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Title: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 19, 2012, 05:03:16 PM
Sooooo- How many are defending the Liberals now as they step from lawn chocolate to lawn chocolate?
(This is a big, fat I TOLD YOU SO )
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on November 19, 2012, 07:36:32 PM
I don't know any folks that are defending the Liberals.......   I know a lot of folks that are horrified of the likely hood of the socialists running this province for 4 years.....
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on November 19, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
Working on helping a friend to get the NDP nomination here in the Valley. ;D ;D

Back to my NDP roots that I should have not left. :-[
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on November 19, 2012, 09:59:22 PM
After a few months of NDP governing, I'm sure you'll come to your senses as to why you left the NDP.......   ;D
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 20, 2012, 07:07:25 AM
I don't know any folks that are defending the Liberals.......   I know a lot of folks that are horrified of the likely hood of the socialists running this province for 4 years.....

What's the alternative AF? I can't see another term for the Liberals as they're stinking like a month old chum on the river bank.Lurching from one scandal to another and all the baggage they've accumulated under Campbell and Clark won't sell to the public as the disgust mounts. Conservatives? I don't think so.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on November 20, 2012, 07:17:48 AM
What's the alternative AF? I can't see another term for the Liberals as they're stinking like a month old chum on the river bank.Lurching from one scandal to another and all the baggage they've accumulated under Campbell and Clark won't sell to the public as the disgust mounts. Conservatives? I don't think so.

What you may be smelling is the stench from the NDP's mismanagement of the economy when they were in power. Many of us will never get that smell out of our senses.....
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: DavidD on November 20, 2012, 07:24:04 AM
I'll vote for the party that offers a jar of vaseline as a token gift - cause either way - we're getting the shaft!  :(
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 20, 2012, 08:46:21 AM
What you may be smelling is the stench from the NDP's mismanagement of the economy when they were in power. Many of us will never get that smell out of our senses.....

Um, how much has the long term debt risen under the liberals? How much progress has been made on the child poverty issue? Why were Basi and Virk's legal bills paid? In fact, why no open policy on BC Rail? How about staffers working on the riskydix website on our dime? How about the gutting of Hydro? Fish farm expansion? The HST debacle? (I know you were in favour, but the majority disageed)
Million dollar salary for David Hahn who royally messed up the ferry system? A legislature that never sits? Convention center overruns? The fictional 800 million sea to sky road improvements that ran up to 2 billion? The 365 million BC Pace roof that cost another 208 million?

They were in surplus when they were elected.......C'mon AF- Really?
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 21, 2012, 10:08:54 AM
AF? AF? Is this thing on?
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 21, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
I'll vote for the party that offers a jar of vaseline as a token gift - cause either way - we're getting the shaft!  :(


LOL.

The last thing we need is NDP.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on November 21, 2012, 10:55:28 AM
Is there any point in me bringing up the history book on the BC NDP? I also lived in Ontario while Bob Rae - leader of the NDP was "running" the province into the ground.

Let's just agree that my long term memory is better than yours.....
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on November 21, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
I know they are wrong.

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2012/11/20/liberals-could-win-next-provincial-election
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 21, 2012, 12:49:38 PM
Is there any point in me bringing up the history book on the BC NDP? I also lived in Ontario while Bob Rae - leader of the NDP was "running" the province into the ground.

Let's just agree that my long term memory is better than yours.....
So BC should vote in the Libs, even with the proven track record of deceit, manipulation  and cronyism?
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: fyrslyer on November 21, 2012, 01:14:46 PM
If BC wants the economy to go downhill vote NDP, if they want a better economy keep the Libs in. They have made mistakes but like it or not they are downright the best choice for our economy.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: troutbreath on November 21, 2012, 01:18:39 PM
I thought foriegn temporary workers were the best thing for the economy.  ::) At least for some peoples economy.


Christie does miners.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Sandy on November 21, 2012, 01:28:51 PM
I thought foriegn temporary workers were the best thing for the economy.  ::) At least for some peoples economy.


Christie does miners.

best one so far  ;D
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Dennis.t on November 21, 2012, 02:07:15 PM
If BC wants the economy to go downhill vote NDP, if they want a better economy keep the Libs in. They have made mistakes but like it or not they are downright the best choice for our economy.
What economy? We dont have one. Lol. Thanks Liberals.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: fyrslyer on November 21, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
What economy? We dont have one. Lol. Thanks Liberals.


