Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on October 21, 2010, 07:43:12 PM
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Chilliwack River has been closed for chum salmon retention since October 15th.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=128553&ID=recreational
Fraser River closes for chum salmon retention tomorrow.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=128673&ID=recreational
Albion test catches continue to drop and the in-season run size estimate is now at 769k. Currently Stave, Nicomen Slough and Harrison River are opened for chum salmon retention. If run size estimate remains below 800k tomorrow, which is pretty likely, these tributaries will also close for chum salmon retention starting on Monday October 25th.
Chehalis River typically opens for chum salmon retention on November 1st. If run size estimate remains below 800k, it will remain closed for chum salmon retention.
These management measures are decided by 2010's salmon IFMP.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/MPLANS/plans10/salmon/SC-IFMP-2010.pdf
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That's too bad the numbers are so low. First the Sockeye, then the Chum, can we expect Coho Next Year and the Springs the Year after?
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Just a reminder that chum salmon retention closes for the Stave River, Harrison River and Nicomen Slough starting tomorrow.
Chehalis River will not open for chum salmon retention on November 1st.
Fraser River and Chilliwack River are already closed for chum salmon retention.
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Ironic isn't it we had the biggest sockeye run in 100 years and now the lowest chum run in recent memory ?
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"Albion test catches continue to drop and the in-season run size estimate is now at 769k."
Well thats a load of crap. Let's compare numbers to last couple years Albion test fishery.
For the last 30 days.
Chinook Test Fishery 2008- 2754 Chum
Chinook Test Fishery 2009- 2202 Chum
Chinook Test Fishery 2010- 2467 Chum
Numbers are up from last year where retention remained open.
Chum Test Fishery 2008- 4743 Chum
Chum Test Fishery 2009- 5122 Chum
Chum Test Fishery 2010- 5018 Chum
I was on the stave yesterday and couldnt keep them off in the lower end fishing bait and spoons. Big push of fresh ones move in just as they close it which I cant see the justification why. Conservation Officers are going to be busy on these systems tomorrow because it sounds like hardly anybody has heard of this closure out there today.
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does this mean no C&R of chum?
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does this mean no C&R of chum?
Nope
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Nope
If you read the regulations it says no fishing for chum on some rivers. Some you can but keep 0.
I'm pretty sure that means no C&R for the vedder.
Chum Oct 15 -Dec 31 No fishing for chum.
Other rivers may say different.
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If you read the regulations it says no fishing for chum on some rivers.
I'm pretty sure that means no C&R for the vedder.
Chum Oct 15 -Dec 31 No fishing for chum.
Good thing I fish for coho ;)
Other rivers may say different.
Thats what I meant. Your in coho waters as well so........
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Thats what I meant. Your in coho waters as well so........
But if you hook multiple chum and the officer feels you are fishing water holding chum he may write a ticket. There are many spots on the vedder that hold many more chum than other fish, but as well might hold coho at times.
It may be wise to avoid waters with lots of chum as the vedder seems to be specially regarded as it is the only one I know of that has no chum fishing stated and they very well might enforce that rule in areas.
The last time I fished the vedder there were lots of chum and it appears to be as many as last year. ???
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But if you hook multiple chum and the officer feels you are fishing water holding chum he may write a ticket. There are many spots on the vedder that hold many more chum than other fish, but as well might hold coho at times.
It may be wise to avoid waters with lots of chum as the vedder seems to be specially regarded as it is the only one I know of that has no chum fishing stated and they very well might enforce that rule in areas.
What a load of crap that is too. I love how people assume things.
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if you look at the Stave it reads
Stave River All waters
Chum
One hour after sunset,
Sunday, October 24-December 31, 2010
Zero (0) per day FN0941
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.htm
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What a load of crap that is too. I love how people assume things.
Please explain??? ???
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Please explain??? ???
"But if you hook multiple chum and the officer feels you are fishing water holding chum he may write a ticket."
Well its pretty obvious thats not going to happen a)no officer is going to stay there to watch one fisherman in specific b) the river is still open for Chinook and Coho retention and you can catch chums in the mix on any part of the river and c)You cant change up your baits to try and avoid catching chums because they will take everything that the open species will take.
