Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Salmon__Slayer on September 30, 2018, 12:37:16 AM
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Hello,
In hopes to avoid spending money on roe , I am hoping to learn how to float fish with wool for salmon. any tips on how I should present the wool.
Do I just slip the piece using a bait loop knot , or is there any tips and techniques that are favourable for salmon.
I am particularly targeting chum and coho salmon
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Try blending 2 or more colors, and trim it very small - like thumbnail to pinky nail size. You basically want the silhouette of a single egg. If it starts to develop a tail, trim it off. Coho will hit orange, hot pink, purple, and some swear they bite very pale almost white but I don't know if I believe it. Chum favor cerise, chartreuse, purple. I met an old timer who fishes the Vedder exclusively with Steelhead Orange wool and has caught many salmon and steelhead over the years.
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I saw some people bottom fishing salmon with a piece of wool. And they caught a lot
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Try blending 2 or more colors, and trim it very small - like thumbnail to pinky nail size. You basically want the silhouette of a single egg. If it starts to develop a tail, trim it off. Coho will hit orange, hot pink, purple, and some swear they bite very pale almost white but I don't know if I believe it. Chum favor cerise, chartreuse, purple. I met an old timer who fishes the Vedder exclusively with Steelhead Orange wool and has caught many salmon and steelhead over the years.
Thanks I am gonna use some peach wool for coho , as personally I think it’s the closest colour to a natural egg
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I saw some people bottom fishing salmon with a piece of wool. And they caught a lot
I am guessing the would most likely get into a lot of snags. The rivers I fish are to small to even think about bottom fishing.
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I am guessing the would most likely get into a lot of snags. The rivers I fish are to small to even think about bottom fishing.
Lots of pocket fisherman fish pink wool under a float
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Thanks I am gonna use some peach wool for coho , as personally I think it’s the closest colour to a natural egg
.......try adding a red or orange centre to the peach.....chartreuse when the water is coloured
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I am guessing the would most likely get into a lot of snags. The rivers I fish are to small to even think about bottom fishing.
bottom fishing is not bottom bouncing. There is no snag in bottom fishing at all.
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bottom fishing; do you mean like with a bar-rig and/or weight the sits right on the bottom?
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Please ignore the fact that liners/snaggers/bottom bouncers often put yarn on their hook to create the pretense that the fish they are snagging (hooked outside-in in the scissors) are actually eating the yarn.
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Fishing yarn is a legitimate and deadly way to catch steelhead and salmon. As others have mentioned, a multi-color, nicely trimmed yarn ball from the size of a thumbnail down to a 10mm Jensen egg emulates roe as it drifts through the water. I had a guide in Alaska who used 4 colors in each tiny yarn ball: orange, cerise, peach, chartreuse. His theory was that on any given day, the fish would key on one of the colors. The other three didn't matter: as long as the fish saw one that was attractive, it would eat.
As long as the visibility was 3' or more, he'd fish yarn in preference to any other method as it was effective, cheap and easily replaced.
There are three ways to fish yarn:
1. On a fly rod with a sinktip, and swung or cast 45 degrees upstream and dead drifted (high stick nymphing)
2. Under a float just as you'd fish a bead, using a spinning reel, baitcaster, centerpin, or a fly rod and indicator
3. Drift fished on a 24" (plus or minus) leader--NOT 4' or 6'--with either split shot, a slinky or pencil lead to allow it to be drift fished and swung.
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bottom fishing; do you mean like with a bar-rig and/or weight the sits right on the bottom?
Yes, the river flow is very slow. They sink the yarn to the bottom and wait. They simple use a small piece of yarn as bait. It is hard to believe until I saw a fish caught
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Yes, the river flow is very slow. They sink the yarn to the bottom and wait. They simple use a small piece of yarn as bait. It is hard to believe until I saw a fish caught
I am guessing this would work for pockets of water with a slow current. But wouldn’t the weight likely get stuck up on river rocks and such.
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Some guy was on here was selling roe flys made out of yarn a few yrs ago. Can't remember who? Said they worked better then roe.
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Some guy was on here was selling roe flys made out of yarn a few yrs ago. Can't remember who? Said they worked better then roe.
Everyday
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will tie my own for now , and if I have no luck will look into buying some then ;D
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Do I just slip the piece using a bait loop knot , or is there any tips and techniques that are favourable for salmon.