Watch what happens to the economy if NDP get in, things are rosy right now compared to what it could be.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 21, 2012, 03:59:03 PM
No Damn Potential
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Dennis.t on November 21, 2012, 05:54:38 PM
Like it or lump it! The NDP will win the next election. They cant do any worse then the Liberals have. The H.S.T was about as bad as it gets. Lol
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 21, 2012, 08:27:36 PM
Like it or lump it! The NDP will win the next election. They cant do any worse then the Liberals have. The H.S.T was about as bad as it gets. Lol


Oh yes they can. BC was once a have not province under NDP.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on November 21, 2012, 09:35:24 PM
Oh yes they can. BC was once a have not province under NDP.
A reminder, from last years Globe and Mail.

"Consider this: when the Liberals came into power in 2001, the provincial debt stood at $33.8-billion. In 2011, it was estimated to be $45.2-billion. And we know it is only going to keep growing between now and at least 2013, if not longer". :o

I rest my case.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 21, 2012, 09:38:58 PM
"The socialists are at the gate"

  WAC Bennett ;D
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 21, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
A reminder, from last years Globe and Mail.

"Consider this: when the Liberals came into power in 2001, the provincial debt stood at $33.8-billion. In 2011, it was estimated to be $45.2-billion. And we know it is only going to keep growing between now and at least 2013, if not longer". :o

I rest my case.

Chris,
during NDP the world economy was at it's peak (Bill Clinton era US prosperity)  and BC was a "have not" province.
Under Liberals, the world economy is down the tubes and BC is the top world economy.
But we can say the Glen Clark's NDP are not the same as Dix's NDP. There seems to be some improvement in NDP.
I'm not a Liberal supporter by any means but NDP was ousted major league because the couldn't manage the economy.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: absolon on November 21, 2012, 10:15:45 PM
Oh yes they can. BC was once a have not province under NDP.

BC has been a have not province more than once under the Liberals receiving equalization for 2001/2002 and 2003/2004 (a total of 259 million), 2005/2006 (759 million) and 2006/2007 (459 million).

This was accomplished during a period of strong global economic growth and at the same time as they were driving the provincial debt roughly 33% higher than what it was when they took office.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 21, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
BC has been a have not province more than once under the Liberals receiving equalization for 2001/2002 and 2003/2004 (a total of 259 million), 2005/2006 (759 million) and 2006/2007 (459 million).

This was accomplished during a period of strong global economic growth and at the same time as they were driving the provincial debt roughly 33% higher than what it was when they took office.

Yes it was hard to dig ourselves out of NDP trash.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: absolon on November 21, 2012, 10:27:16 PM
Give me a break.............
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 21, 2012, 10:42:32 PM
Give me a break.............

No break.

Also people need to remember 33 billion debt under NDP from 10 years ago vs 45 currently is the same thing.
Economy and population has grown.

Both NDP and Liberals are spending way too much money.
NDP promises nothing other than spending more money we don't have.
Governments should never, ever go into debt.
Ever.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: absolon on November 21, 2012, 11:11:16 PM
But services are cut way back, public assets have been transferred to the private sector for inadequate returns, tax burden has been transferred to the middle class, necessary infrastructure is crumbling and unnecessary infrastructure is flourishing....we've got nothing of real value to show for that increase in debt. Our economy isn't anywhere near the best in the world and our prospects are as poor as they have been in decades. Public trust in government has been destroyed and the current representatives of the party are incompetent and dishonest.

Trickle down  and supply side economics are fairy tales. There are times when it serves the economy and the residents of the province for government to use debt as a tool to manage and maintain the economy. The government needs to use borrowed money to support economic capacity in the economy during bad times and use the resulting increased revenues from the peak economic periods to pay down that debt rather than handing it out as tax breaks and royalty holidays to their supporters. It takes a particularly incompetent government to increase debt in the good times and require repetitive trips to the trough for further assistance to make ends meet.

We can't afford another Liberal term and we can't afford a proven incompetent leader like Clark at the helm.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 22, 2012, 12:13:29 AM

We can't afford another Liberal term and we can't afford a proven incompetent leader like Clark at the helm.