"It may be wise to avoid waters with lots of chum as the vedder seems to be specially regarded as it is the only one I know of that has no chum fishing stated and they very well might enforce that rule in areas."
Do you have an inside tip that we don't? They stated in the fishery notice it is closed for retention until the end of the year, they arent going to make a special regulation to close areas of the Vedder to avoid chums because like I said above you can catch chums in any water on the river. It;s just common sense.
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May I know why chum retention is such a hot topic? They tase like my friend, even fresh. I'd take a Coho any day over a chum thats starting too rot in the ocean, before it makes it way upstream.
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does anyone really target the chum when there is coho present anyways?
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May I know why chum retention is such a hot topic? They tase like ***, even fresh. I'd take a Coho any day over a chum thats starting too rot in the ocean, before it makes it way upstream.
So you've tasted *** before.....
Hmm interesting.
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"But if you hook multiple chum and the officer feels you are fishing water holding chum he may write a ticket."
Well its pretty obvious thats not going to happen a)no officer is going to stay there to watch one fisherman in specific b) the river is still open for Chinook and Coho retention and you can catch chums in the mix on any part of the river and c)You cant change up your baits to try and avoid catching chums because they will take everything that the open species will take.
"It may be wise to avoid waters with lots of chum as the vedder seems to be specially regarded as it is the only one I know of that has no chum fishing stated and they very well might enforce that rule in areas."
Do you have an inside tip that we don't? They stated in the fishery notice it is closed for retention until the end of the year, they arent going to make a special regulation to close areas of the Vedder to avoid chums because like I said above you can catch chums in any water on the river. It;s just common sense.
Wrong!!!
It is closed to fishing. Try reading the regulations for a change. ::) Most all other rivers are closed to retention but not fishing. Seems odd the vedder gets the exception, but if you fish there often it is no surprise why this rule is in place.
For the most part you are fine but if you fish a slow pool/tail out loaded with spawning/pre-spawning chum the officer may decide that you are intentionally targeting chums. And there are spots that hold primary chum and it is impossible to avoid them. If you fish there you ARE fishing for chum amongst other species.
Or if the un-ehtical fishers are dragging chum in then it is pretty clear they are fishing for chum amongst other species.
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Alright super angler you tell everybody here how they are not going to connect with chums in the vedder.
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May I know why chum retention is such a hot topic? They tase like ***, even fresh. I'd take a Coho any day over a chum thats starting too rot in the ocean, before it makes it way upstream.
With it being closed I would not go out and specifically target them. That being said if they were open I would make a few trips just to try and target them as they put up one heck of a fight. Not really there to keep any as I can have coho instead.
How does *** taste anyways?
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I get a kick out of chum fishing before a day of Sturgeon.
not concerned with retention.
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Alright super angler you tell everybody here how they are not going to connect with chums in the vedder.
Ughh, If you fish a spot and get lots of chum and nothing else you are fishing for chum... pretty simple!
For the most part you get a mix of fish but there are spots that I know of that will produce many chum and it is impossible to not constantly hook into them. Some of these spots are good fishing until the chum show up and then it is a pain to keep from hooking them. the coho also seem to be less and less present in these spots too.
I'm just saying if you hook many chum in one spot and nothing else it might better to move on.
There is a reason they closed it VS closed to retention.
And to answer you question, me being the "super angler" (LOL) you move to another part that has considerably less chum. Pretty simple.... And worked the last time out ::)
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"Ughh, If you fish a spot and get lots of chum and nothing else you are fishing for chum... pretty simple!"
I don't fish those spots but sounds like you know the chum honey holes.
"I'm just saying if you hook many chum in one spot and nothing else it might better to move on."
Like I said, it's common sense.
"There is a reason they closed it VS closed to retention."
I guess your missing the point. Sure it can say closed but it is impossible to not avoid them.
Take the Fraser River for example, when Sockeye is closed and it says no fishing for Sockeye. People are still out their using methods that intercept Sockeye when Chinook is only open. You dont see officers handing out tickets to these individuals catching and releasing Sockeye. Im arguing your point of saying an officer may ticket you for catching and releasing Chums. It isnt going to happen!!!
