Thats 24 cents per litre difference and the gas has to be shipped to Van Isle, no?
I think its feeling cooler in Vancouver, so the high prices are obviously working.
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Gas in Burnaby today was $1.56 per litre.
Gas in Parksville is $1.32 per litre.
Thats 24 cents per litre difference and the gas has to be shipped to Van Isle, no?
I think its feeling cooler in Vancouver, so the high prices are obviously working.
Transit tax
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I saw gas in East Vancouver $1.58.9 per litre yesterday.
And thats for the cheapest gas. The stuff i use for my 4 stroke outboard is a way more expensive.
Wow! 😳
I think I will write the “powers that be” and the elected officials to complain...... 👀
Ok, that wont work..... what can we do besides switch to paddles? 👹
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I saw gas in East Vancouver $1.58.9 per litre yesterday.
And thats for the cheapest gas. The stuff i use for my 4 stroke outboard is a way more expensive.
Wow! 😳
I think I will write the “powers that be” and the elected officials to complain...... 👀
Ok, that wont work..... what can we do besides switch to paddles? 👹
Many other Pat's of the world they riot. In Vancouver we riot over a hockey game.
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At first I thought the high price of gas would discourage people from town to drive that far to Chilliwack to fish. Now I think the opposite is happening, that fishermen will likely go there to fill their tanks and fish as well. Just look at the gong show at lower river now. Lol.
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Just curious how high would gas have to go before it affects one's fishing plans. Even $2 may not affect my activities much but if it ever gets to the $3-5 range, I might have to seriously reconsider those road trips.
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Could you imagine $5 per litre gas?
Is that something like $20+ per gallon ???
That would definitely kill my road trips. I would stay put.
I would also just paddle my 16 foot runabout around and anchor it. 🤣
Who knows, we may just see those prices as the climate alarmists become convinced that man made global warming is real. 😜
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Just paid $1.46 in Mission. I honestly think that's the highest I've paid out here