Not much of an alternative.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 25, 2012, 02:29:21 PM
But services are cut way back, public assets have been transferred to the private sector for inadequate returns, tax burden has been transferred to the middle class, necessary infrastructure is crumbling and unnecessary infrastructure is flourishing....we've got nothing of real value to show for that increase in debt. Our economy isn't anywhere near the best in the world and our prospects are as poor as they have been in decades. Public trust in government has been destroyed and the current representatives of the party are incompetent and dishonest.

Trickle down  and supply side economics are fairy tales. There are times when it serves the economy and the residents of the province for government to use debt as a tool to manage and maintain the economy. The government needs to use borrowed money to support economic capacity in the economy during bad times and use the resulting increased revenues from the peak economic periods to pay down that debt rather than handing it out as tax breaks and royalty holidays to their supporters. It takes a particularly incompetent government to increase debt in the good times and require repetitive trips to the trough for further assistance to make ends meet.

We can't afford another Liberal term and we can't afford a proven incompetent leader like Clark at the helm.

I suppose I agree with everything you said.
We just disagree on who should be given a chance to fix it.
 ;D

I also wouldn't put this down for NDP just yet.
There was a poll the other day on CKNW and liberals had major support over all other parties.
People still to remember NDP and are still scared to death.
I must say that Dix is not as bad as I would have expected him to be.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on November 25, 2012, 04:26:53 PM
I must say that Dix is not as bad as I would have expected him to be.


I think you probably mean he is smart enough to know that when you are leading in the polls you keep a low profile so that you don't turn voters off. Unfortunately we are going into an election where we have no idea what his agenda is....
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on November 25, 2012, 05:44:13 PM
Christy equals Peter Principle and back to CKNW in a few months.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: StillAqua on November 25, 2012, 06:40:18 PM
There comes a time in every political party's life when it gets too arrogant and stops listening to the people. Or it becomes too corrupt for the public to stomach anymore. Or it becomes too vested in special interests that it loses the perspective that it needs to govern for everyone, not just the people that voted for it or the rich folk that paid for their election. That's when the party needs to be kicked to the curb so it can purge and re-center itself. This time is just the Liberals time.....
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Dave on November 25, 2012, 07:00:19 PM
There comes a time in every political party's life when it gets too arrogant and stops listening to the people. Or it becomes too corrupt for the public to stomach anymore. Or it becomes too vested in special interests that it loses the perspective that it needs to govern for everyone, not just the people that voted for it or the rich folk that paid for their election. That's when the party needs to be kicked to the curb so it can purge and re-center itself. This time is just the Liberals time.....

Great post!!
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 25, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
Christy equals Peter Principle and back to CKNW in a few months.

If they take her back, I will stop listening to them.
 >:( >:(
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on November 25, 2012, 08:35:00 PM
If they take her back, I will stop listening to them.
 >:( >:(
CKNW your Liberal station except for Sindi Sara.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: troutbreath on November 25, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
CKNW
Christy Knows Nothing Worthwhile

I can't believe people listen to that drival. :-X
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 25, 2012, 09:43:19 PM
NW hasn't had any decent host since Jack Webster
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on November 25, 2012, 10:27:03 PM
Oh come on now,
CKNW is the most listened to radio station.
Christy Clark's show was not all that exciting.
But they do have good reporters.
Michael Smyth is a good one too.
Simi Sara is pretty mouthy and gutsy too.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 26, 2012, 06:27:14 AM
There comes a time in every political party's life when it gets too arrogant and stops listening to the people. Or it becomes too corrupt for the public to stomach anymore. Or it becomes too vested in special interests that it loses the perspective that it needs to govern for everyone, not just the people that voted for it or the rich folk that paid for their election. That's when the party needs to be kicked to the curb so it can purge and re-center itself. This time is just the Liberals time.....


Excellent post, steeped in common sense.As well, a lot of the Liberals "activities" and perks for the financial support needs some sunlight.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on November 28, 2012, 01:41:17 PM
Ooooooops! It appears our stalwart and prudent fiscal management at team Liberal is having another hit on that theory about a balanced budget next year.... ::)


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/11/28/bc-budget-deficit.html
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: troutbreath on November 28, 2012, 03:05:54 PM
The whole Rich Coleman / Pacific Western Brewery deal is another insight into fiscal missmanagement. PWB donates to the the Liberals and especialy Rich Coleman and we lose out 9 million in taxes. These guys have got to go. I remember the big stink about Glen Clark the pocket knife he got and the sun deck. That was front page news on all the yellow press. Now you only get CBC and some vague information about the scandel with PWB in the stinking yellow press.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Burbot on December 02, 2012, 10:55:53 PM
Quote
CKNW is the most listened to radio station.