I'm interested in knowing others' techniques too, but as for me - I usually pre-make some wool eggs by putting three or four pieces of yarn together - then wrapping it with spider thread to get it all tightened up. Work your way down the wool by doing spider wire wraps about every 3/4 of an inch or so, then cut the middle between the spider thread. Fluff them up, trim down to desired size, and you are good to go. I usually thread the first one of the day down my leader with a needle and seat it right at the top of my hook before tying my leader to mainline, or you can put the hook through the middle of the egg (the spider thread part) and work it up the hook towards the loop. Depends where you want the egg sitting.
Best day of my life fishing was on these small chartreuse yarn balls. Couldn't keep the pinks off when many around me were not having much success.
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will tie my own for now , and if I have no luck will look into buying some then ;D
This video will show you in details how to make yarn ball. I learned how to make yarn ball from watching this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEwLp9zPpc
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Similar to the other video but a little different
https://youtu.be/UwbwGvAWBjE
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Do you think gold coloured swivels to attach the leader make any difference in fishing results
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Some guy was on here was selling roe flys made out of yarn a few yrs ago. Can't remember who? Said they worked better then roe.
They are made out of Rabbit fur, with single eggs attached under the fur. I often did very well for steelhead with them (especially in bait ban flows), but salmon seem to key in on scent rather than sight in my experience. They do work on salmon, but I'd choose roe over the "roe flies" if I had the choice for coho/chinook.
Going back onto topic of this thread... I rarely fish wool anymore for any fish. Back when I used to, I actually used to get a fair number of Chinook on a light teal blue colour. Black/red combo was my next fav for chinook. I've personally never done well for coho with wool. Some guys swear by peach wool, but a good majority of "those guys" I've talked to have been fishing 2 feet deeper than the depth of the run with a 5 foot leader, so I tend to believe they aren't actually biting it.
If you're wanting to go cheap, but effective, try out jigs and colorado blades. They work very well on coho (often times better than roe). Colorado blades you can use the trailing hook method to save on cost of swivels/split rings/open eye hooks. Jigs just buy a few beau mac or firststrikelure jigs. I like to stick with bright pinks with a hint of chartreuse (green). Once you've caught a few does on blades/jigs, you can cure your own roe!
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What is the most effective way of salmon fishing? I was drifting roe and the guy 5 meters above me had 4 bites in short period of time. It turned out he used a piece of yarn. The second day, He came late, After squeezed in the spot, he used the same piece of yarn caught a coho in second cast. Why the fish bite the piece of junk instead of real bait? The cured eggs is the similar color to his yarn color.
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Depends.... was he short floating the yarn ... or going deep and flossing 'em?
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Depends.... was he short floating the yarn ... or going deep and flossing 'em?
6' from float to weight and 2' leader. I have the same set up. and drift almost the same area. He likes to yank at the end of the drift. but I didn't think the fish were flossed.
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They are made out of Rabbit fur, with single eggs attached under the fur. I often did very well for steelhead with them (especially in bait ban flows), but salmon seem to key in on scent rather than sight in my experience. They do work on salmon, but I'd choose roe over the "roe flies" if I had the choice for coho/chinook.
Going back onto topic of this thread... I rarely fish wool anymore for any fish. Back when I used to, I actually used to get a fair number of Chinook on a light teal blue colour. Black/red combo was my next fav for chinook. I've personally never done well for coho with wool. Some guys swear by peach wool, but a good majority of "those guys" I've talked to have been fishing 2 feet deeper than the depth of the run with a 5 foot leader, so I tend to believe they aren't actually biting it.
If you're wanting to go cheap, but effective, try out jigs and colorado blades. They work very well on coho (often times better than roe). Colorado blades you can use the trailing hook method to save on cost of swivels/split rings/open eye hooks. Jigs just buy a few beau mac or firststrikelure jigs. I like to stick with bright pinks with a hint of chartreuse (green). Once you've caught a few does on blades/jigs, you can cure your own roe!
Everyday has told it as it is. Also ask the Master his thoughts on using just wool for salmon, maybe jigs spoons or blades but just wool, No.
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6' from float to weight and 2' leader. I have the same set up. and drift almost the same area. He likes to yank at the end of the drift. but I didn't think the fish were flossed.
Then those fish were flossed...I hate idiots who do that. All they do is spook fish that otherwise would bite.
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Then those fish were flossed...I hate idiots who do that. All they do is spook fish that otherwise would bite.
You too have it right. The sockeye activity has bred a new type, and I use the term loosely angler.
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Dont know why he was ripping at the end of the drift but using a tiny piece of wool after the first light bite when the pool has been hammered does really work. Lots of Cap locals just hammer after poachers have worked through using 2 ft of 6-8lb fluro and a dime size piece of peach or pink wool.