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"Ughh, If you fish a spot and get lots of chum and nothing else you are fishing for chum... pretty simple!"
I don't fish those spots but sounds like you know the chum honey holes.
"I'm just saying if you hook many chum in one spot and nothing else it might better to move on."
Like I said, it's common sense.
"There is a reason they closed it VS closed to retention."
I guess your missing the point. Sure it can say closed but it is impossible to not avoid them.
Take the Fraser River for example, when Sockeye is closed and it says no fishing for Sockeye. People are still out their using methods that intercept Sockeye when Chinook is only open. You dont see officers handing out tickets to these individuals catching and releasing Sockeye. Im arguing your point of saying an officer may ticket you for catching and releasing Chums. It isnt going to happen!!!
I looked in the regulations and I don't see sockeye even listed. So they are not closed to C&R. Where are you getting your info from???
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127842&ID=recreational (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127842&ID=recreational)
From the Freshwater Salmon Supplement-
"EXPECT IN-SEASON CHANGES!
During the year, a number of important regulation changes may have to be made in specific waters. These management changes and additional openings and closures are indicated in red on this page. You can also click on Updates on the left bar to see Fishery Notices."
Maybe you should try reading the regulations for a change. ::)
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OK, so why did they close the vedder to fishing for chum instead of retention?
And what dose this mean???
And you are saying that if a species is closed to fishing it is ok to do so???
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"OK, so why did they close the vedder to fishing for chum instead of retention?"
Maybe tomorrow you should call the number provided on this fishery notice and get back to us if you are so concerned. In the Freshwater Salmon Supplement it says "No fishing for chum" in the fishery notice provided here http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=128553&ID=recreational (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=128553&ID=recreational) it just mentions the daily limit being reduced to zero.
"And what dose this mean???"
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"And you are saying that if a species is closed to fishing it is ok to do so???"
No, it is not alright. But on systems where other species are open and you are very likely going to encounter the closed ones it is unavoidable. Which makes it impossible to justify handing out a ticket.
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"OK, so why did they close the vedder to fishing for chum instead of retention?"
Maybe tomorrow you should call the number provided on this fishery notice and get back to us if you are so concerned. In the Freshwater Salmon Supplement it says "No fishing for chum" in the fishery notice provided here http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=128553&ID=recreational (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=128553&ID=recreational) it just mentions the daily limit being reduced to zero.
"And what dose this mean???"
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"And you are saying that if a species is closed to fishing it is ok to do so???"
No, it is not alright. But on systems where other species are open and you are very likely going to encounter the closed ones it is unavoidable. Which makes it impossible to justify handing out a ticket.
I dont think you will ever get through to him....... ::)
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Notices are in addition to the regulations. ::)
Notices are sometimes incorrect. But you should know that as you read them more then me.
If you constantly drag your gear threw a school of spawning chum then you are possibly breaking the rules.
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"Notices are sometimes incorrect. But you should know that as you read them more then me."
This is probably true.
I'm out.
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YA I won. ;D ;D ;D
Of course the above is a joke. ;)
Every year I see people rip spawning (not staging) salmon while fishing (usually foul hooking) and it is a sad sight. Clearly they are targeting chum, or in last years case pinks, that were far gone and spawning and should be left alone.
It is easy to accuse someone of fishing for a particular fish, especially when you can see them. I see this sight fishing go on all the time. It would be unfortunate if the chum have to go threw this this year if the numbers are in fact low. Enforcement would be good to see this year.
I'd think most people have little to worry about though. Most people are fishing for coho and springs, sure you will hook a chum now and then,duh. But some fish for chum.... But not this year according to MOE/DFO.
I still can't believe that some of you think that if it says no fishing for chum and you fish for chum you are not breaking the rules. ::)
Again, you know your intent...
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To have a better understanding on why these closures are taking place, here is a graphical comparison of historic average and this year's test fishing result.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/5114860479_8637f4d97c_b.jpg)