Not for quite a while..
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on December 03, 2012, 08:25:03 AM
I suppose I agree with everything you said.
We just disagree on who should be given a chance to fix it.
 ;D

I also wouldn't put this down for NDP just yet.
There was a poll the other day on CKNW and liberals had major support over all other parties.
People still to remember NDP and are still scared to death.
I must say that Dix is not as bad as I would have expected him to be.

Here is a recent interview with Dix on Voice Of BC some may wish to hear.

http://vimeo.com/54608734
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on December 03, 2012, 09:09:57 AM
Adrian Dix walked into a branch of HSBC to cash a cheque. As he approached the cashier he said "Good morning , could you please cash this cheque for me"?

Cashier: "It would be my pleasure Sir. Could you please show me your ID?"

Dix : "Well I didn’t bring my ID with me as I didn't think there was any need to. I am Adrian Dix, leader of the BC NDP and future premier of this great province!!!"

Cashier: "I’m sorry, but with all the regulations, monitoring, of the banks because of impostors and forgers, etc. I must insist on proof of identity."

Dix : "Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am."

Cashier: "I am sorry sir but these are the bank rules and I must follow them."

Dix : "I need this cheque cashed."

Cashier: "Perhaps there’s another way: One day Tiger Woods came into the bank without ID. To prove he was Tiger Woods, he pulled out his putting iron and made a beautiful shot across the bank into a cup. With that shot we knew him to be Tiger Woods and cashed his cheque. Another time, Roger Federer came in without ID. He pulled out his tennis racquet and made a fabulous shot where the tennis ball landed in my cup. With that spectacular shot we cashed his cheque.

So what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you, the leader of the BC NDP?"

Dix stood there thinking and finally says: "Honestly, I can't think of a single thing I'm good at."

Cashier: "Will that be large or small bills, Mr Dix?"
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on December 03, 2012, 09:18:08 AM
Now that was funny  AF! Not ha ha funny, but like a piece of spoiled meat "funny".
The whole Rich Coleman / Pacific Western Brewery deal is another insight into fiscal missmanagement. PWB donates to the the Liberals and especialy Rich Coleman and we lose out 9 million in taxes. These guys have got to go. I remember the big stink about Glen Clark the pocket knife he got and the sun deck. That was front page news on all the yellow press. Now you only get CBC and some vague information about the scandel with PWB in the stinking yellow press.
That's the same kind of "funny".
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on December 03, 2012, 09:36:02 AM
Now that was funny  AF! Not ha ha funny, but like a piece of spoiled meat "funny".That's the same kind of "funny".

It's just a joke NB....... 

I'm sure Dix is likely good at "something"....    ;D
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on December 03, 2012, 09:52:38 AM
Sadly, there is little humour in watching a band of buffoons try to shake the last pennies out of the piggy bank to lavish on supporters with gifts from an already broke treasury. Now who will get to make up this shortfall.......




The whole Rich Coleman / Pacific Western Brewery deal is another insight into fiscal missmanagement. PWB donates to the the Liberals and especialy Rich Coleman and we lose out 9 million in taxes. These guys have got to go. I remember the big stink about Glen Clark the pocket knife he got and the sun deck. That was front page news on all the yellow press. Now you only get CBC and some vague information about the scandel with PWB in the stinking yellow press.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Easywater on December 03, 2012, 09:59:29 AM
The Liberals will be crushed.

Some are saying that they will get only something like 16 seats out of the possible 85.

Very similar to what happened in the 2006 Federal election.
Federal Liberals got ousted due their unfavourable view by the public - Quebec advertising scandal.

A general house-cleaning is due every couple of decades no matter who gets in as a result.

Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on December 03, 2012, 10:01:11 AM
Another lie exposed. Do you REALLY think these doinks deserve another term?


http://therealstory.ca/2012-11-29/bc-liberals/treating-bc-like-their-own-private-hedge-fund
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on December 03, 2012, 10:53:16 AM
Another lie exposed. Do you REALLY think these doinks deserve another term?


http://therealstory.ca/2012-11-29/bc-liberals/treating-bc-like-their-own-private-hedge-fund

Gotta love the creativity of choosing a website with the name "therealstory"..   ;D

But stay away from sites named "theunrealstory"
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on December 03, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
Gotta love the creativity of choosing a website with the name "therealstory"..   ;D

But stay away from sites named "theunrealstory"

Obviously NOT a Liberal sycophant .They're all too busy licking Liberal boots.Liars can figure , but figures don't lie
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on December 03, 2012, 12:02:36 PM
Premier Dipsy May keeps shooting her messengers- you can't make these jokes up, even with a deck full of jokers.

http://www.cknw.com/news/vancouver/story.aspx?ID=1832405
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: StillAqua on December 03, 2012, 12:26:12 PM
Christy Clark announced to the Liberal caucus meeting that things weren't going well for their reelection campaign. Campaign donations had gone south as supporters deserted the party. After hours of brainstorming behind closed doors, they came up with a brilliant idea. The Liberals would announce that anyone who contributed $50 to the party could also submit one wish they wanted granted if their name is drawn after the Liberals are reelected. They bought newpaper ads to trumpet this grant-a-wish idea.

George was reading the morning paper when he came across the Liberal announcement and got excited. An avid fisherman all his life, he had spent most of his adult years fighting to protect and preserve his favorite river from industrial development that would destroy the pristine river he loved. If there was a slim chance that a $50 donation could see his dream come true, he'd dig into his small retirement savings and take the chance. So along with his cheque, he included the wish that the river be designated as a protected heritage river for all time.

The grant-a-wish idea caught hold with voters and the Liberals quickly raised millions of dollars in campaign donations that they used to flood the media with ads. They won the election in a landslide. Even George, who'd never voted Liberal, voted for them on the small chance that his wish might come true. A few days after the election, George got a call from the Premier's office telling him that his name had been drawn and that he would see an announcement in the papers in a few weeks. George was overjoyed and every day he eagerly scanned the papers.

Then one day he saw a full page announcement that an open pit mine and a power project dam had just been approved by the government for his beloved river. Furious and betrayed, he jumped in his car, drove straight to the Premier's office and demanded to see the Premier. Christy greeted him in her office and George began to rant. She listened calmly and when George stopped for a breathe, she smiled and said "Stop George, you don't have to worry. I'll make it all right". She reached into her pocket and held out her hand to George. "Here's your $50 back".
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on December 04, 2012, 02:36:46 PM
Apparently they've hired some kitchen staff. Who knew a set of books could taste so good? ;D


http://www.cknw.com/news/vancouver/story.aspx?ID=1833525
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: adriaticum on December 05, 2012, 02:59:28 PM
LOL AF, good one.

Don't count the liberals out yet!
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: troutbreath on December 05, 2012, 04:03:42 PM
 Views: Will truth die on Deficit Hill?
 
By $curPaper.title
Published: December 04, 2012 10:00 AM
Updated: December 04, 2012 10:4810 AM

VICTORIA – Whatever happens in the provincial election five months from now, taxpayers should insist that it be the last spring vote.

Now I know this isn’t sexy like the horse race of popularity polls so loved by the TV news. But integrity of public financial information is the next vital step in democratic reform, even more important than scheduled election dates. And the B.C. tradition of tabling untested election budgets, shutting down the legislature and firing up the campaign buses, has to end.

The B.C. Liberals are on track to surpass the NDP on fudge-it budgets, having put millions into TV ads that insist the 2013 budget will struggle into the black. This is the hill Christy Clark has chosen to die on.Glen Clark set the modern bar with his 1996 election budget. After a run of red ink, it conjured a tidy little surplus that helped the NDP squeak out a win over the plaid-shirted Gordon Campbell.

Campbell’s noisy exit had its roots in his 2009 fudge-it budget, which clung to an outdated $500-million deficit forecast that had already melted down along with banks, auto makers and U.S. real estate. After the election, British Columbians found out we were really $2.8 billion in the red.

Not one to waste a good crisis, Campbell ordered the harmonized sales tax.

Now Premier Clark and Finance Minister Mike de Jong are proposing to balance the budget and shut down the HST money machine.

Clark gave a speech in Coquitlam the day before last week’s budget update, warning it “won’t be pretty.” And it’s not. In September the current-year deficit forecast jumped above $1 billion, largely due to a glut of natural gas. The latest update pushed it near $1.5 billion. Natural gas royalties are bumping along the bottom, no big change there. But now coal prices and shipments are down, and a slow real estate market has pinched the flow of cash from Bill Vander Zalm’s legacy, the property purchase tax.