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I try to maintain 2 feet between the float and the swivel , and then 20 inches from the swivel to the hook
I recently tried bead fishing with no luck , I used a bobber stopper to peg a Cleardrift soft bead 2- 3 inches above the hook.
any other members have luck using beads for salmon ?
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I try to maintain 2 feet between the float and the swivel , and then 20 inches from the swivel to the hook
I recently tried bead fishing with no luck , I used a bobber stopper to peg a Cleardrift soft bead 2- 3 inches above the hook.
any other members have luck using beads for salmon ?
I saw an angler have some luck with them on the lower Vedder a couple weeks ago - that's all he was fishing whenever I saw him. He hooked both Springs and Coho with them. From what I have seen/read, you want your bead bouncing along the bottom as if it were an egg, so you need a longer leader than if fishing with wool or roe, but it is even more important to have a dead drift with your float and lead. I bought some beads a couple weeks ago, but I've yet to bust them out.
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I try to maintain 2 feet between the float and the swivel , and then 20 inches from the swivel to the hook
I recently tried bead fishing with no luck , I used a bobber stopper to peg a Cleardrift soft bead 2- 3 inches above the hook.
any other members have luck using beads for salmon ?
Why you maintain 2 feet between the float and the swivel? you need adjust the depth depends on the water and maintain your presentation close to the bottom not more than two feet.
I think bait is the best choice for salmon on average. Fished Vedder 3 times this season. Two trips in vain with a fly rod. third trip switched to roe drifting, easily picked 2 coho one spring.
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Why you maintain 2 feet between the float and the swivel? you need adjust the depth depends on the water and maintain your presentation close to the bottom not more than two feet.
I think bait is the best choice for salmon on average. Fished Vedder 3 times this season. Two trips in vain with a fly rod. third trip switched to roe drifting, easily picked 2 coho one spring.
I also have had no luck with the fly rod at the Vedder ... but did get a couple of Coho and a Spring that were holding in a pool at the Cap on tiny cali neils and olive/natural muddlers
As far as wool goes, it's been my experience that Springs are def easier to get a bite from than Coho.
I have yet to get a Coho on a bead ... but Springs do hit beads
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I have had really good luck with a 12mm Peach coloured mottled bead with a red dot..they absolutely hammer 'em!
As far as depth I do the same with wool or beads . I'll float the wool/bead down at about 1/2 the depth of the run ...So, in an 8-10ft deep hole I will float the wool/bead down about 4-5ft ...
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FWIW...
I'm gonna start adding just a little white or peach wool to my bead presentation to see if I can get a Coho to go for it, as I do get them on wool... maybe that little bit of fuzzy look is why I can get 'em on wool alone?
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I saw an angler have some luck with them on the lower Vedder a couple weeks ago - that's all he was fishing whenever I saw him. He hooked both Springs and Coho with them. From what I have seen/read, you want your bead bouncing along the bottom as if it were an egg, so you need a longer leader than if fishing with wool or roe, but it is even more important to have a dead drift with your float and lead. I bought some beads a couple weeks ago, but I've yet to bust them out.
I will try that out next time I fish , but im worried I might run into snags and such.
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After about an hour of trying different wool combos yesterday I came up with a blood red and orange toughed up together , trimmed up to about a 1/4 inch maybe smaller . First cast , float goes down coho on . Lost the fish as it rolled over a boulder . Same thing on the next cast . This time the coho snapped the leader , must have been frayed line . Re ty , cast bang ! a nice shinny spring . That fish headed south with no return , SNAP ! off it goes . Sat down to re&re the wool tie and I guess I was being observed from behind cause 4 guys decided to jump down and move in to the 25 foot slick I was working on . Packed up and left .
So at the end of the early day I was satisfied my wool combo that worked for me . Probably be different the next time . But that's the fun of it for me , trying to get them to bight on your own creation ha . I had roe but forgot it .
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After about an hour of trying different wool combos yesterday I came up with a blood red and orange toughed up together , trimmed up to about a 1/4 inch maybe smaller . First cast , float goes down coho on . Lost the fish as it rolled over a boulder . Same thing on the next cast . This time the coho snapped the leader , must have been frayed line . Re ty , cast bang ! a nice shinny spring . That fish headed south with no return , SNAP ! off it goes . Sat down to re&re the wool tie and I guess I was being observed from behind cause 4 guys decided to jump down and move in to the 25 foot slick I was working on . Packed up and left .
So at the end of the early day I was satisfied my wool combo that worked for me . Probably be different the next time . But that's the fun of it for me , trying to get them to bight on your own creation ha . I had roe but forgot it .
1/4 inch size is a single bead size. If the wool work, single bead will work too