I erred in a previous column, saying this year’s deficit is partly due to a staged repayment of federal HST transition money. Not so.
That entire $1.6 billion was booked in last year’s budget, pushing that deficit to a record $3 billion. This means the current $1.5 billion bleeder is based strictly on current revenues, debt servicing and spending.

So how is this sucking chest wound going to suddenly heal next spring? De Jong provided an early version of his answer in his September financial statement. Amazingly, it projects a recovery of more than $100 million in natural gas royalties next year. Hmmm. Liquefied natural gas exports to Asia are still years away, and the U.S., our only current energy export customer, is developing its own huge shale gas and shale oil reserves.

In another forecasted miracle, sales tax revenue is expected to dip by a mere $120 million as the old provincial sales tax returns next year. In 2014 it is projected to bounce right back to where it is today, around $6.1 billion.

That’s odd. When former finance minister Kevin Falcon announced the transition back to PST last May, he described annual revenue loss of about $500 million the first year, and more than $600 million the next.

Granted, business investment credits and HST rebates to the poor also end, saving the government a pile of cash as this significant tax reform dies.
But it still looks like another fudge-it budget, designed to help another premier avoid the political graveyard at the foot of Deficit Hill.

Tom Fletcher is legislative reporter and columnist for Black Press and BCLocalnews.com

 



Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on February 19, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
And another slab of fudge- sell off assets to balance the books. If I sell all my belongings..........
To the trash bin with these doofus's . The throne speech is presently in my garden. I should have a bumper crop with that pile of fertilizer.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on February 19, 2013, 09:17:54 PM
The article below states we are doubling B.C.'s provincial debt from $33.8 billion in 2001 to $66.3 billion by 2015. Does this look like good money management by the Liberals?

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2013/02/19/BC-Budget-Speech/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=190213

Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: alwaysfishn on February 19, 2013, 09:43:50 PM
If Dix get elected and implements half of what he is promising, the debt will be a whole lot higher than that in 2015.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: TacoChris on February 19, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
Political parties take too much credit for when time are good and all the blame for the bad. When in reality most of this is out of their control. The Liberals suck. But I can not blame them totally for our economy it is big world out there. Parties have an impact on the economy but it is not the main factor.  BC is largely resource based and does well if we are getting lots of income from natural gas, wood products and hydro power. Deficits are passed from one party to the next and it become their problem.

 I can blame them for their poor oversight of the civil service and crown corporations. The GST. The climate of secracy that surrounds much of their actions. What due they have to hide? Money wasted on advertising. Their phony balanced budget is planning to sell off more assets. What are they planning to sell now? I can see where few of us will be fishing if the feds and the BC Liberals keep on their path of privatizing, closing recreation areas,  reducing enforcement and exploitation of resources. Guess we can just bitch on the internet.

I will vote out any party that does a poor job.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on February 20, 2013, 05:54:35 AM
If Dix get elected and implements half of what he is promising, the debt will be a whole lot higher than that in 2015.

So the Liberals have doubled the provincial debt in 10 years, with most of our money going to friends and sycophants (look at Liberal donors and provincial largesse ) now they're selling the furniture to make a mortgage payment. How can it get any worse? I still retch with disgust thinking about Campbell and his trained seals wanting to cut an inner city school meal program while lavishing tax breaks on high income earners.

Do I trust the NDP? I've become so cynical with elected officials that I've learned not to trust any of them. Voting is like being a judge in a turd tasting contest.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: DavidD on February 20, 2013, 12:27:41 PM
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Voting is like being a judge in a turd tasting contest.

I second the motion....  ;)
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: norton on February 20, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
Vote NDP in the next election.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on February 20, 2013, 08:23:22 PM
Vote NDP in the next election.
Enough will, to send the Lib's to the side lines come May, you can take that to the bank. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on February 21, 2013, 04:48:41 PM
http://youtu.be/LzXyVfidI6E
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on March 01, 2013, 08:38:17 PM
I can't decide whether I feel disgust or pity. Maybe a combination of both.

If Dix get elected and implements half of what he is promising, the debt will be a whole lot higher than that in 2015.

So what's the alternatives AF? This group of Sad Sacks have lost any moral authority to govern, Cummins is ineligible for Village Idiot status, and there isn't enough independents running.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: norton on March 03, 2013, 10:00:33 PM
I think as preserving and enhancing our wild salmon the NDP is our only choice. In the 1990s under the NDP they did numerous salmon habitat projects in b.c. , with forest renewal money. I myself worked on at least 5 projects on the chilliwack river, including placing spawning gravel at the outlet of chilliwack lake, for steelhead, the construction of the centennial channel  which was built for all species of salmon , and steelhead, resident rainbows and Dolly's.. And numerous other spawning channels and rearing ponds in the upper chilliwack river.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Bassonator on March 04, 2013, 05:18:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0)
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on March 04, 2013, 09:28:11 AM
AF? AF? MIA :o
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on March 13, 2013, 11:50:47 AM
http://thecanadian.org/item/1976-premier-christy-clark-calculations-pipelines-fish-farms-site-c-dam-dont-add-up-rafe-mair
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on March 14, 2013, 02:12:26 PM
And the hits just keep on coming! (remember us and others being called buffoons last election Chris? Where are they now?)

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/03/14/MultiReport/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/02/08/polls-christy-clark-bc-liberals_n_2645291.html
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Bavarian Raven on March 14, 2013, 05:17:12 PM
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Vote NDP in the next election.

and sadly it wont make a difference  :'(
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on March 14, 2013, 05:44:32 PM
and sadly it wont make a difference  :'(
In the past I feel they have cared more about the environment.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: gilbey on March 14, 2013, 09:33:36 PM
and sadly it wont make a difference  :'(
And Happily it will make a huge difference.... ;D
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on March 15, 2013, 05:44:32 AM
In the past I feel they have cared more about the environment.

That and maybe some social conscience, instead of the miles of lies and entitlements.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: DavidD on March 15, 2013, 09:13:38 AM
Seems that the Liberals aren't the only party that like to stick their hands in the cookie jar....  >:(

http://www.mapleridgenews.com/news/198370151.html

I'm sure we'll be pleading to change parties again in 8-10 years.  Power Corrupts.

If Gregor Robertson ever runs for premier - there will be bikes lanes everywhere!!!!   :o
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on March 17, 2013, 08:10:34 AM
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/03/15/brian-hutchinson-b-c-plan-to-build-iconic-wooden-office-building-turns-into-ten-storey-scandal/
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Bavarian Raven on March 17, 2013, 05:21:21 PM
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And Happily it will make a huge difference....

Out of the pot and into the fire... :-\
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: chris gadsden on March 17, 2013, 08:37:25 PM
http://lailayuile.com/100-reasons-the-bc-liberals-must-go/
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on April 16, 2013, 07:48:46 AM
THERE THEY GO!!!! I wonder how this is going to end. :o Time for the mud slinging to begin! I' can rest assured there will be considerably less Liberal support as the self expose is less than flattering......
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Easywater on April 16, 2013, 09:59:57 AM
Interesting comments in the Province this morning: http://www.theprovince.com/business/Christy+Clark+just+stop+talking+about/8247824/story.html

Clark spent much of Monday talking about how passionate she is about eliminating the province's debt, and a promise of "a debt-free B.C." is even plastered on the side of her campaign bus.

The provincial debt was $45 billion when Clark took power, and is scheduled to rise to $69 billion in just three years.
That's more than a 50-per-cent increase on her watch.

Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Novabonker on May 07, 2013, 07:47:34 AM
http://lailayuile.com/100-reasons-the-bc-liberals-must-go/
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Bavarian Raven on May 15, 2013, 06:37:03 AM
Well the lesser of two evils won.  8) Cheers.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Fish Assassin on May 15, 2013, 09:16:02 AM
Like most British Columbians I am stunned by the results but I'm delighted. :) :) Adrian Dix was understandably devastated last night.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Dennis.t on May 15, 2013, 12:52:18 PM
Enbridge oil exucutives are dancing with joy.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: VAGAbond on May 15, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
Here come da pipelines.    We need salmon genetically engineered to be resistant to dilbit and that home on oil flavoured streams.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: Dave on May 15, 2013, 04:17:42 PM
Enbridge oil exucutives are dancing with joy.
As are the Kinder- Morgan folks.
Title: Re: The May Election
Post by: troutbreath on May 15, 2013, 05:22:01 PM
Only one way out of the fiscal mess that they created and it won't be pretty. Sell off BC (our childrens future as Christy likes to say) to the highest bidder.